Wheres Boris...

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:35 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:25 pm
No thats not it at all. I work in projects and we have to go through steering groups and governance boards at all the key stages. The Sponsor who will be the most senior person is almost always present but never chairs the meeting.

The meetings are usually chaired by the most senior person who has enough subject knowledge which allows the most Sponsor to take on board all the info and discussions so they can interject to challenge and ask question where appropriate

Ultimately the decision lies with them so it is key for them to be there and play a vital role even though they dont lead.

No idea how this works at govt level but as others have said you will find it very rare at large successful modern businesses for key meetings to be chaired and led by the most senior person

Have we all ditched our knowledge of corporate governance? Do we not know the difference between the Chair(man/woman/person) of the Board, the role of the Chief Executive and the roles of non-executive directors?

If you are arguing that the PM should have been there, you are also arguing that these were "critical meetings." But, if you are arguing that these meetings didn't need to be chaired by PM, then you are arguing that these weren't "so critical meetings" and it wasn't necessary for the PM to be there.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:41 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:35 pm
Have we all ditched our knowledge of corporate governance? Do we not know the difference between the Chair(man/woman/person) of the Board, the role of the Chief Executive and the roles of non-executive directors?

If you are arguing that the PM should have been there, you are also arguing that these were "critical meetings." But, if you are arguing that these meetings didn't need to be chaired by PM, then you are arguing that these weren't "so critical meetings" and it wasn't necessary for the PM to be there.

Im not arguing anything of the sort. What I am saying is through all levels of business to the very top the most senior person nearly always attends meetings not as the chair

Just because Johnson isn't needed or the best person to chair the meetings does not mean he doesn't need to attend the meetings.

Ive said I dont know how this works in the govt as dont you but you have been questioning more generally the idea of the chair not being the most senior person and that is what my comment dealt with

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:48 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:27 pm
I thought we all had the opinion that the "red tops" weren't worth reading.

Yes, 6 or 7 cases of suspected covid-19 in the UK (was it already named covid-19 in Jan?). So, were we all saying "get the lockdown going now?"

Hillingdon hospital was mentioned as suspected 7th (?) covid-19 case. I've heard of someone who works at Hillingdon Hospital (not frontline). I understand he's been tested twice and both times test showed negative for covid-19. That's just a little side story.

Thanks, Keith, good to see something that is maybe arguing that "red tops" got this one right.

Red tops

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:07 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:15 pm
So, "meetings on a specific topic..are usually chaired by the person with the expertise of that area." So, no problem with the PM not attending those meetings..., or put it differently, not helpful for the PM to be spending his time in those meetings when there are also other things that need doing.

No, not what I'm saying at all.

You still need buy-in from the top level. They still need to understand the issues and be aware of the pros and cons so they can decide at a strategic level.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:16 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:18 pm
?????? but, then it's not "quantitative easing" it's just devaluing the currency and fuelling inflation - and that doesn't lead to a good outcome for anyone.

In both instances money is created electronically. If used to buy gilts it pushes up asset prices, and if it’s distributed evenly to buy food, it wont push up asset prices. If price controls are put in place, then it can’t even inflate food prices.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:17 pm

aggi wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:07 pm
No, not what I'm saying at all.

You still need buy-in from the top level. They still need to understand the issues and be aware of the pros and cons so they can decide at a strategic level.

Hi aggi, I agree you "need buy-in from the top level" but, it's my experience that the "top-level" doesn't need to be present at a committee meeting to ensure that you get their buy-in.

Think of all the different areas that a leader needs to cover. Isn't the reason they have a team of people around them so that they can delegate and ensure that everything that needs to get done does get done. A model that says the "top-level" needs to attend everything that is (felt to be) important is a model that will very soon get blocked waiting for their turn to schedule their meeting when there is time in the diary of the person(s) at the "top-level."

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:20 pm

AndrewJB wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:16 pm
In both instances money is created electronically. If used to buy gilts it pushes up asset prices, and if it’s distributed evenly to buy food, it wont push up asset prices. If price controls are put in place, then it can’t even inflate food prices.

and, if price controls are put in place, maybe even rationing, pretty soon no one has got a great diet.

Please, ask the people who've lived through Mugabe's Zimbabwe or those that are in Chavez/Maduro's Venezuela.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:23 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:17 pm
Hi aggi, I agree you "need buy-in from the top level" but, it's my experience that the "top-level" doesn't need to be present at a committee meeting to ensure that you get their buy-in.

Think of all the different areas that a leader needs to cover. Isn't the reason they have a team of people around them so that they can delegate and ensure that everything that needs to get done does get done. A model that says the "top-level" needs to attend everything that is (felt to be) important is a model that will very soon get blocked waiting for their turn to schedule their meeting when there is time in the diary of the person(s) at the "top-level."

It’s not any old committee though - it’s one of the most important - if not most important meeting.
Nobody is saying the PM has to attend every government committee meeting - that’s clearly impossible.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:34 pm

thatdberight wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:09 pm
You don't make any sense. Apart from, hopefully, to yourself.

Well, they just produced Billions out of thin air.......eventually prices will rise to compensate, diluting the value of your Pound.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:38 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:34 pm
Well, they just produced Billions out of thin air.......eventually prices will rise to compensate, diluting the value of your Pound.

You have a better idea? Since most of your interjections are only a sentence or two long and just verbal sparring, some more detail of your view would prove .... emm... enlightening. I'd guess.

I have plenty of pounds, no need to worry about that.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:52 pm

thatdberight wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:38 pm
You have a better idea? Since most of your interjections are only a sentence or two long and just verbal sparring, some more detail of your view would prove .... emm... enlightening. I'd guess.

I have plenty of pounds, no need to worry about that.

Is that you Kate?.......What are you stalking me now?
If you have plenty of Pounds spare, maybe you could lend Richard Branson a few.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:57 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:20 pm
and, if price controls are put in place, maybe even rationing, pretty soon no one has got a great diet.

Please, ask the people who've lived through Mugabe's Zimbabwe or those that are in Chavez/Maduro's Venezuela.

It’s only for the duration of the crisis. Ask people who lived through WW2.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:58 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:48 pm
Red tops

To be fair, Keith;s original point was that Johnson was absent from meetings up to and including18th February when the press was allegedly full of how serious this all was. Producing headlines from 24th February is totally irrelevant to that point, whether red top or broadsheet.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:06 pm

dsr wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:58 pm
To be fair, Keith;s original point was that Johnson was absent from meetings up to and including18th February when the press was allegedly full of how serious this all was. Producing headlines from 24th February is totally irrelevant to that point, whether red top or broadsheet.

You are correct, I hit a 2 instead of a 1 on got Feb. Not for the fist time in the last few days the

are on me

Note to self: must try harder

Just to add all those papers had Coronavirus stories on their front page 24th Jan

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:06 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:27 pm
I thought we all had the opinion that the "red tops" weren't worth reading.

Yes, 6 or 7 cases of suspected covid-19 in the UK (was it already named covid-19 in Jan?). So, were we all saying "get the lockdown going now?"

Hillingdon hospital was mentioned as suspected 7th (?) covid-19 case. I've heard of someone who works at Hillingdon Hospital (not frontline). I understand he's been tested twice and both times test showed negative for covid-19. That's just a little side story.

Thanks, Keith, good to see something that is maybe arguing that "red tops" got this one right.

With respect Paul this was your actual statement. "With the big, big, benefit of 20:20 hindsight, we can all see that covid-19 would become a "big issue."

I would say that the BBC story of 24 January showed that it was becoming a big issue. Nobody said anything about lockdown did they?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:34 pm

AndrewJB wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:57 pm
It’s only for the duration of the crisis. Ask people who lived through WW2.

Gov't was borrowing money during WWII. I don't recall any information that says quantitative easing existed before 2008.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:11 am

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:17 pm
Hi aggi, I agree you "need buy-in from the top level" but, it's my experience that the "top-level" doesn't need to be present at a committee meeting to ensure that you get their buy-in.

Think of all the different areas that a leader needs to cover. Isn't the reason they have a team of people around them so that they can delegate and ensure that everything that needs to get done does get done. A model that says the "top-level" needs to attend everything that is (felt to be) important is a model that will very soon get blocked waiting for their turn to schedule their meeting when there is time in the diary of the person(s) at the "top-level."

I would say there is a significant difference between everything and a pretty high level meeting such as a Cobra meeting. I wouldn't neccesarily expect the PM to be at all of them but maybe one or two.

Saying that, my original response was more about your original point how you'd expect the most senior person to be the chairmain by default which you seem to have pivoted away from.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:18 am

aggi wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:11 am
I would say there is a significant difference between everything and a pretty high level meeting such as a Cobra meeting. I wouldn't neccesarily expect the PM to be at all of them but maybe one or two.

Saying that, my original response was more about your original point how you'd expect the most senior person to be the chairmain by default which you seem to have pivoted away from.

Really, have I pivoted? or have you tried to bring in some other sorts of committee that suit where the most senior person doesn't need to be the chair?

No worries. Glad we are agreed that there was no need for BJ to attend those early COBR meetings.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:15 pm

Hows our Leader...

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 pm

He's back at the helm from Monday,according to press reports recovering rapidly.I'm sure you'll all be glad to hear.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:00 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 pm
He's back at the helm from Monday,according to press reports recovering rapidly.I'm sure you'll all be glad to hear.

I mentioned it as the Korean chap rumours circulating that having not been sent hes dead...you just dont know what to believe in these uncertain times.

fanzone · Post by **fanzone** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:10 pm

Returning to the grind Monday - Excellent news

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:18 pm

‘Raring to go’. Always a three word slogan involved.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:28 pm

THREAD TITLE-:"WHERE'S BORIS ?"

ANSWER-

"IN THE REAL WORLD, WELL AHEAD OF KEIR "CHARISMA FREE ZONE" STARMER, IN THE LATEST OPINION POLLS"

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:41 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:28 pm
THREAD TITLE-:"WHERE'S BORIS ?"

ANSWER-

"IN THE REAL WORLD, WELL AHEAD OF KEIR "CHARISMA FREE ZONE" STARMER, IN THE LATEST OPINION POLLS"

And that sums up many Tory voters like you. Far more interested in opinion polls than the number of people dying!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:55 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:41 pm
And that sums up many Tory voters like you. Far more interested in opinion polls than the number of people dying!

Far more interested in giving credit where credits due, and ignoring the Noise. From those that are desperate, absolutely desperate, not to let a good crisis go to waste, during an unprecedented global pandemic with no known cure.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:14 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:55 pm
Far more interested in giving credit where credits due, and ignoring the Noise. From those that are desperate, absolutely desperate, not to let a good crisis go to waste, during an unprecedented global pandemic with no known cure.

What have they done well?

Testing better than other countries perhaps?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:17 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:28 pm
THREAD TITLE-:"WHERE'S BORIS ?"

ANSWER-

"IN THE REAL WORLD, WELL AHEAD OF KEIR "CHARISMA FREE ZONE" STARMER, IN THE LATEST OPINION POLLS"

‘Grown man’ typing in caps lock on football messageboard not weird at all.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:33 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:14 pm
What have they done well?

Testing better than other countries perhaps?

Built 4 mega hospitals in a matter of days. Not that they’ve needed them because it seems the NHS did have sufficient capacity (despite all the whinging about critical care beds/ventilators per person) to deal with the largest pandemic in living memory, after all.

Announced an economic plan that protects the people and goes MUCH further to protect incomes/jobs than the rest of the world.

Stopped business rates for many businesses for 2020.

Provided funding for £Ben’s business loans.

But apart from that, not much.

chadders · Post by **chadders** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:37 am

That's really cool but if we'd been quicker out of the blocks might have saved a bob or two. Or lives? Just saying like.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:27 am

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:28 pm
THREAD TITLE-:"WHERE'S BORIS ?"

ANSWER-

"IN THE REAL WORLD, WELL AHEAD OF KEIR "CHARISMA FREE ZONE" STARMER, IN THE LATEST OPINION POLLS"

Well having a prime minister whose a good laugh rather than competent is working out great so far!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:03 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:33 pm
Built 4 mega hospitals in a matter of days. Not that they’ve needed them because it seems the NHS did have sufficient capacity (despite all the whinging about critical care beds/ventilators per person) to deal with the largest pandemic in living memory, after all.

Announced an economic plan that protects the people and goes MUCH further to protect incomes/jobs than the rest of the world.

Stopped business rates for many businesses for 2020.

Provided funding for £Ben’s business loans.

But apart from that, not much.

Four mega hospitals which were actually described as not fir for purpose.

And money which will have to be paid back. Nothing is free.

And amateurish in regards to tracking and containing the virus like other countries have tried to do?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:14 pm
What have they done well?

Testing better than other countries perhaps?

They stopped the NHS from being overwhelmed.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:42 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:03 am
Four mega hospitals which were actually described as not fir for purpose.

And money which will have to be paid back. Nothing is free.

And amateurish in regards to tracking and containing the virus like other countries have tried to do?

Who has described them as not fit for purpose and why? Do you think it was wrong to develop the nightengale hospitals?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:50 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:42 am
Who has described them as not fit for purpose and why? Do you think it was wrong to develop the nightengale hospitals?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 9d8db64376

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:56 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:50 am
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 9d8db64376

Are you really suggesting based on that they are a bad thing?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:27 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:56 am
Are you really suggesting based on that they are a bad thing?

Reality is, some folk will just never give any credit where it’s due.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:30 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:56 am
Are you really suggesting based on that they are a bad thing?

Not at all, but the point of that article was purely that if they are going to be used they have to up to standard.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:39 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:30 am
Not at all, but the point of that article was purely that if they are going to be used they have to up to standard.

It looks to me like you've searched for and referenced one article to discredit the huge efforts made to develop extra bed capacity in the NHS - the speed of mobilising these has been astonishing and whilst might not be perfect are there to play a crucial role if needed. Hopefully they wont be at any scale.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:21 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:39 am
It looks to me like you've searched for and referenced one article to discredit the huge efforts made to develop extra bed capacity in the NHS - the speed of mobilising these has been astonishing and whilst might not be perfect are there to play a crucial role if needed. Hopefully they wont be at any scale.

Some people are so desperate to make political gain from this, very sad!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:02 pm

To all those who worship the ground Nicola Sturgeon walks on,it seems she's as culpable as the PM in not attending Cobra meetings.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot ... -21927523

Now i wonder what big mouth Ian Blackford will make of that,he was quick enough to criticise the Prime Minister after all.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:17 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:42 am
Who has described them as not fit for purpose and why? Do you think it was wrong to develop the nightengale hospitals?

They were somewhat in a dilemma with the nightingale hospital. The government was likely to get criticised if they built it and it doesn't get used and also criticised if they didn't build it and it was needed. Forecasting demand with something unknown like this isn't easy.

However, the area where it seems there are struggles, as was predicted, is the staffing. I was talking to someone who is working at nightingale who was saying that it's being run with a skeleton staff and they don't really know where they'll be able to get more staff from (obviously pulling them out of other hospitals is a bit pointless). This article seems to suggest similar https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... s-treated/

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:45 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:27 am
Well having a prime minister whose a good laugh rather than competent is working out great so far!

Its certainly a view. According to the latest opinion polls, it's a minority view.

The PMs approval ratings are good.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:52 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:45 pm
Its certainly a view. According to the latest opinion polls, it's a minority view.

The PMs approval ratings are good.

As I said Ringo, winning the next election is far more important to some than saving lives.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:01 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:52 pm
As I said Ringo, winning the next election is far more important to some than saving lives.

If the majority of people agree with you, this government , at the next election, will be out on its ear.

Unlike, apparently you, I trust the British people to make a sound judgement when they place their "X" on the ballot paper.

Lets see shall we, when all this is over.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:18 pm

aggi wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:17 pm
They were somewhat in a dilemma with the nightingale hospital. The government was likely to get criticised if they built it and it doesn't get used and also criticised if they didn't build it and it was needed. Forecasting demand with something unknown like this isn't easy.

However, the area where it seems there are struggles, as was predicted, is the staffing. I was talking to someone who is working at nightingale who was saying that it's being run with a skeleton staff and they don't really know where they'll be able to get more staff from (obviously pulling them out of other hospitals is a bit pointless). This article seems to suggest similar https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... s-treated/

Yes, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Of course workforce capacity would be significantly stretched if the NHS became overwhelmed. It would be inevitable do hardly a remarkable prediction. It's an emergency and desperate situation. A switch can't just be flicked to magic-up a load more staff beyond the additional capacity already available and created. The reality is if the NHS had significant workforce shortages there would be a further call from staff to go over and above through increased hours and overtime. Thankfully capacity has so far been good which will be a key measure of success or failure. The nightengale hospitals could ultimately be used in a range of ways and not just to provide critical care. Some people who want perfection need a reality check and to review their expectations.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:22 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:52 pm
As I said Ringo, winning the next election is far more important to some than saving lives.

Who in your view thinks the next election is far more important than saving lives and what evidence do you have to support that view?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:42 pm

Good heavens Boris has been AWOL for a few weeks,through no fault of his own,and yet he's still polling nearly double Keir Starmer's numbers.

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Boris Johnson (Con) : 44%
Keir Starmer (Lab) : 23%
None of these: 17%
Don't know: 16%

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:51 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:22 pm
Who in your view thinks the next election is far more important than saving lives and what evidence do you have to support that view?

Anyone who keeps banging on about opinion polls in the current situation. You are incredibly naive if you don't think the Government will look to see how the current crisis has any bearing on the next election.

Take the narrative regarding testing. It's now changed from tests available to 'Capacity', especially as 100,000 tests were never going to get done on a daily basis by the end of this month.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:02 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:51 pm
Anyone who keeps banging on about opinion polls in the current situation. You are incredibly naive if you don't think the Government will look to see how the current crisis has any bearing on the next election.

Take the narrative regarding testing. It's now changed from tests available to 'Capacity', especially as 100,000 tests were never going to get done on a daily basis by the end of this month.

You didn't refer to it just having a bearing. You explicitly said the next election is far more important than saving lives to some people. And you've said it more than once. So please don't say I am incredibly naive when you have just moved the goalposts considerably to now just say the outcome of the crisis will have an impact at the ballot box in the government's view. That's not what you said originally so don't suggest it was and in doing so twist what I said.

Testing capacity is incredibly important as is ease of access. If both things are in place then the system is relying on people using the testing services.