Anyone remember this happening in the England v West Germany 1970 World Cup quarter-final?

[Stan Tastic]

I watched this as a kid back in 1970 but can't remember this incident. It's the sort of thing that should be burnt into your memory cells forever and the most appalling piece of refereeing I've ever seen.

Go to 8 minutes 44 seconds into the video and judge for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3JBN1vAe0

[Devils_Advocate]

It was 1970, Bell should have been ashamed he went to ground so easily and should have spent the day in his village stocks when he got back home

[IanMcL]

Remember watching it at the time.

England were coasting. Took off Bobby Charlton and West Germany all grew 6 inches.

[Tricky Trevor]

Stonewaller but it was West Germany.

[Stan Tastic]

Even Burnley would've been awarded a penalty for that. Beckenbauer absolutely cleans him out and the ref is stood about 10 yards away looking straight at it. Absolutely robbed.

[Tricky Trevor]

Even Burnley would've been awarded a penalty for that. Beckenbauer absolutely cleans him out and the ref is stood about 10 yards away looking straight at it. Absolutely robbed.

Have you not noticed the theme in major tournaments?
Mexico ‘70
Maradona ‘86
Beckham ‘98
Rooney ‘94 +Campbells disallowed winner, same game.
Lampards goal ‘10

We always get robbed.

[tim_noone]

Have you not noticed the theme in major tournaments?
Mexico ‘70
Maradona ‘86
Beckham ‘98
Rooney ‘94 +Campbells disallowed winner, same game.
Lampards goal ‘10

We always get robbed.

Karma for 66 ?

[timshorts]

Karma for 66 ?

Then there was Lineker throwing himself to the ground when England should have lost to Cameroon.

[groove]

Have you not noticed the theme in major tournaments?
Mexico ‘70
Maradona ‘86
Beckham ‘98
Rooney ‘94 +Campbells disallowed winner, same game.
Lampards goal ‘10

We always get robbed.

Rooney '04 I presume you mean. We certainly don't seem to get the rub of the green in tournaments. Why on earth did he take Charlton off in this game.

[Burnley1989]

I watched this as a kid back in 1970 but can't remember this incident. It's the sort of thing that should be burnt into your memory cells forever and the most appalling piece of refereeing I've ever seen.

Go to 8 minutes 44 seconds into the video and judge for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3JBN1vAe0

One thing I did notice is how little the appeal was and no shouting and screaming at the referee for such a stone wall penalty

[nil_desperandum]

Rooney '04 I presume you mean. We certainly don't seem to get the rub of the green in tournaments. Why on earth did he take Charlton off in this game.

It's no secret why he took Charlton off. It was because Ramsey thought the game was won and with very high temperatures and altitude in Mexico he wanted to ensure that Charlton, (our oldest and most influential player) was fresh for the semi-final.
It's exactly the opposite of what Dyche would have done with his "one game at a time mantra" and was a big mistake by Ramsey, (even though there was some logic in it).
Charlton wasn't happy: “I’d never felt so well,” Charlton later said. “I felt I could run all day, even though we were in Léon and 6,000ft up.”

[groove]

It's no secret why he took Charlton off. It was because Ramsey thought the game was won and with very high temperatures and altitude in Mexico he wanted to ensure that Charlton, (our oldest and most influential player) was fresh for the semi-final.
It's exactly the opposite of what Dyche would have done with his "one game at a time mantra" and was a big mistake by Ramsey, (even though there was some logic in it).
Charlton wasn't happy: “I’d never felt so well,” Charlton later said. “I felt I could run all day, even though we were in Léon and 6,000ft up.”

Interesting. You'd think the one game at a time mantra would be all the more relevant in the knock out stages of a World Cup. This was way before my time and it's only since this lockdown I've delved into this tournament.

[Stan Tastic]

Charlton was subbed at 2-1 which is even more mystifying as there were twenty minutes to go and surely Ramsey wouldn't think it was game over at that point. The ref was Argentinian, which might not have helped given Ramsey's remarks after the 1966 match.