Will You Be Downloading the App?

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Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Siddo » Tue May 05, 2020 12:12 pm

Most of the posts on Facebook and Twitter seem to be anti the coronavirus app due to its links to Cummings and Brexit activists.
Will you be downloading it?

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by StuffyClaret » Tue May 05, 2020 12:14 pm

If it contributes to me avoiding covid and potentially dying then yes
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by LeadBelly » Tue May 05, 2020 12:17 pm

Yes I will.
Though I dont do twitter and only have a handful of Fb friends so my opinion probably doesnt count ;)

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by IanMcL » Tue May 05, 2020 12:18 pm

The sinister bit is that the Government are calling it 'the NHS app' to build love for it.

It is a Government tracking app!!!!
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 05, 2020 12:21 pm

As it stands no.

From what i've seen so far the science/maths suggests the app will be ineffective and I still have concern and uncertainty about what data Cummings and his mates can get hold of and what they are able to use it for

If I see strong enough evidence and safeguards to allay my concerns about those two points then my view could quickly change
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by tiger76 » Tue May 05, 2020 12:27 pm

Don't have a smartphone so no,i'm still unconvinced it'll be helpful,but i hope to be proved wrong,as if it works as planned,it could provide a path out of lockdown.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by jackmiggins » Tue May 05, 2020 12:29 pm

Singapore results say it works.......do I believe them??

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 05, 2020 12:32 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:29 pm
Singapore results say it works.......do I believe them??
it's a different app too

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue May 05, 2020 12:37 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:32 pm
it's a different app too
If there are successful apps already working on other countries why don't we just use them instead of spending time and money creating our own?

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Grumps » Tue May 05, 2020 12:37 pm

All debated on the other thread already....

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by claretburns » Tue May 05, 2020 12:43 pm

The theory behind it is good but the fact you have to stand next to someone for 3 minutes to ensure you receive an alert if they get the virus shows it will be pretty pointless.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 05, 2020 12:47 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:37 pm
If there are successful apps already working on other countries why don't we just use them instead of spending time and money creating our own?
you need to talk to Dominic Cummings about that - doesn't his brother have something to do with it?

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by NottsClaret » Tue May 05, 2020 12:49 pm

I'm going to download the app and use 5G to update it. That's how much of a sheeple I am.
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 05, 2020 12:54 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:47 pm
you need to talk to Dominic Cummings about that - doesn't his brother have something to do with it?
Youre thinking of the Warner brothers

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 9135151104

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by KateR » Tue May 05, 2020 1:09 pm

I would certainly download it, I could care less if the Gov. know where I am, it's not an app you have to add for ever and other apps know a lot about me to. If it helps with your health then that's good enough for me as it stands with what I know today.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue May 05, 2020 1:25 pm

Yes, least I can do.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Whitgord » Tue May 05, 2020 1:33 pm

Yes I will. Can’t see it sharing anything private with “big brother “. My only concern is that it could give false alerts if it doesn’t work properly. Then you would have to get checked. If this happened lots of times, and hopefully stayed virus free, then I think you would begin to not bother getting yourself checked. Hopefully it works well and very few alarms are triggered for the vast vast majority of people.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Grumps » Tue May 05, 2020 2:12 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:37 pm
All debated on the other thread already....
.... But far more sensibly on here :lol:

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Claretnick » Tue May 05, 2020 2:34 pm

There is more information about the app here from the CEO of NHSX

https://healthtech.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/ ... ing-lives/

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by BigF » Tue May 05, 2020 2:40 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:18 pm
The sinister bit is that the Government are calling it 'the NHS app' to build love for it.

It is a Government tracking app!!!!

It may well be a government tracking app but if they wished to track anyone they could do it easily without asking you to download an app. As far as I'm concerned, if it helps slow down and then prevent the spread of the virus then I'll use the app.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue May 05, 2020 2:51 pm

I will 100% be downloading it. Its one area of thsi where the majority of us can join in and help.

As for it's "Cummings' brother" and it's "a government tracking app".............seriously, who cares about either of those points so long as it does what it is aimed to do?
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Grumps » Tue May 05, 2020 2:53 pm

The good it can do, far outweighs any perceived risk of big brother snooping.
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by fatboy47 » Tue May 05, 2020 3:08 pm

Happy for the government to know what I'm up to. No intention of bumming any cabinet ministers or showing kiddies my puppy outside the local primary.

Its really a no brainer.
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Holtyclaret » Tue May 05, 2020 3:09 pm

Makes me think whether the naysayers use fb, twitter, e bay, pay pal, banking apps, jogging apps, have Microsoft/apple accounts, find my phone, betting apps, e mail, WhatsApp, messenger, send texts etc....
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Dyched » Tue May 05, 2020 3:10 pm

The ones not downloading it will be the ones posting about not downloading it all over facebook :lol:
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by NewClaret » Tue May 05, 2020 3:36 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 12:49 pm
I'm going to download the app and use 5G to update it. That's how much of a sheeple I am.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by NewClaret » Tue May 05, 2020 3:40 pm

I wasnt going to download it, but now I know it’s Cummings himself who developed it for the sole purpose of knowing exactly where I am, I have much more faith in it having a real purpose, so I’m going to give it a shot.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 05, 2020 4:10 pm

We live in a world where people unthinkingly share information about themselves all the time on social media, have done for years and never had an issue.

Mention Cummings though and now they're showing concern about their information being harvested..
:lol:

I'll download it if we get to that point, I can delete it later.
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Corky » Tue May 05, 2020 4:28 pm

My son is an IT engineer for the Home Office.

I won't be downloading the app. Read into that what you will but I will not for obvious reason be expanding on that.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Grumps » Tue May 05, 2020 4:36 pm

Corky wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 4:28 pm
My son is an IT engineer for the Home Office.

I won't be downloading the app. Read into that what you will but I will not for obvious reason be expanding on that.
I'd be asking him to speak with his ISO if he has concerns. They have more clout than those on here.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by CleggHall » Tue May 05, 2020 5:56 pm

Downloading the App - I haven't got a mobile phone!

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Corky » Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm

And, apparently it doesn't work with Apple phones. But Oranges and Bananas are OK.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 05, 2020 6:04 pm

Corky wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm
And, apparently it doesn't work with Apple phones. But Oranges and Bananas are OK.
Now your just comparing apples and oranges (and bananas) :x

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm

I'm going to download the app then I'm going to stand outside Dominic Cummings' house and connect to his bluetooth before next indicating to the app that I have the virus. Hopefully this will then result in him being locked down.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue May 05, 2020 6:17 pm

Or put down....
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by tiger76 » Tue May 05, 2020 6:24 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 6:17 pm
Or put down....
Threatening death on someone you don't like real classy Eddie. :roll:

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 05, 2020 6:46 pm

For those that are genuinely interested in the potential success of the govt app and putting aside the data privacy concerns then I have attached a scientific study modelling the different scenarios of measures we could take and how it impacts the R value. The study as far as I know is not yet peer reviewed

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf

As well as this study one of the authors Dr Hannah Fry has also chaired an event today looking what the scientific community have learnt and understand about tracking epidemics. The free event was over subscribed but they have said they will look to share a replay of the event that I intend to have a look at

Image

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/location ... 4051031436

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Paul Waine » Tue May 05, 2020 7:31 pm

Yes, I'll down load the NHSX Covid-19 app.

I had an NHS app 4 years ago - to assist me in my heart attack recovery. It worked well for 2 years. Reminded me to take my meds, twice a day. Recorded how I was feeling, heart rate, exercise, dizzy?, breathless? - that sort of stuff. It was all, supposedly, monitored, my data assisting with heart disease with others. After a couple of years the app stopped working, it seems the NHS wasn't "bothering" anymore to maintain the software. It was a big help in my recovery. I'd like to think there are similar apps out there for others with heart disease - and other health challenges. Maybe if the NHSX covid-19 app works well, there will be further investment in other apps that can also assist with medical issues.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue May 05, 2020 8:13 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 6:24 pm
Threatening death on someone you don't like real classy Eddie. :roll:
Bit OTT !
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 06, 2020 8:02 am

No chance, I am not letting people know where I am. Without this app on your phone nobody can find out where you are.

I even give a false address when I order something online so nobody can trace my whereabouts, bit of a pain when nothing ever turns up that I order but least they don't know where I am. Pass me the tin foil.
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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed May 06, 2020 8:29 am

tiger76 wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 6:24 pm
Threatening death on someone you don't like real classy Eddie. :roll:

Christ, there's desperate and then there's this. "Threatening death"..... what a moronic thing to suggest !

Easy on the drama queenery, tiger, you'll do yourself a damage ! :lol:

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by NewClaret » Wed May 06, 2020 8:50 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 8:02 am
No chance, I am not letting people know where I am. Without this app on your phone nobody can find out where you are.

I even give a false address when I order something online so nobody can trace my whereabouts, bit of a pain when nothing ever turns up that I order but least they don't know where I am. Pass me the tin foil.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Wed May 06, 2020 8:56 am

The problem with this app idea, is that it relies on individuals to notify through the app that they now have covid. How many attention seeking tw@ts will notify they have it when the haven't? This would trigger a notification to all those who could have come into contact with this individual, spreading panic, worry and potentially unnecessary lockdown for these individuals.
I do hope the law throw the book at individuals who do this by way of a hefty fine.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Grumps » Wed May 06, 2020 9:03 am

Barry_Chuckle wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 8:56 am
The problem with this app idea, is that it relies on individuals to notify through the app that they now have covid. How many attention seeking tw@ts will notify they have it when the haven't? This would trigger a notification to all those who could have come into contact with this individual, spreading panic, worry and potentially unnecessary lockdown for these individuals.
I do hope the law throw the book at individuals who do this by way of a hefty fine.
I understood that it was the NHS who notified others once a positive test came back

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Wed May 06, 2020 9:06 am

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 9:03 am
I understood that it was the NHS who notified others once a positive test came back
That would be more reassuring. An article I read indicated that the individual would make the notification through the app.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Grumps » Wed May 06, 2020 9:13 am

Barry_Chuckle wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 9:06 am
That would be more reassuring. An article I read indicated that the individual would make the notification through the app.
The little I read was the person presses the button to say they have symptoms, that goes to whoever is managing the app, who arranges a test. If positive, the NHS then sends out the alert.
One thing to note is at some stage you need to have been close to the infected person for around ten minutes for you to receive the alert.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Wed May 06, 2020 9:35 am

Of course I will!

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by FactualFrank » Wed May 06, 2020 9:43 am

Dyched wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 3:10 pm
The ones not downloading it will be the ones posting about not downloading it all over facebook :lol:
They won't just post that they aren't downloading it. They will try and cause as much controversy as possible Hopkins-style, as nobody has given them as much attention recently due to lockdown.

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed May 06, 2020 10:03 am

Grumps wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 9:13 am
The little I read was the person presses the button to say they have symptoms, that goes to whoever is managing the app, who arranges a test. If positive, the NHS then sends out the alert.
One thing to note is at some stage you need to have been close to the infected person for around ten minutes for you to receive the alert.
This is the most confusing thing about all this. We're advised to cover up when shopping etc, for coming across people for a brief moment, and yet you have to have been in contact with someone for 10 minutes to recieve an alert.

Make your mind up, which is it ? ;)

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Re: Will You Be Downloading the App?

Post by Zlatan » Wed May 06, 2020 10:05 am

I’ll use an old phone to download it to and try it, see what happens with me data

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