Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

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Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:35 pm

Just a thought .... ;)

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:36 pm

Yes

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by basil6345789 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:09 am

Yes

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:18 am

I know we're all going a bit stir crazy, but for f**ks sake that can't be a question.
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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Buxtonclaret » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:48 am

He'd have told them straight he was Fit & Proper.
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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:46 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:18 am
I know we're all going a bit stir crazy, but for f**ks sake that can't be a question.
He'd certainly have been happier with today's TV deals, than he was the day he threatened to " burn " the BBC's cameras ..... as such, he probably wouldn't have made certain comments he did about the type of people who run television. He'd have faced plenty of criticism for drawing his dividends, selling players, and banning certain members of the Press from Burnley's games and press-conferences, among other things.
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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by bfcjg » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:50 am

I think it is a very good question. At the start of his tenure most definitely yes, towards the end I would have thought not.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 am

Has anyone ever failed it?
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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:46 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 am
Has anyone ever failed it?
The money man (though none has been shown) behind the current Charlton takeover failed it

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by IanMcL » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:50 am

Bob Lord worked wonders for Burnley, before the wheels fell off.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by mikeS » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:56 am

I think Clarets4me's right, Lord would have welcomed the sky television money and understood that staying in the Premier league was vital. However, don't think he would have liked Sky calling the shots on when games were played and there would have been a clash there. I'd be less sure of him spending millions on players especially 'foreign' players. I don't think Bob did 'foreign'. We would have had an all seater stadium and good facilities for fans, but I don't think he would have increased the capacity much beyond 25,000. So not much different from what we've got now.
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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by dsr » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:12 am

bfcjg wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:50 am
I think it is a very good question. At the start of his tenure most definitely yes, towards the end I would have thought not.
Wrong. "Fit and proper" isn't an assessment of whether or not someone will be a good chairman. It's an assessment, essentially, of whether they have ever been convicted of a criminal offence.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Fenwick » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:15 am

Didn't his pies get taken to court a couple of times ?

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:26 am

Fenwick wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:15 am
Didn't his pies get taken to court a couple of times ?
Several times

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:27 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 am
Has anyone ever failed it?
Yes, the Premier League turned down a sale at Hull when they were in the top flight but the Chinese who wanted to buy it then went and bought Reading having passed the test in the Football League.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Petersa » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:27 am

If not I for one wouldn't have wanted to be the one to tell him

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:27 am

mikeS wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:56 am
I think Clarets4me's right, Lord would have welcomed the sky television money and understood that staying in the Premier league was vital. However, don't think he would have liked Sky calling the shots on when games were played and there would have been a clash there. I'd be less sure of him spending millions on players especially 'foreign' players. I don't think Bob did 'foreign'. We would have had an all seater stadium and good facilities for fans, but I don't think he would have increased the capacity much beyond 25,000. So not much different from what we've got now.
Bob didn't do foreign? Spot on, Bob did white British players.
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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Blackrod » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:39 am

Whilst he might have rubbed people up the wrong way I doubt the source of his wealth was in doubt or his intentions for the club.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:40 am

Blackrod wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:39 am
Whilst he might have rubbed people up the wrong way I doubt the source of his wealth was in doubt or his intentions for the club.
I don't think there was any wealth - he wouldn't have the funds now to go into a club and therefore wouldn't pass the test.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:27 am
Bob didn't do foreign? Spot on, Bob did white British players.
With very few exceptions, we weren't alone there .... Charlie Williams ( later better known as a comedian ) played for Doncaster Rovers in the 50's,but Clyde Best and Paul Reaney were the most well known, when I was growing up. I watched my early football at Meadow Lane, as Dad was a Notts County supporter, and they had the late Pedro Richards and Tristan Benjamin in defence in the mid 1970's ....

I suspect, for Bob, abroad was for end of season trips, which is how we've attracted the positive joyous force of nature that is " DaveManu2000 " to these pages !!

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Billyblah » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:01 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:50 am
Bob Lord worked wonders for Burnley, before the wheels fell off.
Always struggled to understand where all the money went for a succession of outgoing players as the club spiralled downward..James, Flynn, Hamilton, Hankin, Cochrane, Morley...off the top of my head...but there were far more.

And would he have passed a fit and proper test?
No

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Rodleydave » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:22 pm

The club propped up his lifestyle in the later years via the 'invoices' he submitted, usually on scraps of paper... he was always suspected of taking a little slice of money made on sales... when the new regime took over in 81, their findings were that he had taken out out several thousand pounds.. but they didn't dig back very far... was he a naughty boy... who is it at Spurs that pays himself £7million a year legally... so owld Bob took a few quid out in his back pocket... the Glaziers at Man U take out a few million every year in payments into their bank accounts. Hmmm

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:07 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:24 pm
With very few exceptions, we weren't alone there .... Charlie Williams ( later better known as a comedian ) played for Doncaster Rovers in the 50's,but Clyde Best and Paul Reaney were the most well known, when I was growing up. I watched my early football at Meadow Lane, as Dad was a Notts County supporter, and they had the late Pedro Richards and Tristan Benjamin in defence in the mid 1970's ....

I suspect, for Bob, abroad was for end of season trips, which is how we've attracted the positive joyous force of nature that is " DaveManu2000 " to these pages !!
Bob Lord was chairman of Burnley Football Club until 1981 but worth checking all the players at the club during that time.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:07 pm
Bob Lord was chairman of Burnley Football Club until 1981 but worth checking all the players at the club during that time.
I suspect a man born in 1908, in a northern English Mill Town, would have held views very different to what are the norm today, to what extent, others would know better than me ... I doubt he would have been very " woke " !

I may be wrong but out of the Liverpool, Nottingham Forest, Ipswich and Aston Villa sides who won Leagues, FA Cups and European trophies in the years up to Lord's death, I can only recall Viv Anderson as a " BAME " player. My point is that Burnley were hardly an exception at that time.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:33 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:25 pm
I suspect a man born in 1908, in a northern English Mill Town, would have held views very different to what are the norm today, to what extent, others would know better than me ... I doubt he would have been very " woke " !

I may be wrong but out of the Liverpool, Nottingham Forest, Ipswich and Aston Villa sides who won Leagues, FA Cups and European trophies in the years up to Lord's death, I can only recall Viv Anderson as a " BAME " player. My point is that Burnley were hardly an exception at that time.
It is unfortunate that some born in that same mill town since he died share a very similar attitude to that of Lord

I am pretty sure there were BAME (well B) in professional football before Lord was born

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:03 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:25 pm
My point is that Burnley were hardly an exception at that time.
Burnley had become an exception

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Corky » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:30 pm

Fenwick wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:15 am
Didn't his pies get taken to court a couple of times ?
What! Were the Meat & Potato pies whistlers.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by bfcjg » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:04 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:12 am
Wrong. "Fit and proper" isn't an assessment of whether or not someone will be a good chairman. It's an assessment, essentially, of whether they have ever been convicted of a criminal offence.
It was criminal what he dumped in Lowerhouse Lodge.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:28 pm

Apparently the first " BAME " Burnley player of the modern age was Les Lawrence, who made his debut on 24th November 1984, in a 1-2 home reverse to Bradford City, whilst scoring his first goal in a 1-1 home draw against Swansea on 15th December ....

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Transpennine » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 pm

Fenwick wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:15 am
Didn't his pies get taken to court a couple of times ?
Back to the 'Fit and proper' test, what the hell was wrong with his pies?

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:19 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:50 am
I think it is a very good question. At the start of his tenure most definitely yes, towards the end I would have thought not.
Does it work on a "continuous review" basis? I thought it was simply "pass go" then no one is bothered after that - apart from the fans. ;)

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by Fenwick » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:23 pm

Transpennine wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 pm
Back to the 'Fit and proper' test, what the hell was wrong with his pies?
I think there was a mention of this on a previous thread. Did they fall foul of the council health inspector or something like that ?

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by turfytopper » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:40 pm

Of course he would. It isn't a personality test.

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Post by Rodleydave » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:03 pm

For the truth and full story of Bob Lord's meat pies you will need The Bob Lord book... all is revealed...

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Post by dsr » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:09 pm

Transpennine wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 pm
Back to the 'Fit and proper' test, what the hell was wrong with his pies?
Nothing was wrong with the pies, but he was accused (and acquitted) of illegally sourcing meat during the war to make them.

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Re: Would Bob Lord have passed a " fit & proper owner's " test ?

Post by mikeS » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:46 am

The pies were ok but what went in the sausages during the war and the ration was anyone’s guess. There were the court cases of underweight turkeys, livestock sourced from unregistered providers across Cumbria and one court case ( the ox liver case) just prior to him becoming chairman that could have ruined him. He had a good legal team.
It’s all in part one of the book.

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Post by Rodleydave » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:32 pm

And he wrote a stinging reply to someone grumbling, in which he said he had never made a pie in his life...

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