He's in my basement. With doctor Dre

I’ve thought the same, Tim. They are hiding him from us so he can say none of this sh1t is my fault. He’s also gonna get away with brexit now cos the recession following this sh1tstorm will blow that out of the water.

Fenwick wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:12 pm

He's in my basement. With doctor Dre

If social distancing is in place oki koki. I genuinely wondered where hed got to.

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:22 pm

If social distancing is in place oki koki. I genuinely wondered where hed got to.

Clearly feet up and resting. Until he's better to come back to work properly that seems sensible.

I cant stand Johnson but when you've been through intensive care even if you seem to make a good recovery you will be very weak and easily liable to relapse 6 - 12 months after

Im sure he's doing what he can in the background but for his health and well being he should not be exposed to leading a crisis like we're in with the untold pressure and stress that comes with it

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:24 pm

Clearly feet up and resting. Until he's better to come back to work properly that seems sensible.

He's out of hospital then? I didnt know tbh.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:25 pm

I cant stand Johnson but when you've been through intensive care even if you seem to make a good recovery you will be very weak and easily liable to relapse 6 - 12 months after

Im sure he's doing what he can in the background but for his health and well being he should not be exposed to leading a crisis like we're in with the untold pressure and stress that comes with it

Agreed.

A friend of mine spent 9 days in hospital on oxygen, being admitted the day before another friend died having never been off a ventilator.

He is slowly recovering at home.

This virus isn't something you recover from overnight IF you are one of the fortunate ones who manage to get out of hospital.

Leaving hospital is only part of the healing process. Boris will no doubt be back at work once he is fit enough, be that
2 weeks or 3 months.

There is some absolute baffoons on here. The bloke has just come out of intensive care from a virus that has killed tens of thousands of people.

Unfortunately I think Boris was our best chance of getting out of the lockdown anytime soon. Hopefully things start to improve soon and he can advise things can be relaxed a bit in 3 weeks.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:31 pm

Unfortunately I think Boris was our best chance of getting out of the lockdown anytime soon. Hopefully things start to improve soon and he can advise things can be relaxed a bit in 3 weeks.

Great idea , start lockdown too late, and leave too early ,brilliant

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:20 pm

I’ve thought the same, Tim. They are hiding him from us so he can say none of this sh1t is my fault. He’s also gonna get away with brexit now cos the recession following this sh1tstorm will blow that out of the water.

Trying to work out if you’re joking, I’m going to say yes

Lucky he wasn’t on a ventilator, not many come off them due to the damage it does to the lungs.

He will be back in around 7-14 days would be my guess, he’s another workaholic

Im surprised the government have turned to the experts on this messageboard whilst Johnson is recuperating.Yet another mistake...

I've no idea if the op's serious or not,if they are then the last report stated Boris was at Chequers with his pregnant fiancee.

And he'll likely be recuperating for the foreseeable future very wisely.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:38 pm

Lucky he wasn’t on a ventilator, not many come off them due to the damage it does to the lungs.

Lets hope he wasn't near a 5G mast too.............

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:20 pm

I’ve thought the same, Tim. They are hiding him from us so he can say none of this sh1t is my fault. He’s also gonna get away with brexit now cos the recession following this sh1tstorm will blow that out of the water.

File that under claret n Jews "he was pretending to be ill"

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:38 pm

Lucky he wasn’t on a ventilator, not many come off them due to the damage it does to the lungs.

He will be back in around 7-14 days would be my guess, he’s another workaholic

Now that HAS to be a joke!

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:38 pm

Lucky he wasn’t on a ventilator, not many come off them due to the damage it does to the lungs.

He will be back in around 7-14 days would be my guess, he’s another workaholic

His time as London mayor suggests he’s not a workaholic.

He’s definitely not a workaholic but if he’s as been as ill as reported he should be resting.

Anyone who has survived this wicked disease should not be the butt of jokes and snide comments. FFS surely we should celebrate a recovery.

There are some absolute idiots on this board who care for nothing but themselves and their own opinions.

I know and then you get those from the other side who can't bear any criticism, implied or otherwise, of Johnson.
The bloke's been ill, every precaution was taken to prevent his condition from worsening and he left hospital. He's probably working out how to pay the NHS back for, apparently, saving his life.
Not preventing Portuguese nurses applying to work for the NHS in future might be a start.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:57 pm

I know and then you get those from the other side who can't bear any criticism, implied or otherwise, of Johnson.
The bloke's been ill, every precaution was taken to prevent his condition from worsening and he left hospital. He's probably working out how to pay the NHS back for, apparently, saving his life.
Not preventing Portuguese nurses applying to work for the NHS in future might be a start.

He was quite specific about praising a Portuguese nurse. When did he try and stop them applying to work in the NHS?

Maybe he’s reconsidering the wisdom of going around shaking hands with everyone in a hospital with Covid-19 patients in it, whilst trying to keep the nation informed about Social Distancing.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:07 pm

I've no idea if the op's serious or not,if they are then the last report stated Boris was at Chequers with his pregnant fiancee.

And he'll likely be recuperating for the foreseeable future very wisely.

Of course... Chequers you say?a media opportunity missed. I'm surprised there was no shots of him leaving Hospital.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:57 pm

I know and then you get those from the other side who can't bear any criticism, implied or otherwise, of Johnson.
The bloke's been ill, every precaution was taken to prevent his condition from worsening and he left hospital. He's probably working out how to pay the NHS back for, apparently, saving his life.
Not preventing Portuguese nurses applying to work for the NHS in future might be a start.

Constructive criticism of the PM and the government is fine,I've flagged up failings myself,snide comments and personal attacks aren't.

Do you have a source for your claim about EU nationals not being able to apply for NHS posts,because to my knowledge no-one has stated that's the case,or will be the case even post the transition phase,another nurse that received a name check from the PM is a New Zealander,now i'm pretty sure NZ isn't a member of the EU,and yet their citizens manage to find employment in the NHS,so why wouldn't EU citizens be able to do the same,if they've got the skills required they'll be welcomed with open arms.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:57 pm

Constructive criticism of the PM and the government is fine,I've flagged up failings myself,snide comments and personal attacks aren't.

Do you have a source for your claim about EU nationals not being able to apply for NHS posts,because to my knowledge no-one has stated that's the case,or will be the case even post the transition phase,another nurse that received a name check from the PM is a New Zealander,now i'm pretty sure NZ isn't a member of the EU,and yet their citizens manage to find employment in the NHS,so why wouldn't EU citizens be able to do the same,if they've got the skills required they'll be welcomed with open arms.

Given the criteria that were announced for immigration most EU nurses would not get enough points to be allowed to come in.

Given that he's just come out of hospital it's not surprising that we're not seeing much of Johnson.

What is noticeable is how absolutely other Tories like Patel and Rees-Mogg have been sidelined. Admittedly the one time they let Patel loose suggested it was the right idea.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:38 pm

Lucky he wasn’t on a ventilator, not many come off them due to the damage it does to the lungs.

50% the last I saw.

aggi wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:05 pm

Given the criteria that were announced for immigration most EU nurses would not get enough points to be allowed to come in.

Well if that's the case there's 2 options,either they relax the criteria,or we fast-track training of UK nurses.

I might be in the minority of leave voters but migration wasn't one of the main factors in my decision,so i'm pretty relaxed about FOM,especially if it fills gaps in key worker positions,which seemingly nursing staff are quite rightly considered to cover.

aggi wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:09 pm

Given that he's just come out of hospital it's not surprising that we're not seeing much of Johnson.

What is noticeable is how absolutely other Tories like Patel and Rees-Mogg have been sidelined. Admittedly the one time they let Patel loose suggested it was the right idea.

Opportunity missed for carol vorderman to do the numbers.

I am not a Boris Johnson fan, indeed I would rather have my tadger bashed flat with a brick than vote for him. ......

However little or no attention so far has been devoted to post Corona recovery, how long it takes and if there are any lasting side effects as probably nobody knows yet, although we can see from Matt Hancock that full and total recovery is possible. But having been in intensive care as a number of posters have pointed out, Johnson must have been knocked for six health wise, and it wouldn't be surprising that it will take a fair amount of time to
recuperate.

Also nobody knows how much he is participating behind the scenes.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:11 pm

50% the last I saw.

My mother puts people on them and was telling me it’s last resort as it really damages the lungs and the lungs are already damaged and scared from the virus. I’m not sure how many actually end up on a ventilator but it’s a scary thought, even at 50/50

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:20 pm

I am not a Boris Johnson fan, indeed I would rather have my tadger bashed flat with a brick than vote for him. ......

However little or no attention so far has been devoted to post Corona recovery, how long it takes and if there are any lasting side effects as probably nobody knows yet, although we can see from Matt Hancock that full and total recovery is possible. But having been in intensive care as a number of posters have pointed out, Johnson must have been knocked for six health wise, and it wouldn't be surprising that it will take a fair amount of time to
recuperate.

Also nobody knows how much he is participating behind the scenes.

Yes theres very little on "post corona." I wonder why? It would give the public some insight and hope..... instead the media seem to thrive on Deaths and scaring folk.

aggi wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:05 pm

Given the criteria that were announced for immigration most EU nurses would not get enough points to be allowed to come in.

Qualified nurses will get preferential treatment to work in the UK under new immigration rules with the wage limit being dropped to allow them to move here.

The gov also lifted the cap on immigration numbers for medical professionals in 2018 because the limit kept being reached.

Points won't necessarily be a problem, unless they really can't speak English to a reasonable standard.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:57 pm

Constructive criticism of the PM and the government is fine,I've flagged up failings myself,snide comments and personal attacks aren't.

Do you have a source for your claim about EU nationals not being able to apply for NHS posts,because to my knowledge no-one has stated that's the case,or will be the case even post the transition phase,another nurse that received a name check from the PM is a New Zealander,now i'm pretty sure NZ isn't a member of the EU,and yet their citizens manage to find employment in the NHS,so why wouldn't EU citizens be able to do the same,if they've got the skills required they'll be welcomed with open arms.

This is hilarious. There was never constructive criticism on here of Corbyn, or Diane Abbott (who is infinitely more qualified as a human being than Priti Patel). There was just a lot of utter rubbish spouted.

So there’s no reason at all why criticism of Johnson need be constructive. In electing him the country brought a plastic fork to a gunfight. The best thing he could do right now - for his health, and for the country - is step down. By not doing so he’s depriving us of leadership in a tough time.

AndrewJB wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:44 pm

In electing him the country brought a plastic fork to a gunfight.

If that's your starting point, your preferred outcome is so obvious as to be pointless.

What I'm struggling with is this; the governments own guidelines are fairly clear, no unnecessary travel and such like. So, why has Johnson after leaving hospital not gone home to Downing Street but travelled all the way to Chequers which I believe to be in Buckinghamshire well north east of London. Doesn't that constitute a second or holiday home which the Chief Medical Officer in Scotland had to resign over after she was found to have made a couple of trips to hers recently.

Corky wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:26 pm

What I'm struggling with is this; the governments own guidelines are fairly clear, no unnecessary travel and such like. So, why has Johnson after leaving hospital not gone home to Downing Street but travelled all the way to Chequers which I believe to be in Buckinghamshire well north east of London. Doesn't that constitute a second or holiday home which the Chief Medical Officer in Scotland had to resign over after she was found to have made a couple of trips to hers recently.

AndrewJB wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:44 pm

This is hilarious. There was never constructive criticism on here of Corbyn, or Diane Abbott (who is infinitely more qualified as a human being than Priti Patel). There was just a lot of utter rubbish spouted.

So there’s no reason at all why criticism of Johnson need be constructive. In electing him the country brought a plastic fork to a gunfight. The best thing he could do right now - for his health, and for the country - is step down. By not doing so he’s depriving us of leadership in a tough time.

Not by me there wasn't,don't assume Ringo speaks for everybody on the right,or many people who voted Conservative for the first time ever in December don't have doubts about this government,but if this is the Labour pitch to the nation then they'll be in opposition for years to come,thankfully for Labour Keir Starmer has a more practical approach,and is broadly supportive of the government,albeit not without valid criticism,this is how a viable opposition party should behave,something that was sadly lacking during Jeremy' Corbyn's stint at the helm.

A genuine Andrew if Boris Johnson decided to step down who do you think will become PM,the likely candidates would be Dominic Raab,Michael Gove,Jeremy Hunt,Rishi Sunak,do you serious think any of those will make the Conservatives move left,whatever your personal feelings towards Mr Johnson,your letting those get in the way of the most likely chance of a major realignment,and the Conservatives becoming a more centrist tax & spend party,than many could have imagined even a year ago.

Like any governing party i'll judge them at the end of this electoral cycle,not in the first few months of a new government,that's the sensible way to cast your vote,whichever way your inclined.

Fair comment, tiger. The irony is, of course, after all this, the Tories will have no option but to become a tax and spend party. If they impose austerity under the guise, again, of rebuilding Britain while the gap between rich and poor continues to rise, they will face severe problems.
The goodwill is there , generally speaking, at the moment. I'm not sure Cummings should take that for granted.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:01 pm

Fair comment, tiger. The irony is, of course, after all this, the Tories will have no option but to become a tax and spend party. If they impose austerity under the guise, again, of rebuilding Britain while the gap between rich and poor continues to rise, they will face severe problems.
The goodwill is there , generally speaking, at the moment. I'm not sure Cummings should take that for granted.

If the Conservatives go down the austerity route again,their polling numbers will drop like a stone,whatever people might think of them they're not stupid,and pragmatism more often than not wins the day,the interesting aspect to me is what approach does Keir Starmer take post this crisis,if the Conservatives adopt tax and spend policies,and also favour additional borrowing,which with interest rates at a record low they should,certainly in the early years of this parliament,then it doesn't leave Labour much manoeuvre to carve out a distinctive niche with the electorate,of course there's always the chance of the government making a horlicks of the trade negotiations,but i suspect again their pragmatism will ensure some form of agreement is reached,whether that will be this calendar year is doubtful i'd say,i'd expect an extension to be agreed in early summer,i don't see any other options in the current climate,and this could actually aid both the EU 27 and the Conservatives,even prior to the CV hitting,i expected an extension anyway,there was no way of concluding detailed trade discussions in the tight time frame that was set,but again this is useful for the Tories,the nearer to the next general election they can conclude a final arrangement,arguably the better,because then they can turn round and say to their leave voting seats in the north and midlands,look we delivered what you voted for,and it''s those seats and Scotland where Labour need to make serious inroads if their going to have any prospect of forming the next government,that's assuming that Scotland is still a member of the union by then,but that's a whole different can of worms that conversation.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:49 pm

Not by me there wasn't,don't assume Ringo speaks for everybody on the right,or many people who voted Conservative for the first time ever in December don't have doubts about this government,but if this is the Labour pitch to the nation then they'll be in opposition for years to come,thankfully for Labour Keir Starmer has a more practical approach,and is broadly supportive of the government,albeit not without valid criticism,this is how a viable opposition party should behave,something that was sadly lacking during Jeremy' Corbyn's stint at the helm.

A genuine Andrew if Boris Johnson decided to step down who do you think will become PM,the likely candidates would be Dominic Raab,Michael Gove,Jeremy Hunt,Rishi Sunak,do you serious think any of those will make the Conservatives move left,whatever your personal feelings towards Mr Johnson,your letting those get in the way of the most likely chance of a major realignment,and the Conservatives becoming a more centrist tax & spend party,than many could have imagined even a year ago.

Like any governing party i'll judge them at the end of this electoral cycle,not in the first few months of a new government,that's the sensible way to cast your vote,whichever way your inclined.

It’s not a Labour pitch. It’s a statement of fact that people who for years rabbitted on that Corbyn was an “enemy to Britain” and any of the other innumerable press smears against him, are now claiming that criticism of Johnson is unpatriotic, or somehow unfair. Likely again informed by the right wing media everyone claims they don’t read.

Johnson is a lightweight. His record speaks for itself. It’s obvious that when even rightwing bloggers talk about the paralysis during the weeks when we should have been preparing, that we’ve had no decisive leadership on this. Herd immunity followed by an about face a week later shows he made the wrong decision - a catastrophic move for many who’ve died. Catching it himself - likely as a result of ignoring the scientific evidence makes him an idiot too. Being sick doesn’t exonerate him from these failures. If he’s not well enough to do his job, he should step aside and let someone else do it. I don’t care who it is, because although I have little regard for them, anyone healthy will do a better job of leading right now.

I think you'd get more respect if you'd let it go sometimes.
It seems everything is so serious to you

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:30 pm

If the Conservatives go down the austerity route again,their polling numbers will drop like a stone,whatever people might think of them they're not stupid,and pragmatism more often than not wins the day,the interesting aspect to me is what approach does Keir Starmer take post this crisis,if the Conservatives adopt tax and spend policies,and also favour additional borrowing,which with interest rates at a record low they should,certainly in the early years of this parliament,then it doesn't leave Labour much manoeuvre to carve out a distinctive niche with the electorate,of course there's always the chance of the government making a horlicks of the trade negotiations,but i suspect again their pragmatism will ensure some form of agreement is reached,whether that will be this calendar year is doubtful i'd say,i'd expect an extension to be agreed in early summer,i don't see any other options in the current climate,and this could actually aid both the EU 27 and the Conservatives,even prior to the CV hitting,i expected an extension anyway,there was no way of concluding detailed trade discussions in the tight time frame that was set,but again this is useful for the Tories,the nearer to the next general election they can conclude a final arrangement,arguably the better,because then they can turn round and say to their leave voting seats in the north and midlands,look we delivered what you voted for,and it''s those seats and Scotland where Labour need to make serious inroads if their going to have any prospect of forming the next government,that's assuming that Scotland is still a member of the union by then,but that's a whole different can of worms that conversation.

I’m sure there’ll be plenty for Labour to do. This crisis illustrates what a wasted decade we’ve had with austerity. Even with their media cheerleaders, the Tories aren’t going to be able to escape the blame for that. Their philosophy of the last forty years has suffered two major collisions with reality. The financial crisis, and and now the Covid response. It is now in tatters, and things won’t go back to how they were. When people can point out that homelessness was ended in one weekend, they won’t be able to say “it’s too complicated” in the future. The NHS? That’ll be off the table in trade discussions now. And whatever the Tories do, it will never be as much as what Labour offer.

I noticed Sunak has created £200Billion through quantitative easing. Paul Waine must be chewing his beard in rage at such economic heresy.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:56 pm

I think you'd get more respect if you'd let it go sometimes.
It seems everything is so serious to you

Translation: “I can’t refute what you say, so I’ll accuse you of having a mental problem instead.”

There you go again. What's happening to us all is probably a once in a lifetime experience.
I'm using the opportunity to take my foot of the gas and think more about life and what it really means.
My post was meant to be helpful and I concede that the bit about respect was unnecessary.
You brought up the bit about mental health and the only relevance I can give that is that it is an even more serious issue, if that can be so, because of this horrible situation.

Bizarre.