This is really difficult. Again, I haven’t claimed that the man isn’t remarkable. The very fact that he’s raised so much money makes him remarkable. I have claimed that walking 100 laps of his garden over a number of days isn’t remarkable. It’s impressive, but not remarkable in my books. Others obviously have the bar set at a different height which is totally fine. There’s nothing wrong with someone having a different view.Conroy92 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:20 pmI don't need any favours thanks I also didn't say you were a belm, just your posts made you appear to be one. I don't know you, but posts repeating that this man has done nothing remarkable do seem quite strange!
If a fit and healthy 40 year old man walked 100 laps of his garden would it be remarkable--No.
For a 99 year old man who has a had a hip replacement to do it- it is by very definition of the word remarkable.
I understand the asking the questions about where a hero comes from, why people donate etc but in reality you've been called out for saying this bloke is unremarkable when everyone can see he is.
I'm not related to him before you ask
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I note that the biggest critics of virtue signalling are amongst the most fervent admirers of Captain Tom.
I agree that his walking is remarkable but that is not to say it is heroic, which is also not to say that he is not a hero.
I agree that his walking is remarkable but that is not to say it is heroic, which is also not to say that he is not a hero.
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Your right, this is difficult!!
Theres one way to settle this--when you get to 99 and have completed 100 laps of your garden I will agree with you! Untill then...
Theres one way to settle this--when you get to 99 and have completed 100 laps of your garden I will agree with you! Untill then...
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That last paragraph duffer was like watching Glen Little running with the ball at his feet
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Haha...fair enough Elizabeth. I guess I was saying that he is a hero but that he was a hero long before he started walking in his garden.
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The only thing that is "really difficult" for you trying to use semantics to back peddle on what you've said and are now trying to kind of say you're differentiating between the man being remarkable, but his achievements aren't. A blind man on a galloping horse can see what you're attempting to do.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:25 pmThis is really difficult. Again, I haven’t claimed that the man isn’t remarkable. The very fact that he’s raised so much money makes him remarkable. I have claimed that walking 100 laps of his garden over a number of days isn’t remarkable. It’s impressive, but not remarkable in my books. Others obviously have the bar set at a different height which is totally fine. There’s nothing wrong with someone having a different view.
Given his services to king and country he effectively did!
You said what you said .Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:24 amI know he’s old. Fair play, a few people make it to that age, most don’t. That’s just the luck of the draw. My point being that his fundraising could easily have raised just a few quid. He’s not done anything particularly remarkable by walking some lengths of his garden. There are people undertaking far more remarkable feats which won’t raise a fraction of this.
Your thoughtless, throw away comments about Capt Tom. Are a fine blend of crass unappreciative, curmudgeonly and begrudging through gritted teeth disrespect of a man the rest of the nation has to to their hearts.
In some ways Rileybobs, you remind me of my ex-wife. Like you, she didnt have a heart. Just a swinging brick!
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You’re comedy gold. Calm down dear.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:48 pmThe only thing that is "really difficult" for you trying to use semantics to back peddle on what you've said and are now trying to kind of say you're differentiating between the man being remarkable, but his achievements aren't. A blind man on a galloping horse can see what you're attempting to do.
Given his services to king and country he effectively did!
You said what you said .
Your thoughtless, throw away comments about Capt Tom. Are a fine blend of crass unappreciative, curmudgeonly and begrudging through gritted teeth disrespect of a man the rest of the nation has to to their hearts.
In some ways Rileybobs, you remind me of my ex-wife. Like you, she didnt have a heart. Just a swinging brick!
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Here's an idea. Let's all drop it now
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Pathetic.
Unfortunately for you Rileybobs, the truth hurts.
Grow up and learn about respect.
I'm done.
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Here comes the internet bully again - trying to twist what somebody has said and then throwing abuse at him with more faux outrage.
As far as I can see all he has said was that he does not think that 100 laps round the garden is remarkable but that the money raised by him is remarkable.
I would not have posted that myself personally but it’s hardly the war crime you are accusing him of
No doubt you’ll now begin to say that I agree with him and it’s some kind of typical lefty loony stance and we should all be ashamed and damned for eternity etc etc
Stay safe etc etc
As far as I can see all he has said was that he does not think that 100 laps round the garden is remarkable but that the money raised by him is remarkable.
I would not have posted that myself personally but it’s hardly the war crime you are accusing him of
No doubt you’ll now begin to say that I agree with him and it’s some kind of typical lefty loony stance and we should all be ashamed and damned for eternity etc etc
Stay safe etc etc
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At the very least it’s been interesting from a social perspective. How something so harmless and inoffensive can seemingly upset so many. It actually demonstrates the point I was trying to make initially about people’s subconscious need to find a hero in a crisis. To the point that you get hounded for saying anything other than the popular rhetoric.
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Oops, I guess it was wishful thinking on my part
One last request, please don't spoil the OPs and others great contributions to this thread.
One last request, please don't spoil the OPs and others great contributions to this thread.
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I've only just read this.
Humbling truly humbling.
Humbling truly humbling.
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£26M now.
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Staggering.
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Update from Biggin Hill heritage hangar
"Captain Tom 100th Birthday Flypast Update
We've submitted our flight application and are quietly confident that we'll get approval to perform a flypast for Captain Toms 100th Birthday on the 30th April.
In the event of permission being granted it's our intention to fly over as many NHS hospitals as we are permitted to on our route from Biggin Hill to Marston Moretain - more details to follow.
The aircraft we intend to use is MkIX Spitfire TA805 'Spirit of Kent' .The Spitfire will be proudly wearing the NHS logo for this special flight.
Find out more about 'The Kent Spitfire' here https://kentspitfire.co.uk/"
"Captain Tom 100th Birthday Flypast Update
We've submitted our flight application and are quietly confident that we'll get approval to perform a flypast for Captain Toms 100th Birthday on the 30th April.
In the event of permission being granted it's our intention to fly over as many NHS hospitals as we are permitted to on our route from Biggin Hill to Marston Moretain - more details to follow.
The aircraft we intend to use is MkIX Spitfire TA805 'Spirit of Kent' .The Spitfire will be proudly wearing the NHS logo for this special flight.
Find out more about 'The Kent Spitfire' here https://kentspitfire.co.uk/"
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That will be truly inspirational and emotional if it happens. Tom really is giving the country something good to focus on during these terrible times, I for one will be out singing Happy Birthday on the 30th.Croydon Claret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:07 pmUpdate from Biggin Hill heritage hangar
"Captain Tom 100th Birthday Flypast Update
We've submitted our flight application and are quietly confident that we'll get approval to perform a flypast for Captain Toms 100th Birthday on the 30th April.
In the event of permission being granted it's our intention to fly over as many NHS hospitals as we are permitted to on our route from Biggin Hill to Marston Moretain - more details to follow.
The aircraft we intend to use is MkIX Spitfire TA805 'Spirit of Kent' .The Spitfire will be proudly wearing the NHS logo for this special flight.
Find out more about 'The Kent Spitfire' here https://kentspitfire.co.uk/"
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Astonishing amount of money.
Great to have positive news like this at the moment.
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The whole thing is absolutely baffling
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Again, you dont have to consider him a hero
If the first thing you think of doing when reading his story, is to take to the internet to tell everyone that you dont think he's a hero, several times then you are obviously a bit of a self righteous k***head
You really cant start getting all upset when people take to the internet to declare that they think you are well up your own @rse can you?
If the first thing you think of doing when reading his story, is to take to the internet to tell everyone that you dont think he's a hero, several times then you are obviously a bit of a self righteous k***head
You really cant start getting all upset when people take to the internet to declare that they think you are well up your own @rse can you?
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Guessing that's directed towards me?Damo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:53 pmAgain, you dont have to consider him a hero
If the first thing you think of doing when reading his story, is to take to the internet to tell everyone that you dont think he's a hero, several times then you are obviously a bit of a self righteous k***head
You really cant start getting all upset when people take to the internet to declare that they think you are well up your own @rse can you?
The first thing I did when I read his story was actually to donate money to his Just Giving page.
I haven't claimed anywhere that he isn't a hero, never mind several times. You've just made that up. If you think I'm a self righteous knobhead for something that I haven't said then what does that make you?
I haven't got upset anywhere. You're the one clearly rattled by resorting to totally uncalled for personal abuse, you precious snowflake you.
So, overall a poor effort Damo, even by your standards.
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Anyone who is confused as to why Capt Tom is held in such high regard by many of us perhaps they’d prefer to put their hands in their pockets for this chap eh...
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding ... =jgGnE4RKB
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding ... =jgGnE4RKB
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You did say what he was doing towards charity wasn't remarkable, I think it's been pointed out quite convincingly by a number of posters including myself that it is remarkable, if we make it to 99 & have the energy for a walk around a garden it's good going never mind with the hip job as well, I'd accept you was in the wrong & leave it there.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:04 pmGuessing that's directed towards me?
The first thing I did when I read his story was actually to donate money to his Just Giving page.
I haven't claimed anywhere that he isn't a hero, never mind several times. You've just made that up. If you think I'm a self righteous knobhead for something that I haven't said then what does that make you?
I haven't got upset anywhere. You're the one clearly rattled by resorting to totally uncalled for personal abuse, you precious snowflake you.
So, overall a poor effort Damo, even by your standards.
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This thread shouldn’t be about who is right and who is wrong about Capt Tom, it’s about Capt Tom and how magnificent his endeavour is and was to do what he did. I agree that nobody expected the response from the public, but the response was fantastic and if Capt Tom is taking the credit then so be it, he deserves it.
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Can be as critical as you want, hence me saying "I would have left it at that" focus on the "I" part.
I suppose though enough people thought he was inspirational enough to donate towards a hefty lump sum for the NHS rather than take the time to find something to grumble about.
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The whole giving money to charity is baffling to me.
Why do people only give when somebody does something remarkable? I find it weird. People don’t care 1000s die of cancer until a banana runs the marathon.
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He's clearly struck a cord with the country,why it's impossible to fully gauge,but the fact he's a veteran of WW2 will resonant with many,especially this year with it being the 75th anniversary.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:41 amCan be as critical as you want, hence me saying "I would have left it at that" focus on the "I" part.
I suppose though enough people thought he was inspirational enough to donate towards a hefty lump sum for the NHS rather than take the time to find something to grumble about.
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I think a combination of his Military Service, his advanced years, this country's attachment to the NHS and its staff and the need for an optimistic, positive news story among the deluge of " doom and gloom " has caused Captain Tom's campaign to really hit the spot !!
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Captain Tom, 99, receives more than 25,000 birthday cards
Captain Tom Moore, who has raised more than £27m for the NHS by completing 100 laps of his garden, has been sent more than 25,000 birthday cards ahead of his 100th birthday on 30 April.
Stephen James, manager at the South Midlands Mail Centre, said: "None of the team have ever known one person receive so much mail."
Meanwhile, British Formula 1 driver Lando Norris has spoken to Capt Moore via a video chat and offered him a tour around the McLaren F1 factory.
"Nothing would give me more pleasure - it would be absolutely phenomenal to go around McLaren because I've always been a McLaren fan and still am," said Capt Moore.
Norris, 20, added: "I want to say a big congratulations for everything you have achieved - it's my honour to speak to you."
Captain Tom Moore, who has raised more than £27m for the NHS by completing 100 laps of his garden, has been sent more than 25,000 birthday cards ahead of his 100th birthday on 30 April.
Stephen James, manager at the South Midlands Mail Centre, said: "None of the team have ever known one person receive so much mail."
Meanwhile, British Formula 1 driver Lando Norris has spoken to Capt Moore via a video chat and offered him a tour around the McLaren F1 factory.
"Nothing would give me more pleasure - it would be absolutely phenomenal to go around McLaren because I've always been a McLaren fan and still am," said Capt Moore.
Norris, 20, added: "I want to say a big congratulations for everything you have achieved - it's my honour to speak to you."
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Capt Tom reaches number one with charity single
Captain Tom Moore has reached number one with his charity single - making him the oldest artist to top the UK singles chart.
The 99-year-old war veteran, who raised more than £28m for the NHS by walking laps of his garden, has teamed up with Michael Ball and the The NHS Voices Of Care Choir to release a cover of You'll Never Walk Alone to continue his fundraising.
The song is now the fastest selling single of 2020, according to the Official Charts Company, clinching the top spot with combined chart sales of 82,000.
"My grandchildren can’t believe I am a chart topper!" Capt Tom, who turns 100 next week, said.
“I have to thank Michael Ball, the NHS Voices Of Care Choir and everyone behind the scenes, who shared their talents and expertise in order to raise money for the NHS, to whom we owe so much.
“And, of course, the public for buying the single and donating – we’re in this together, and I am forever grateful for your support.
“And this just proves you’ll never walk alone.”
Captain Tom Moore has reached number one with his charity single - making him the oldest artist to top the UK singles chart.
The 99-year-old war veteran, who raised more than £28m for the NHS by walking laps of his garden, has teamed up with Michael Ball and the The NHS Voices Of Care Choir to release a cover of You'll Never Walk Alone to continue his fundraising.
The song is now the fastest selling single of 2020, according to the Official Charts Company, clinching the top spot with combined chart sales of 82,000.
"My grandchildren can’t believe I am a chart topper!" Capt Tom, who turns 100 next week, said.
“I have to thank Michael Ball, the NHS Voices Of Care Choir and everyone behind the scenes, who shared their talents and expertise in order to raise money for the NHS, to whom we owe so much.
“And, of course, the public for buying the single and donating – we’re in this together, and I am forever grateful for your support.
“And this just proves you’ll never walk alone.”
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Latest info re the Spitfire flypast
"We are pleased to announce that our plans to perform a Spitfire Flypast for Captain Tom's 100th birthday have been recognised by the CAA and they have no objections with the proposal.
Ultimately approval for the flypast now rests with the Department of Transport as the proposed flight falls outside the scope of the current lock down restrictions that apply to general aviation.
We will continue to work in partnership with London Biggin Hill Airport, the CAA, local MP's and the Department of Transport to explore all avenues to get the flypast approved.
We are currently monitoring the weather as next weeks foreacast is for more unsettled conditions. We are on standby to perform the Flypast at short notice to take advantage of favourable weather conditions next week should we gain
final approval. "
"We are pleased to announce that our plans to perform a Spitfire Flypast for Captain Tom's 100th birthday have been recognised by the CAA and they have no objections with the proposal.
Ultimately approval for the flypast now rests with the Department of Transport as the proposed flight falls outside the scope of the current lock down restrictions that apply to general aviation.
We will continue to work in partnership with London Biggin Hill Airport, the CAA, local MP's and the Department of Transport to explore all avenues to get the flypast approved.
We are currently monitoring the weather as next weeks foreacast is for more unsettled conditions. We are on standby to perform the Flypast at short notice to take advantage of favourable weather conditions next week should we gain
final approval. "
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Well done Tom 28Million. How much has Riley raised? Bet he couldn't raise his right hand the 'woke' looney.
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He has all his marbles. A good sense of humour and a very young daughter!
A good life!
Super achievement.
A good life!
Super achievement.
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I doesn’t seem like you know what ‘woke’ means. Which is a shame, because by using it out of context on this and another thread this morning it’s making you look thick.
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The appeal has now just passed the £29,000,000 mark, which, with Gift Aid, makes the current total £34,472,000 !!,
Might it be an idea to announce that the appeal will close at midnight on his 100th Birthday ( 30th April ) and let him have a breather, before what I suspect may be some good news in the Queen's Birthday Honours list .....
Might it be an idea to announce that the appeal will close at midnight on his 100th Birthday ( 30th April ) and let him have a breather, before what I suspect may be some good news in the Queen's Birthday Honours list .....
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RAF possibly doing the flypast now. Message from Biggin Hill
"Sadly we've been unable to secure permission to perform a flypast with the 'Spirit of Kent NHS Spitfire' for Captain Tom's 100th birthday on Thursday. Current general aviation restrictions are in place to prevent non-essential travel and in these current times safety is the most important factor.
Luckily the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight are not bound by the same restrictions and are permitted to fly. It is our understanding that they are now picking up the baton to provide a flypast for Captain Tom.
Getting a Spitfire overhead for Captain Tom was always the primary goal and we're thrilled that this may still be possible. We wish the BBMF team the very best of luck and hope that the weather permits a flypast on the 30th of April.
We have invited Captain Tom and his family to visit Biggin Hill for a Spitfire flight when it is safe to do so. We hope that they will be able to visit us for a belated birthday celebration.
We're also planning more fundraising activities using 'The Spirit of Kent NHS Spitfire' and will be posting updates soon.
Thanks for all your positive comments and support - stay safe!"
"Sadly we've been unable to secure permission to perform a flypast with the 'Spirit of Kent NHS Spitfire' for Captain Tom's 100th birthday on Thursday. Current general aviation restrictions are in place to prevent non-essential travel and in these current times safety is the most important factor.
Luckily the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight are not bound by the same restrictions and are permitted to fly. It is our understanding that they are now picking up the baton to provide a flypast for Captain Tom.
Getting a Spitfire overhead for Captain Tom was always the primary goal and we're thrilled that this may still be possible. We wish the BBMF team the very best of luck and hope that the weather permits a flypast on the 30th of April.
We have invited Captain Tom and his family to visit Biggin Hill for a Spitfire flight when it is safe to do so. We hope that they will be able to visit us for a belated birthday celebration.
We're also planning more fundraising activities using 'The Spirit of Kent NHS Spitfire' and will be posting updates soon.
Thanks for all your positive comments and support - stay safe!"
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That''s a jobsworth for you.Croydon Claret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:12 pmRAF possibly doing the flypast now. Message from Biggin Hill
"Sadly we've been unable to secure permission to perform a flypast with the 'Spirit of Kent NHS Spitfire' for Captain Tom's 100th birthday on Thursday. Current general aviation restrictions are in place to prevent non-essential travel and in these current times safety is the most important factor.
Luckily the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight are not bound by the same restrictions and are permitted to fly. It is our understanding that they are now picking up the baton to provide a flypast for Captain Tom.
Getting a Spitfire overhead for Captain Tom was always the primary goal and we're thrilled that this may still be possible. We wish the BBMF team the very best of luck and hope that the weather permits a flypast on the 30th of April.
We have invited Captain Tom and his family to visit Biggin Hill for a Spitfire flight when it is safe to do so. We hope that they will be able to visit us for a belated birthday celebration.
We're also planning more fundraising activities using 'The Spirit of Kent NHS Spitfire' and will be posting updates soon.
Thanks for all your positive comments and support - stay safe!"
Jobsworth: "The rules are there to make things safe".
Observer: "How would one Spitfire flight be dangerous?"
Jobsworth: "The rules are there to make things safe."
I realise that having 101 flights, one of them a Spitfire and the other 100 commercial, is more dangerous than having just 100 commercial in terms of spreading the risk of coronavirus. But can't they tell the jobsworths that perhaps once a year, in exceptional circumstances, they could stretch a point or turn a blind eye? That the rules are not an end in themselves?
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" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools ! "
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If they thought they could ban the RAF from flying I'm sure they would have grounded them also.
Last I heard from people connected with the BBMF is that the Lancaster is in bits for a major service and most of the personnel had been re deployed into the community to assist in the general Covid fight.
Think we'll just have to wait and see if they can get enough people together to get a Spitfire or 2 in the air
Last I heard from people connected with the BBMF is that the Lancaster is in bits for a major service and most of the personnel had been re deployed into the community to assist in the general Covid fight.
Think we'll just have to wait and see if they can get enough people together to get a Spitfire or 2 in the air
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Birthday flypast confirmed for Tom https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bed ... -52453194
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Good grief he's had a train named after him now https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52468187
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Many Happy Returns Captain Tom. What an inspiration you are Sir and what a milestone you have reached.
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Fly-past on telly now...he's just £150,000 or so short of £30 million
Hero.
Hero.
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Nice flyby for Captain Tom, the best I could get out of the bedroom window...
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135,000 birthday cards, with something like £60,000 extra inside them for the NHS Charities.
For a man of his age, what he says is wonderful "I am one of the few people here who have seen a Hurricane and Spitfire fly past in anger but thankfully today they are flying over peacefully"
Made me quite emotional
For a man of his age, what he says is wonderful "I am one of the few people here who have seen a Hurricane and Spitfire fly past in anger but thankfully today they are flying over peacefully"
Made me quite emotional
Re: Captain Tom Moore - inspirational
Croydon Claret said this in his piece above where he said that Biggin Hill couldn't get permission to fly their Spitfire to honour Capt. Tom.
Current general aviation restrictions are in place to prevent non-essential travel and in these current times safety is the most important factor.
How come there are still loads of small and not so small private aircraft flying in and out of Farnborough on a daily basis.
Current general aviation restrictions are in place to prevent non-essential travel and in these current times safety is the most important factor.
How come there are still loads of small and not so small private aircraft flying in and out of Farnborough on a daily basis.
Re: Captain Tom Moore - inspirational
A fact I came across recently was that only 15% of UK soldiers actually fired a gun in action in WW2. Really surprised me.
I think the amazing amount raised shows that the UK public were desperate to help the NHS but had no real vehicle to do it until the media picked up on Tom.
The real heroes here are the NHS workers basically going to war with no weapons and not giving an inch.
I'm not sure I could walk onto a Covid ward with just a face mask and gloves.
I think the amazing amount raised shows that the UK public were desperate to help the NHS but had no real vehicle to do it until the media picked up on Tom.
The real heroes here are the NHS workers basically going to war with no weapons and not giving an inch.
I'm not sure I could walk onto a Covid ward with just a face mask and gloves.
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Re: Captain Tom Moore - inspirational
He was even on Wogan's Blankty Blank
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Re: Captain Tom Moore - inspirational
I wonder if we’ll see a jump in donations today to push it well over £30m.
Amazing story either way.
Amazing story either way.