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Ligue 1 returning after all?https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52801776
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no if the French senate has anything to do with it - Remember it was the government that banned all sport until Septembertiger76 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 pmLigue 1 returning after all?https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52801776
https://twitter.com/marcwebber/status/1 ... 0767966208
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meanwhile https://twitter.com/AP_Sports/status/12 ... 8066288641 - Watford Keeper Heurelho Gomes not in favour of returning
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The Lyon Chairman, Jean-Michel Aulas, is in a sole word, unbearable. Ego-centric to a point that makes Mourinho seem like humility incarnated, he has one concern and one concern only namely himself and everything he has a stake in. Lyon have started a whole series of legal proceedings following the French League ( LFP)'s decision to end the season. I say the LFP because although Philippe, the Prime Minister, had said professional football couldn't resume before September, it was up to the LFP to rubber-stamp the decision and, vitally, vote on how to determine the final table.
After the Senate rejected an amendment proposed by Aulas yesterday, it will now be the turn of the Conseil d'Etat (the supreme court of administrative justice) to issue a ruling, due on 4 June.
Whilst nothing can be ruled out right at the moment, it would come as a huge surprise if the Conseil d'Etat overturned the decision to end the season.
After the Senate rejected an amendment proposed by Aulas yesterday, it will now be the turn of the Conseil d'Etat (the supreme court of administrative justice) to issue a ruling, due on 4 June.
Whilst nothing can be ruled out right at the moment, it would come as a huge surprise if the Conseil d'Etat overturned the decision to end the season.
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From the Times:
- If restart 20 June - remaining rounds will be 7 weekends and 2 midweeks
- If restart 27 June - remaining rounds will be 6 weekends and 3 midweeks
- So whichever option is followed, PL season will end on Sunday 2 August
- FA Cup Final - Saturday 8 August
- FA Cup QFs and SFs in free midweeks
- Season must finish by early August to leave space for completion of CL/EL
- If restart 20 June - remaining rounds will be 7 weekends and 2 midweeks
- If restart 27 June - remaining rounds will be 6 weekends and 3 midweeks
- So whichever option is followed, PL season will end on Sunday 2 August
- FA Cup Final - Saturday 8 August
- FA Cup QFs and SFs in free midweeks
- Season must finish by early August to leave space for completion of CL/EL
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Sounds good if it comes to fruition,let's cross our fingers.Spijed wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:42 pmFrom the Times:
- If restart 20 June - remaining rounds will be 7 weekends and 2 midweeks
- If restart 27 June - remaining rounds will be 6 weekends and 3 midweeks
- So whichever option is followed, PL season will end on Sunday 2 August
- FA Cup Final - Saturday 8 August
- FA Cup QFs and SFs in free midweeks
- Season must finish by early August to leave space for completion of CL/EL
From a Clarets POV let's also hope we meet the teams still involved in cup action in their busy weeks,any advantage is helpful.
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Police identify six PL games to be played at neutral venues
Man City v Liverpool.
Man City v Newcastle.
Man Utd v Sheffield Utd.
Newcastle Utd v Liverpool.
Everton v Liverpool.
Liverpool's title-winning game.
Why Man U v Sheff Utd?
Man City v Liverpool.
Man City v Newcastle.
Man Utd v Sheffield Utd.
Newcastle Utd v Liverpool.
Everton v Liverpool.
Liverpool's title-winning game.
Why Man U v Sheff Utd?
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Over reaction to the trouble in the fa cup game a few year back maybe ?
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Interestingly they all involve Northern based teams is there any reason for that?,and who decides what constitutes a neutral venue?
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Could that be because Sheffield and Manchester are both geographically pretty close and the two uniteds may both be competing for the last European spot?claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:51 amOver reaction to the trouble in the fa cup game a few year back maybe ?
I understand London derby games are also heading to neutral grounds. Sadiq Khan concerns - reported in Times, link in post below.
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This is a good read on returning to football.
A little bit of information on the captains' meetings with Premier League and medical scientists and stuff about a club returning to training and playing games in empty stadiums with no fans.
Luka Milivojevic: In this squad we are like family but I can’t hug or kiss them. It’s hard
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1e79 ... 9347961fe3
A little bit of information on the captains' meetings with Premier League and medical scientists and stuff about a club returning to training and playing games in empty stadiums with no fans.
Luka Milivojevic: In this squad we are like family but I can’t hug or kiss them. It’s hard
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1e79 ... 9347961fe3
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Times report on return and neutral grounds.
Liverpool home games could be at neutral grounds with Premier League to return on June 17
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/228b ... c4b00832b8
Liverpool home games could be at neutral grounds with Premier League to return on June 17
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/228b ... c4b00832b8
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Ah! yes i did wonder about the London teams.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:21 pmCould that be because Sheffield and Manchester are both geographically pretty close and the two uniteds may both be competing for the last European spot?
I understand London derby games are also heading to neutral grounds.
Browsing the remaining fixtures the London derbies are the following.
Spurs-West Ham
West Ham-Chelsea
Palace-Chelsea
Spurs-Arsenal
Palace-Spurs
So it not a huge number of neutral venues required especially as the games will be behind closed doors.
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I wonder where the neutral grounds will be for that lot? Stadium of Light should be available if D1 don't restart and Sunderland will be very gland of the money.tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:30 pmAh! yes i did wonder about the London teams.
Browsing the remaining fixtures the London derbies are the following.
Spurs-West Ham
West Ham-Chelsea
Palace-Chelsea
Spurs-Arsenal
Palace-Spurs
So it not a huge number of neutral venues required especially as the games will be behind closed doors.
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Bit of a trek up to the north-east though,suppose they could always rope in Dominic Cummings to drive the coachPaul Waine wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:37 pmI wonder where the neutral grounds will be for that lot? Stadium of Light should be available if D1 don't restart and Sunderland will be very gland of the money.
Does stadium size really matter obviously it'd need to be outside the capital, Watford's the nearest PL stadium but the rozzers might consider that too close.
Southampton's probably a decent shout,and they'll have to come to a decision sooner or later.
Your Sunderland point does raise the question do they have to play at PL grounds,if there's alternatives available.
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They've changed the cup dates again.Spijed wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:42 pmFrom the Times:
- If restart 20 June - remaining rounds will be 7 weekends and 2 midweeks
- If restart 27 June - remaining rounds will be 6 weekends and 3 midweeks
- So whichever option is followed, PL season will end on Sunday 2 August
- FA Cup Final - Saturday 8 August
- FA Cup QFs and SFs in free midweeks
- Season must finish by early August to leave space for completion of CL/EL
The FA Cup quarter-finals have been rescheduled for the weekend of 27-28 June with the final set to take place on Saturday, 1 August.
FA chief executive Mark Bullingham said the dates are "dependent on all safety measures being met" with venues and kick-off times yet to be confirmed.
The semi-finals have been rescheduled for 18-19 July.
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I'd expect Watford is much too close, it's on the London Transport network, both tube and London Overground... and all Premier League stadiums should be in use for home games of respective teams - when they aren't being moved to neutral venues. I was thinking about grounds that will be Premier League standard in terms of facilities/pitch and such, not otherwise in use and not easily accessible to London fans. So, teams that used to be Premier League and are already below Championship come to mind. Bolton and Wigan may be able to compete with Sunderland to offer their grounds.tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:48 pmBit of a trek up to the north-east though,suppose they could always rope in Dominic Cummings to drive the coach
Does stadium size really matter obviously it'd need to be outside the capital, Watford's the nearest PL stadium but the rozzers might consider that too close.
Southampton's probably a decent shout,and they'll have to come to a decision sooner or later.
Your Sunderland point does raise the question do they have to play at PL grounds,if there's alternatives available.
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Hopefully in the next day or so they'll start to announce who's on at what time on the TV.
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zero positive tests
https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/stat ... 9482904576
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BREAKING: 0 positive results from 1130 samples in Round 4 of Premier League #COVID testing.
Follows:
- 4 positives (3 clubs) from 1008 in R3
- 2 positives (2 clubs) from 996 in R2
- 6 positives (3 clubs) from 748 in R1
Total 12 positives from 3882 tests
https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/stat ... 9482904576
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BREAKING: 0 positive results from 1130 samples in Round 4 of Premier League #COVID testing.
Follows:
- 4 positives (3 clubs) from 1008 in R3
- 2 positives (2 clubs) from 996 in R2
- 6 positives (3 clubs) from 748 in R1
Total 12 positives from 3882 tests
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Excellent news SpijedSpijed wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:53 pmzero positive tests
https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/stat ... 9482904576
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BREAKING: 0 positive results from 1130 samples in Round 4 of Premier League #COVID testing.
Follows:
- 4 positives (3 clubs) from 1008 in R3
- 2 positives (2 clubs) from 996 in R2
- 6 positives (3 clubs) from 748 in R1
Total 12 positives from 3882 tests
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17 confirmed cases in the EFL .hmmm.
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Just void it. It’s a nonsense anyway. Who wants to watch behind closed doors games? No friendly matches to warm up. Sack it all until the country returns to something like or near normal. TBH not really missed football in last 3 months. Nothing will be the same again. Yes I have had a couple of fizzers tonight
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Void it and do what as regards promotion/relegation issues,and this near normal you speak off, could in the worst case scenario be a couple of years away, do you seriously think many clubs will remain in existence if football's shut down for so long.Jamesy wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:19 pmJust void it. It’s a nonsense anyway. Who wants to watch behind closed doors games? No friendly matches to warm up. Sack it all until the country returns to something like or near normal. TBH not really missed football in last 3 months. Nothing will be the same again. Yes I have had a couple of fizzers tonight
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Tyrone Mings expressing his doubts about returning, that's fine but where do they think their large salaries are derived from.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52866678
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52866678
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Mings' point of view is absurd. If the return is financially driven, then it is driven by Mings and all his colleagues who are the ones who end up with the money.tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 3:37 pmTyrone Mings expressing his doubts about returning, that's fine but where do they think their large salaries are derived from.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52866678
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Championship set for return on June 20th, and concluded with Play-off Final on or around July 30th.
Leaving just League One yet to be resolved.
Leaving just League One yet to be resolved.
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Well the good news is at least it gives Dirty Leeds the chance to bottle it .Royboyclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:23 pmChampionship set for return on June 20th, and concluded with Play-off Final on or around July 30th.
Leaving just League One yet to be resolved.
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Just noticed this article on Sky Sports this could certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... curtailed
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Im guessing they'l be some clubs (maybe ours) who will be thinking about what might happen next season if we have a serious 2nd or 3rd wave of the virus with a massive increase in infections and deathstiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:04 pmJust noticed this article on Sky Sports this could certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... curtailed
Setting a precedent now that you can only get relegated if the season is finished will be something we and a lot of other clubs might end up depending on in the future to save our skins
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Well it needs 14 PL clubs to back it for it to pass, so it's not guaranteed to go through, i do note that if PPG was used now Bournemouth, Villa, and Norwich would drop, and naturally Liverpool would be champions, the latter decision is easy enough i doubt anybody would question that they're so far ahead. But the European placing and relegation battles are so tight, and that's even before the Championship's reaction is considered Rick Parry isn't happy and he's threatening legal action.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:32 pmIm guessing they'l be some clubs (maybe ours) who will be thinking about what might happen next season if we have a serious 2nd or 3rd wave of the virus with a massive increase in infections and deaths
Setting a precedent now that you can only get relegated if the season is finished will be something we and a lot of other clubs might end up depending on in the future to save our skins
In the unfortunate event of 2nd or 3rd wave i'd state relegation will be the least of our worries, as this could see several clubs going to the wall, and even PL clubs might not necessarily be immune to the financial fall out.
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Agree but to add relegation on top of the other stuff might be a double whammy that is a step too far to survive.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:58 pmWell it needs 14 PL clubs to back it for it to pass, so it's not guaranteed to go through, i do note that if PPG was used now Bournemouth, Villa, and Norwich would drop, and naturally Liverpool would be champions, the latter decision is easy enough i doubt anybody would question that they're so far ahead. But the European placing and relegation battles are so tight, and that's even before the Championship's reaction is considered Rick Parry isn't happy and he's threatening legal action.
In the unfortunate event of 2nd or 3rd wave i'd state relegation will be the least of our worries, as this could see several clubs going to the wall, and even PL clubs might not necessarily be immune to the financial fall out.
If it was just this season then I dont think they'd be anywhere near enough support but with the uncertainty still hanging over next season club owners will be doing everything they can to protect their own self interests and for any club where the first aim is to come 17th and stay up this would be a great safety net
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Well in a given season anybody outwith the big 6 could if things go awry be in a relegation dogfight. Take WBA for example finished 8th a few seasons ago, the following year they went down. BFC is another prime example we qualified for Europe and then at Xmas the following season we were looking odds on for the drop.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:13 pmAgree but to add relegation on top of the other stuff might be a double whammy that is a step too far to survive.
If it was just this season then I dont think they'd be anywhere near enough support but with the uncertainty still hanging over next season club owners will be doing everything they can to protect their own self interests and for any club where the first aim is to come 17th and stay up this would be a great safety net
Even the likes of Everton, Leicester, Sheff Utd and Wolves can't be 100% certain they won't have their struggles, all it takes is a couple of injuries to key players, the loss of form of some others, maybe a manager jumping ship in the case of the latter duo, and before you know it your in the mire.
So yes from that POV it's a great insurance policy if your season's not panning out as you'd expected, so looking at it from that angle it could conceivably garner enough votes to pass.
For the sake of the game i don't agree with it, and i'd hope it was never needed, but looking at it through the eyes of PL owners you can see the attraction.
It could set a dangerous precedent of a closed shop though, and ambitious Championship owners will be blowing a gasket if it's approved by the top flight.
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Agree with all of thattiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:36 pmWell in a given season anybody outwith the big 6 could if things go awry be in a relegation dogfight. Take WBA for example finished 8th a few seasons ago, the following year they went down. BFC is another prime example we qualified for Europe and then at Xmas the following season we were looking odds on for the drop.
Even the likes of Everton, Leicester, Sheff Utd and Wolves can't be 100% certain they won't have their struggles, all it takes is a couple of injuries to key players, the loss of form of some others, maybe a manager jumping ship in the case of the latter duo, and before you know it your in the mire.
So yes from that POV it's a great insurance policy if your season's not panning out as you'd expected, so looking at it from that angle it could conceivably garner enough votes to pass.
For the sake of the game i don't agree with it, and i'd hope it was never needed, but looking at it through the eyes of PL owners you can see the attraction.
It could set a dangerous precedent of a closed shop though, and ambitious Championship owners will be blowing a gasket if it's approved by the top flight.
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If this proposal doesn't pass it leaves the league in limbo. Remember that even if nothing is passed by the clubs this week, the league rules still say that 3 clubs will be relegated. So if nothing passes this week, it doesn't mean no relegation if the season doesn't finish; it means they will have to have another vote when (if) the season is finally abandoned.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:04 pmJust noticed this article on Sky Sports this could certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... curtailed
Which means that either the FA votes for no relegation, which they have said they aren't going to do, or else the PL will have to have another try at picking who goes down. Or else vote to promote 3 but relegate 0, which the FA might allow, but which would mean 6 more matches per club and 15% less TV income per club, so the chances of that getting 14 supporters is basically nil.
8 clubs ("Big 6, Leicester, Everton) basically don't care because they feel safe. They'll vote for anything that says relegation. When push comes to shove, after the season has stopped, the teams 4th bottom and upwards will vote for relegation as long as it isn't for them. Relegation will happen. (Probably!)
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Once the season starts there's no way it'll be stopped, especially if the German league gets completed without any issues.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:04 pmJust noticed this article on Sky Sports this could certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... curtailed
There's even a comment in one of the papers that clubs have been told they'll have to complete the season, even if they only have 15 players to choose from.
And since the recent tests indicated there were zero new cases it's pretty much a certainty that'll we'll be finishing this season.
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Worrying about the second wave - anyone have a clue how certain this is and or when it might occur? - when they're due to start fairly soon sounds like straw-clutching to me.
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I'm no expert so don't take this as gospel by any means, but i did read that Spain is preparing for a possible 2nd wave in the early Autumn.
The limited evidence we have about covid is it's less virulent in warm sunny weather, but again that's up for debate.
The fact that in the 4th round of testing there was no positives returned suggests to me that the PL should be able to resume as planned.
Of course things could quickly change, but as we stand right now English football should return in a couple of weeks at the top level.
Championship could prove a different kettle of fish.
Now i know they're probably ahead of us in the process, but the German league seems to be coping fine, and they've now completed 4 rounds of fixtures in the Bundesliga.
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Hi tiger76,
I'm sorry about the way my sentence read. No offence was meant. I could have worded it more politely.
TBH this "second wave" talk seems to have been mentioned by many journos as a certainty. They're going off past pandemics of course. Apparently the second wave of the Spanish Flu was far worse than the first...
To be quite frank, are there any real experts out there? I know it's an unknown quantity and thus incredibly difficult to predict but too many "non-experts" have made assertions based on...very flimsy "evidence".
It's worth remembering I think, that there are four games fewer to be played in Germany. The season there finishes on 27 June. So they should, one would think and hope, get it done. Clearly the challenge is greater for England, Italy and Spain as we're looking at very end July/early August (I presume) for completion.
Who knows? But I suppose they have to get started some time even if things change for the worse.
I'm sorry about the way my sentence read. No offence was meant. I could have worded it more politely.
TBH this "second wave" talk seems to have been mentioned by many journos as a certainty. They're going off past pandemics of course. Apparently the second wave of the Spanish Flu was far worse than the first...
To be quite frank, are there any real experts out there? I know it's an unknown quantity and thus incredibly difficult to predict but too many "non-experts" have made assertions based on...very flimsy "evidence".
It's worth remembering I think, that there are four games fewer to be played in Germany. The season there finishes on 27 June. So they should, one would think and hope, get it done. Clearly the challenge is greater for England, Italy and Spain as we're looking at very end July/early August (I presume) for completion.
Who knows? But I suppose they have to get started some time even if things change for the worse.
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Here we go:
"PL Clubs to meet to discuss premature finish plans"
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52913164
"PL Clubs to meet to discuss premature finish plans"
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52913164
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Tottenham have had a positive test, no details given.
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I presume Ian Woan has returned to the club setup after his seven days of isolation.
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9 positives in the Champ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52914066
Can't find anything on Woan, but Aaron Ramsdale's out of isolation after 14 days.
Can't find anything on Woan, but Aaron Ramsdale's out of isolation after 14 days.
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There is a lot to learn from past pandemics - particularly about transmission if the the virus is 'highly transmissible' (like COVID-19). I have posted a lot of information about Spanish Flue on the COVID-19 post over the last two days (including that Donald Trump's grandfather died in it). The second wave was much worst than the first killing many young people within 24 hours of contracting the disease.ecc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:52 pmTBH this "second wave" talk seems to have been mentioned by many journos as a certainty. They're going off past pandemics of course. Apparently the second wave of the Spanish Flu was far worse than the first...
To be quite frank, are there any real experts out there? I know it's an unknown quantity and thus incredibly difficult to predict but too many "non-experts" have made assertions based on...very flimsy "evidence".
However, COVID-19 is a different virus altogether than Spanish Flue and we have knowledge and medical technologies far in advance of 1919. Through an 'effective containment plan' S Korea has managed to avoid lockdown. Their football league has been in full swing for some time behind closed doors. They are now discussing the possibility of fans returning to the the stadiums.
There is a good chance of a vaccine towards the end of the year or early next year. There is also a possibility that the virus might be losing it's potency. If this is not so we should see an increase in cases in a few weeks time due to crowds at seasides etc.
Iran is currently in a second wave but they lifted restrictions much earlier than us.
As new information comes in every day I have changed my viewpoint several times. From 'it's only flue' to 'complete lockdown until a vaccine' to 'lift the restrictions gradually after we have an effective containment plan in place'. I still hold with latter for now but if the virus is weakening or a vaccine becomes available we could be back on the Turf earlier than we think.
All we need now is Boris's 'world beating track and trace system'.
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Re: Current Season Void Or Continue
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Premier League vote on curtailment rules delayed until if/when the season has to be abandoned.
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Premier League vote on curtailment rules delayed until if/when the season has to be abandoned.
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There were no positive results for coronavirus from 1,195 tests in the latest round of Premier League testing.
The sixth round of twice-weekly screening of players and club staff took place on 4 and 5 June.
One person tested positive in the previous round, and 13 in total since testing began.
The sixth round of twice-weekly screening of players and club staff took place on 4 and 5 June.
One person tested positive in the previous round, and 13 in total since testing began.
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Just read that Troy Deeney has done a U turn and is back in training? What happened to it being too dangerous and all the other stuff he said about it?