Gangs of London

Enty1974 · Post by **Enty1974** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:39 pm

Anybody started this?

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:44 pm

Dunno, but I just listened to the Guns of Brixton.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:45 pm

Enty1974 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:39 pm
Anybody started this?

When? Channel? Time? Or is it a book?

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:49 pm

Perhaps he's in Wandsworth in the middle of a scrap and he wants to know who started it?

Enty1974 · Post by **Enty1974** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:20 pm

tim_noone wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:45 pm
When? Channel? Time? Or is it a book?

Sky atlantic
On demand
Full series

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:25 pm

I got the Sky email as well advertising it. I do intend to download it so will see how it goes.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:12 pm

Is like Gangs of New York but wiv cockerknee accents ?????

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:05 am

Wish we had more of the old type gangsters the krays & the richardsons, opening doors for old people & showing respect, getting caught & keeping things quiet from the law the complete family was well looked after, effectively doing the job the police couldn't do with certain types of criminals with no fuss, people felt safer & didn't need lock there doors at night.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:09 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:05 am
Wish we had more of the old type gangsters the krays & the richardsons, opening doors for old people & showing respect, getting caught & keeping things quiet from the law the complete family was well looked after, effectively doing the job the police couldn't do with certain types of criminals with no fuss, people felt safer & didn't need lock there doors at night.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:04 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:05 am
Wish we had more of the old type gangsters the krays & the richardsons, opening doors for old people & showing respect, getting caught & keeping things quiet from the law the complete family was well looked after, effectively doing the job the police couldn't do with certain types of criminals with no fuss, people felt safer & didn't need lock there doors at night.

I presume they didn't lock their doors because the Krays provided such good "protection"?

If the Krays were as nice as all that, who were they stealing from?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:18 am

dsr wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:04 am
I presume they didn't lock their doors because the Krays provided such good "protection"?

If the Krays were as nice as all that, who were they stealing from?

Gambling & nightclubs, protection rackets, the everyday normal sort of working class bloke had nothing to fear knowing where you stood & the line not to be crossed. Nice chaps providing you stayed in line from some of the books I’ve read.

https://youtu.be/Bk1wUKoXL20

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:26 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:18 am
Gambling & nightclubs, protection rackets, the everyday normal sort of working class bloke had nothing to fear knowing where you stood & the line not to be crossed. Nice chaps providing you stayed in line from some of the books I’ve read.

https://youtu.be/Bk1wUKoXL20

Yes, all the normal working class blokes who were minding their own business had to do was pay those nice Krays their protection money and they wouldn't have their windows smashed and their faces slashed.

Have you read any nice books about the playful games of the football hooligan gangs of the seventies as well?

barba · Post by **barba** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:54 am

Not sure the head of a major gang would have such a plummy accent.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:59 am

The only reason doors didn’t need to be locked back then, in London or elsewhere, is that nobody had anything worth nicking.

The dewy eyed love in for the Krays, Richardson’s etc. is nonsensical. They were interesting characters, from what we see and hear from film, documentaries and stories, but they were crooks - a precursor to the modern day drug traffickers, people smugglers, slave traders etc.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:33 am

It's a sense of respectability & old fashioned values, young children & women & old people not on offer, nowadays it's all on offer with no compunction, I'd take the krays & a similar ilk with the same sentiment over the breed we've got now.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:21 am

Back to the original point, I watched the first episode last night but found it a bit confusing as to who was doing what to who.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:55 am

Watched the first episode last night - didn’t realise it was on for 90mins

Lost track a little with some of the characters but find that’s often the case with “first episodes”

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:34 am

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:59 am
The only reason doors didn’t need to be locked back then, in London or elsewhere, is that nobody had anything worth nicking.

The dewy eyed love in for the Krays, Richardson’s etc. is nonsensical. They were interesting characters, from what we see and hear from film, documentaries and stories, but they were crooks - a precursor to the modern day drug traffickers, people smugglers, slave traders etc.

But you would say that wouldn't you?

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:41 am

Watched 1st episode last night too.. visually looks great so far and looks like It’s worth watching more

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:16 am

Good old British gangs having to hold out against outside interference from those beastly foreign Johnny's.

Bloody violent or what?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:29 am

I once went in a London pub before an away game many years ago cant remember the match but the landlord showed us a wall peppered with shotgun pellets that one of the Krays fired at a rival. It was a number of years before but it was almost like a shrine. Good pub though.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:12 am

Scores highly on IMDB. May just give this a coat of looking at

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7661390/

Stevie2112 · Post by **Stevie2112** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:14 pm

I'm up to Episode 6,boy is it violent!!

Enty1974 · Post by **Enty1974** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:05 pm

Completed

One of the best shows ive seen for a while
Violent is an understatement

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 pm

Are there any cockneys left in London? My friend lived in Hackney for 18 months and hardly ever met one. Krays, Jack the Hat etc were at least Londiners with an cockney accent.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:18 pm

Stevie2112 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:14 pm
I'm up to Episode 6,boy is it violent!!

How can it be violent, with those nice kindly Krays who ensured that no-one did any harm to anyone?

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:23 am

Watched episodes 5 & 6 last night

No spoilers but did anybody else initially think that they had got them the wrong way around in the episode order?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon May 04, 2020 9:33 am

Extremely violent and a bit confusing as to who's who...the opening scene made me wince a tad.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon May 04, 2020 10:24 am

Watched this first few episodes were ok end of it just felt like they were trying to out do the previous ones in terms of level of violence.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon May 04, 2020 12:32 pm

Finished it at the weekend and although the special effects are something else I felt confused by the storyline. Obviously set up for another Series but it needs to be a bit clearer because I definitely 'Lost the Plot'

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon May 04, 2020 12:41 pm

Anything the Krays touched turned to blood or sawdust. They use to take over a hard working mans pub or club and within 12 months run it into the ground, they had little business acuma.
The Richardsons from South London were a different story although violent and ruthless they were hard headed business men who ran ligitamate organisations

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon May 04, 2020 4:11 pm

An excellent series, yes very violent and a bit confusing in parts.Certain to be a follow up series when we get back to a semblence of normality.
Up there with Peaky Blinders.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon May 04, 2020 4:20 pm

I wonder if the tracksuit clad knife carrying postcode gangs are wondering why they haven't featured bruv? Seems these lot on Gangs of London is a bit more grown up innit

fanzone · Post by **fanzone** » Mon May 04, 2020 4:42 pm

Poor ending I thought.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon May 04, 2020 4:56 pm

On to episode 6 and as a poster said above, keeps switching back and forth a bit.

Wife has lost interest now, too violent, unrealistic and abit confusing who is who.
Will finish it but so far not a patch on the old classics of prison break, banshee, line of duty etc

Sean doesnt speak or suit the role if the head of it all either, his voice bugs me

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon May 04, 2020 5:01 pm

Good fun, utter nonsense, stylised violence but looks great ,in fact reminds me a bit of a flashy “ Hollywood “ style late 90’s action. Had to laugh in 1st episode where guy beats up/kills/maims a pub full of hardened thugs without a scratch on him. Didn’t really feel like London ,it ain’t no Long Good Friday for sure but well worth a look

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon May 04, 2020 6:47 pm

Top Claret, why would the Richardsons be ruthless and violent if they ran legitimate businesses. They were the Krays main rivals. There was war between them when either encroached on the others patch or attempted to pinch each other’s victims. They ran rogue businesses, protection rackets and fraudulent businesses and their torturing was on another level. There have always been foreign gangs especially in Soho with prostitution, drugs, human trafficking, property deals, protection, door heavies, boxing/gambling, time-share, etc, etc. Maltese, Italian, Yardies, Triads, Albanian, Algerian, Scots, Romanian, Chinese and any combination. London crime is now much more regionalised along with other major cities, County Lines etc. There is so much money around that they can all have a piece of the pie, until greed takes over. Then the weapons come into play and the contract killings and serious beatings. It used to be a working class thing at the lower levels although corruption would stretch right to the top. Now it is often a case of serious money financing much bigger deals than previously.
Gangs of London is about money laundering and everything that comes with it.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon May 04, 2020 7:31 pm

Fair enough Darnhill, saying that the Richardsons ran ligitamate businesses is stretching it a fair bit. They were clever business men though, who had a reputation in running successful organisations

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon May 04, 2020 7:39 pm

Certainly more brains than the Krays by general consensus, but all the gangsters that get to ‘the top’ have to be nasty pieces of work. It’s in the job description.

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon May 04, 2020 7:43 pm

When Charlie got released in the eighties there is a school of thought that in order to protect his ‘assorted business ventures’ he needed a couple of clean businesses that he could hide the shady ones behind. So I get where you were coming from.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon May 04, 2020 7:55 pm

I was art school with one of them.

I'm doing a PhD and he's on day release from prison, like the devil and God in the lift on their KitKat break.

He's now doing 34 years for being part of the biggest cocaine haul in Irish history, a few weeks after he got out.

Millwall fan, saaf land'n'... And twice as big as me.