Matt Hancock

[HunterST_BFC]

This guy is an idiot.
Why do people believe anything he says?

[Quickenthetempo]

He's a liability.

[Blackrod]

Don’t agree.

[tim_noone]

I preffered Tony...

[TheOriginalLongsider]

Clearly not an idiot

[IanMcL]

I preffered Tony...

He was only good for 30 mins a time though!

[tim_noone]

He was only good for 30 mins a time though!

But....at least he was Good.

[IanMcL]

One little sentence he slipped in,which should send a shiver down the spine of every front line worker.

'Checks are being done, to see whether they caught the virus on duty or elsewhere'.

These are the hospital staff who have died,whilst helping others and for some time,without protection. If deemed, 'on duty', the family get death on duty benefits. If 'deemed' elsewhere....nothing.

THAT IS THE MOST CALLOUS STATEMENT MADE DURING THIS ENTIRE PANDEMIC.

You can imagine the NHS Trusts all scurrying about to limit damage and payouts. High profile folk, get benefits, every day staff, 'deemed'elewhere and get nothing.

Not in my name thanks.

[FactualFrank]

I'll go for 5 pages.

[Aclaret]

I'm going for cut short at 3,but depending who posts, could be 2.

[taio]

One little sentence he slipped in,which should send a shiver down the spine of every front line worker.

'Checks are being done, to see whether they caught the virus on duty or elsewhere'.

These are the hospital staff who have died,whilst helping others and for some time,without protection. If deemed, 'on duty', the family get death on duty benefits. If 'deemed' elsewhere....nothing.

THAT IS THE MOST CALLOUS STATEMENT MADE DURING THIS ENTIRE PANDEMIC.

You can imagine the NHS Trusts all scurrying about to limit damage and payouts. High profile folk, get benefits, every day staff, 'deemed'elewhere and get nothing.

Not in my name thanks.

If a NHS pension member dies a nominated person will receive a lump sum death grant equivalent to two years' salary irrespective and when and why they died.

[arise_sir_charge]

One little sentence he slipped in,which should send a shiver down the spine of every front line worker.

'Checks are being done, to see whether they caught the virus on duty or elsewhere'.

These are the hospital staff who have died,whilst helping others and for some time,without protection. If deemed, 'on duty', the family get death on duty benefits. If 'deemed' elsewhere....nothing.

THAT IS THE MOST CALLOUS STATEMENT MADE DURING THIS ENTIRE PANDEMIC.

You can imagine the NHS Trusts all scurrying about to limit damage and payouts. High profile folk, get benefits, every day staff, 'deemed'elewhere and get nothing.

Not in my name thanks.

Disgusting comment with absolutely no basis.

Death in service does not mean you had to be working when you died, just that you were in employment.

Ridiculous comments like this are a major problem. So much misinformation being passed off as fact.

[taio]

Disgusting comment with absolutely no basis.

Death in service does not mean you had to be working when you died, just that you were in employment.

Ridiculous comments like this are a major problem. So much misinformation being passed off as fact.

Agree completely. So much bullshite being passed off as factual information.

[bfcjg]

The guy is doing a decent job in the midst of a world crisis where every nation is facing some sort of criticism about doing more buying more spending more testing more etc. If anyone has to be criticised it stems from the years of austerity caused by the financial crash which also affected all nations some more then others.

[evensteadiereddie]

Yup, it's not as though we had over ten years to put it right.................

[RingoMcCartney]

From Fullfact, the independent charity website

"The £20.5 billion NHS England spending increase is the largest five year increase since the mid-2000s"

26th Nov 2019

Claim

The NHS is getting an extra £34 billion, that’s the biggest increase in modern memory.

Conclusion

The £34 billion is a spending increase in real terms of £20.5 billion between 2018/19 and 2023/24. The last time spending increased by at least that amount was between 2004/05 and 2009/10.

https://fullfact.org/election-2019/nhs- ... est-boost/

[RingoMcCartney]

The title of this thread , and several others for that matter, should be renamed-

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"










((if people were being honest)

[Devils_Advocate]

With the issues our frontline NHS staff have been and are facing around PPE and all the other risks and stresses they face does anyone think this was anywhere near a useful and appropriate comment from our Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

“We need everyone to treat PPE like the precious resource it is” “Everyone should use the equipment they clinically need, in line with the guidelines: no more and no less.”

Thank god someone has let the nurses and doctors know about this

[evensteadiereddie]

And those sums have put us exactly in the position we were in 2010. The NHS has been ripped off since then and now an illusion has been created that all this investment is going to create a cutting-edge service. It's not, it's merely there to desperately prop up, as we've seen over the last few weeks, a service deliberately so run down its damn near on its arse.

[evensteadiereddie]

The title of this thread , and several others for that matter, should be renamed-

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"



Or, "Please don't hold the government to account for its decade of NHS policy failure. It's not fair."









((if people were being honest)

[Erasmus]

The NHS has received additional funding but it hasn't received enough and hence despite the increases it has been underfunded and run down. Some of the problems being faced now are a result of that policy.

Austerity wasn't caused by the 2008 crash, it was caused by a deliberate government policy formulated as a response to that crash. Some of shortfall in public finances could have been made up by increases in taxation but the government took the decision that this should be done through cuts to public services. Hence the burden fell on the poorest sections of society who depend more on public services rather than rich who derive the most benefit from low taxation. For this reason we had the abomination of six weeks starvation for people on Universal Credit.

I have also been told that, amongst others, Boris Johnson voted against greater increases for nurses' pay. Perhaps after all he has said recently he has now changed his mind.

[yosserhughes]

The loons will be on this one I'm going for 10 pages.

[taio]

With the issues our frontline NHS staff have been and are facing around PPE and all the other risks and stresses they face does anyone think this was anywhere near a useful and appropriate comment from our Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

“We need everyone to treat PPE like the precious resource it is” “Everyone should use the equipment they clinically need, in line with the guidelines: no more and no less.”

Thank god someone has let the nurses and doctors know about this

Yes it is useful and appropriate. I can tell you first hand some health and care organisations and workers are using PPE when it's not necessary. I understand why - because they are worried - but it's an important message given supply or lack of is a major issue.

[RingoMcCartney]

Its clear Eddie that you want to look at the decade since the tories took office.

That's great! I'll just remind you of what happened when the coalition government took over the shambles left by the Gordon Brown Labour government-

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. 

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said:


'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' Liam Byrne, his Labour predecessor

[NewClaret]

One little sentence he slipped in,which should send a shiver down the spine of every front line worker.

'Checks are being done, to see whether they caught the virus on duty or elsewhere'.

These are the hospital staff who have died,whilst helping others and for some time,without protection. If deemed, 'on duty', the family get death on duty benefits. If 'deemed' elsewhere....nothing.

THAT IS THE MOST CALLOUS STATEMENT MADE DURING THIS ENTIRE PANDEMIC.

You can imagine the NHS Trusts all scurrying about to limit damage and payouts. High profile folk, get benefits, every day staff, 'deemed'elewhere and get nothing.

Not in my name thanks.

I’m pretty sure I’m right in saying “death in service” benefits are paid regardless. If they contracted the virus in service and they didn’t have the adequate protections, their families will sue the NHS for negligence, hence why it’s necessary to identify where it was contracted.

[bfcjg]

Do we all not share some guilt by insisting we don't want to pay higher taxes and voting accordingly ?

[Tricky Trevor]

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"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said:
'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' Liam Byrne, his Labour predecessor

An obvious joke that blue noses gobbled up for propoganda. Including you it appears.

[arise_sir_charge]

I’m pretty sure I’m right in saying “death in service” benefits are paid regardless. If they contracted the virus in service and they didn’t have the adequate protections, their families will sue the NHS for negligence, hence why it’s necessary to identify where it was contracted.

I suspect it’s nothing to do with PPE etc and negligence and that he was merely pointing out that we need to establish where these people contracted the virus.

Why do people look for hidden meaning in what is said?

[RingoMcCartney]

That's my input on this thread. Its inevitably going to turn into another festival of "Never going to be good enoughary"

I've got my fully synthetic 5 30s oil, oil and air filter, the kettles just boiled, the suns shining. A nice relaxing service of my motor is a far more attractive proposition than getting tangled up with wearisome sniping by the merry band of left wing moaners. A therapeutic day beckons.

Remember the golden rule!

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"

Keep well and stay safe one and all.

[RingoMcCartney]

An obvious joke that blue noses gobbled up for propoganda. Including you it appears.

Bloody 'ell here come the reality deniers!

Where's me radio!? I'm off!

[Devils_Advocate]

Yes it is useful and appropriate. I can tell you first hand some health and care organisations and workers are using PPE when it's not necessary. I understand why - because they are worried - but it's an important message given supply or lack of is a major issue.

Knew they'd be at least one and Im sure you think the kick in the teeth that a lot of NHS staff feel around this statement is worth it.

Keep up the good work you are doing a sterling job

[Hapag Lloyd]

An obvious joke that blue noses gobbled up for propoganda. Including you it appears.

Maybe it was a joke but there was an element of truth in it.

[NewClaret]

Its clear Eddie that you want to look at the decade since the tories took office.

That's great! I'll just remind you of what happened when the coalition government took over the shambles left by the Gordon Brown Labour government-

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. 

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said:


'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' Liam Byrne, his Labour predecessor

Big mistake writing that letter. Expect he never anticipated it would become public. In just a few words, documented Labours fiscal profligacy and undermined their credentials to govern the country again.

[taio]

Knew they'd be at least one and Im sure you think the kick in the teeth that a lot of NHS staff feel around this statement is worth it.

Keep up the good work you are doing a sterling job

It's exactly the same message NHS Trusts and local authorities are giving out up and down the country. So there's far more than one.

Too many people commenting on things they know little about.

[Devils_Advocate]

It's exactly the same message NHS Trusts and local authorities are giving out up and down the country. So there's far more than one.

Too many people commenting on things they know little about.

So you agree there's enough PPE to go around at the moment and we dont have a shortage or gaps?

[taio]

So you agree there's enough PPE to go around at the moment and we dont have a shortage or gaps?

No I don't agree. Which is why it's important PPE is used in accordance with the guidance so supplies don't become even more stretched.

[CombatClaret]

Maybe it was a joke but there was an element of truth in it.

Well in the fact that the UK and the world operates on national debt, so there's no money left anywhere.

[TheFamilyCat]

Its clear Eddie that you want to look at the decade since the tories took office.

That's great! I'll just remind you of what happened when the coalition government took over the shambles left by the Gordon Brown Labour government-

It is a convention for outgoing ministers to leave a note for their successors with advice on how to settle into the job. 

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said:


'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' Liam Byrne, his Labour predecessor

Whether that story is a joke or not, the incoming government had different options as to how to address it.

They chose the one that screwed our public services. Time to accept reality.

[Hapag Lloyd]

So why bother leaving a note ?

[NewClaret]

Whether that story is a joke or not, the incoming government had different options as to how to address it.

They chose the one that screwed our public services. Time to accept reality.

Which public services did they screw?

[Devils_Advocate]

No I don't agree. Which is why it's important PPE is used in accordance with the guidance so supplies don't become even more stretched.

So will you agree that Matt Hancock saying to the nation "there is enough PPE to go around but only if its used in line with our guidance" was a poor comment to make?

[CombatClaret]

In press conferences I see they've now stopped saying how many deaths increased the day before, he just gives the total figure.

Maybe it's because we're now recording numbers higher than worst days of Spain & Italy and that would be a great embarrassment given the head start we had on them.

[Burnley1989]

With the issues our frontline NHS staff have been and are facing around PPE and all the other risks and stresses they face does anyone think this was anywhere near a useful and appropriate comment from our Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

“We need everyone to treat PPE like the precious resource it is” “Everyone should use the equipment they clinically need, in line with the guidelines: no more and no less.”

Thank god someone has let the nurses and doctors know about this

Probably on my own, but what he said was correct. It’s been completely blown out of proportion as usual.

[taio]

So will you agree that Matt Hancock saying to the nation "there is enough PPE to go around but only if its used in line with our guidance" was a poor comment to make?

No I won't agree for the reasons already stated.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Probably on my own, but what he said was correct. It’s been completely blown out of proportion as usual.

and by the usual suspects

[Devils_Advocate]

No I won't agree for the reasons already stated.

So we have enough PPE to go around at the moment?

[taio]

So we have enough PPE to go around at the moment?

No.

[Devils_Advocate]

Probably on my own, but what he said was correct. It’s been completely blown out of proportion as usual.

Its the context and the implications towards a group of people working in extreme conditions and putting their health on the line for us.

The NHS has been completely left exposed when it comes to PPE for one of the people responsible for that situation to come out to the country and state we have the PPE but its just that NHS staff are not using it correctly is really poor leadership.

Is my view really blowing this out of proportion?

[TheFamilyCat]

Which public services did they screw?

Are you being serious?

[Devils_Advocate]

No.

So how is Matt Hancock stating we have enough to go around the right thing to say?

He could have made a point about the use of PPE in a completely different context that wouldn't have any implication the reason why we have a shortage is because of how NHS staff are using it