BHA

[ralphdpomeroy]

I second that motion,easy to implement too,6 down = top 6 in the Champ up.This might well lead to a rapid change in tune from the bleating bottom 6,like many others i'm growing tired of their constant excuses to not restart the season.And effectively attempting to hold the remaining 14 clubs to ransom,i see the vote that was due to happen tomorrow,has once again been delayed,this constant stalling is becoming tiresome.

Not that easy to implement as it would require the same minimum vote to change the rules

[Chester Perry]

A teams best players?
What would Villa etc do during a normal season when they have injuries to a number of players?
I've never heard of a club trying to get a game abandoned due to a player being injured...

Are they going to present a list prior to any games stating who their best players are?

But Middlesbrough tried to get one postponed because of a virus - result big fine - points docked

[ClaretTony]

Not that easy to implement as it would require the same minimum vote to change the rules

That bottom six only need one club to support them and the league won’t get re-started.

[ralphdpomeroy]

That bottom six only need one club to support them and the league won’t get re-started.

Indeed and at the moment I think that might just happen ... vote later in the week not tomorrow ?

[ClaretTony]

Indeed and at the moment I think that might just happen ... vote later in the week not tomorrow ?

The one thing that might change the vote is when the current bottom three - particularly the squealing Villa & Bournemouth - realise they will go down if it doesn’t restart.

[ralphdpomeroy]

The one thing that might change the vote is when the current bottom three - particularly the squealing Villa & Bournemouth - realise they will go down if it doesn’t restart.

Yes very true if I was in charge of a bottom three club surely you'd want to take your chance on the pitch...Any other method will deposit the three of them into the Championship ...if it went to PPG the other 17 would surely just nod their heads in agreement.

[Chester Perry]

Seems incredibly convenient just as this hellhole of shiny plastic club are shrieking hysterically about how their fans would help them stay up .

Today I have been posting about an old site their supporters trust used to run called ClubsinCrisis.com on the MMT thread, my post was initiated by the general response to the Dan Ashworth comment on B teams this week.

The site is now defunct and only visible thanks to the web archive, but very much worth a look over for some historical perspective of the noughties and the financial mess that was engulfing the game then (much of it not ITV digital related), it's closure syncs pretty much with the arrival of Tony Bloom and his millions (he bought the club in 2009, but was involved behind the scenes a few years before that).

The contrast in empathy between now and then is remarkable.

[matttheclaret]

The one thing that might change the vote is when the current bottom three - particularly the squealing Villa & Bournemouth - realise they will go down if it doesn’t restart.

Think there will be hell to pay if Villa are relegated when they've played a game less than everyone else down there. Especially when they're only two points from safety. I'm in favour of it though - if there's a way to send Villa, Bournemouth and Brighton down (the three biggest moaners) all the better

[ClaretTony]

No matter which you look at it, Norwich will surely be one of the three to go.

[Zlatan]

That’s your choice, but all people have done is disagree with you.

That’s exactly what I did to you - disagree with you and you got a little tetchy.

I just pointed out that I believed you were wrong in your statement and gave an example as to demonstrate this, that’s all. I didn’t suggest footballers should shield, but I’m sure if they did then there’s no way in reality they would have any discernible risk of contracting the virus.

Sorry, but you’re talking b0llocks.

How can you expect anybody to totally isolate themselves from the rest of their household? They can minimise contact, sanitise surfaces, wash hands regularly but none of these measures guarantee that the virus won’t spread.

Suggesting that footballers should be fined for contracting the virus is hilarious.

For info look at the guides for shielding, which I have had to adhere to since the middle of March. It has been difficult, but we have done the best we can. If we can do it, it’s only a lack of intelligence and application that can prevent others from also doing it.

[Rileybobs]

That’s exactly what I did to you - disagree with you and you got a little tetchy.

I just pointed out that I believed you were wrong in your statement and gave an example as to demonstrate this, that’s all. I didn’t suggest footballers should shield, but I’m sure if they did then there’s no way in reality they would have any discernible risk of contracting the virus.

I’m sorry but I definitely didn’t get tetchy, not sure where you got that from. I just disagreed.

That’s fine, if you think that shielding can absolutely guarantee that someone won’t contract the virus then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

[Dyched]

Surely playing at neutral venues means that those clubs not playing there home games at home are at a disadvantage. So if there going to continue the league with the risk attached and allowing teams to have a disadvantage, why don’t they just configure the league standings to how it would be after every team had played each other the first time round?

[Zlatan]

I’m sorry but I definitely didn’t get tetchy, not sure where you got that from. I just disagreed.

That’s fine, if you think that shielding can absolutely guarantee that someone won’t contract the virus then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Read it again, I didn’t state “absolutely guarantee”... and you did get tetchy, another reply said something about sarcasm when I used a common phrase.

[Rileybobs]

Read it again, I didn’t state “absolutely guarantee”... and you did get tetchy, another reply said something about sarcasm when I used a common phrase.

I’m really not looking for an argument here (for once). For no reason you opened a response to me with sarcastic phrase about the penny dropping.

If you don’t think that shielding will absolutely guarantee that someone won’t catch the virus then why are we disagreeing? I claimed that shielding minimises but doesn’t eliminate the risk of catching the virus, you seem to agree.

Therefore, as it’s impossible for someone to guarantee that they can avoid catching the virus it is ludicrous to suggest that a footballer should be fined for contracting the virus - which was the original point I was making to another poster.

[ClaretTony]

Surely playing at neutral venues means that those clubs not playing there home games at home are at a disadvantage. So if there going to continue the league with the risk attached and allowing teams to have a disadvantage, why don’t they just configure the league standings to how it would be after every team had played each other the first time round?

Swings and roundabouts though. Playing your away games on neutral ground could give you an advantage.

[jrgbfc]

Tell the teams at the bottom if we can't restart they'll work out the final positions on a points per game average. 3 of the clubs would quickly change their minds.

[Dyched]

Swings and roundabouts though. Playing your away games on neutral ground could give you an advantage.

That’s what I mean. With the risk involved of restarting and the fact it isn’t very fair why not get rid of the risk and use the other unfair method of using the table after 19 games. It’d be a different story had the games got the go ahead at the correct stadium.

[TVC15]

Not sure why BHA are seriously talking about the lack of home fans giving them a disadvantage - it’s not worked out too well for them so far this season.
They seem to be just looking for any excuse - every year they are in a relegation dog fight and also have a history of struggling in the second half of the season. I actually think they have looked pretty decent under Potter so probably stand a better chance of survival this season than other seasons.

Playing on neutral grounds in front of no fans is about as level of a playing field as we can expect under the current circumstances - it’s far from ideal but nothing is at the moment...especially the prospect of losing a minimum of £50m by not finishing the season.

[Jamesy]

Think there will be hell to pay if Villa are relegated when they've played a game less than everyone else down there. Especially when they're only two points from safety. I'm in favour of it though - if there's a way to send Villa, Bournemouth and Brighton down (the three biggest moaners) all the better

Villa cannot argue with the fact that if the placings were worked out on a points per games played ratio they would still be in the bottom three. Just imagine if the league had been suspended following a bad winter and all the teams at the bottom had played a different amount of games. It would have to be decided on a points per game ratio then.

[Chester Perry]

Not sure why BHA are seriously talking about the lack of home fans giving them a disadvantage - it’s not worked out too well for them so far this season.
They seem to be just looking for any excuse - every year they are in a relegation dog fight and also have a history of struggling in the second half of the season. I actually think they have looked pretty decent under Potter so probably stand a better chance of survival this season than other seasons.

Playing on neutral grounds in front of no fans is about as level of a playing field as we can expect under the current circumstances - it’s far from ideal but nothing is at the moment...especially the prospect of losing a minimum of £50m by not finishing the season.

look at the Premier League Home and away table and you see that all the bottom six get more points per game at home than away - might not be much but it could be enough - though personally I think crowds have a part to play in this - possibly even more so on referees

https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england

[TVC15]

look at the Premier League Home and away table and you see that all the bottom six get more points per game at home than away - might not be much but it could be enough - though personally I think crowds have a part to play in this - possibly even more so on referees

https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england

But is that not nullified by not having to play away where there records are worse ?
As said no ideal way of doing this but starting on a level playing field where it is the same for everyone sounds like the fairest solution i have heard so far.
At the moment some clubs look like they are trying to find any excuse to not finish the season....and not coming up with alternative solutions either.

[Zlatan]

Isn’t there some kind of ruling for tossing a coin for fixtures that can’t be completed?

BHA are good at tossing aren’t they...?

...nope, got that wrong - They’re tossers, that’s it, that’s what I was looking for

[tiger76]

Surely playing at neutral venues means that those clubs not playing there home games at home are at a disadvantage. So if there going to continue the league with the risk attached and allowing teams to have a disadvantage, why don’t they just configure the league standings to how it would be after every team had played each other the first time round?

It's not that simple,firstly a few teams Chelsea,Palace & Southampton,have a much better away record than home,and secondly not everyone's played the same teams.Some run-in's are harder on paper,some easier,doesn't always work out that way in practice,but it has to be a factor,i accept whatever method the PL adopts,someone will be unhappy,it's trying to ensure as level a playing field as possible,as for your suggestion of taking the standings from the first round of fixtures,there's no chance teams like Arsenal,Burnley,Everton,Palace,Southampton & Watford will vote for that,this was the standings about halfway.

1)Liverpool 18 32 52
2)Leicester 19 23 39
3)Man City 19 29 38
4)Chelsea 19 6 32
5)Wolves 19 5 30
6)Tottenham 19 7 29
7)Sheff Utd 19 6 29
8)Man Utd 19 7 28
9)Crystal Palace19 -4 26
10)Newcastle 19 -9 25
11)Arsenal 19 -3 24
12)Burnley 19 -7 24
13)Everton 19 -8 22
14)Southampton19 -14 21
15)Brighton 19 -6 20
16)Bournemouth 19 -6 20
17)West Ham 18 -10 19
18)Aston Villa 19 -8 18
19)Watford 19 -21 13
20)Norwich 19 -19 12

All of those 6 clubs have everything to lose and nothing to gain under your proposal.

[Chester Perry]

But is that not nullified by not having to play away where there records are worse ?
As said no ideal way of doing this but starting on a level playing field where it is the same for everyone sounds like the fairest solution i have heard so far.
At the moment some clubs look like they are trying to find any excuse to not finish the season....and not coming up with alternative solutions either.

that may depend on how many away/home games you have left and who you are playing against in each

[TheFamilyCat]

Also in S.Times sport: Karren Brady is saying the pitches will need to be disinfected before each game....

I guess we can expect one of Burnley's opponents complaining that the wrong type of disinfectant had been used.

Karren Brady needs disinfecting

[Spijed]

"Up to eight Premier League clubs are expected to argue against the use of neutral venues and call for Project Restart to be put back at a crucial meeting on Monday"

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status ... 4606935043

[Jamesy]

Karren Brady needs disinfecting

She did after Geoff Horsfield had been up her!

[TVC15]

that may depend on how many away/home games you have left and who you are playing against in each

Yep I agree - and it’s not easy coming up with a perfect solution which suits everyone so it’s more of a case of choosing one that’s the “fairest” of the options but with an objective of finishing the season.

Brighton’s remaining home fixtures were pretty horrendous - not surprising that they prefer an option of finishing the season with no relegation.

[Chester Perry]

Yep I agree - and it’s not easy coming up with a perfect solution which suits everyone so it’s more of a case of choosing one that’s the “fairest” of the options but with an objective of finishing the season.

Brighton’s remaining home fixtures were pretty horrendous - not surprising that they prefer an option of finishing the season with no relegation.

indeed

[Spijed]

Wonder who the other two clubs are?

[Chester Perry]

Wonder who the other two clubs are?

Spurs thought to be one - UEFA income is crucial to their business model

[Swizzlestick]

Not sure why BHA are seriously talking about the lack of home fans giving them a disadvantage - it’s not worked out too well for them so far this season.
They seem to be just looking for any excuse - every year they are in a relegation dog fight and also have a history of struggling in the second half of the season. I actually think they have looked pretty decent under Potter so probably stand a better chance of survival this season than other seasons.

Playing on neutral grounds in front of no fans is about as level of a playing field as we can expect under the current circumstances - it’s far from ideal but nothing is at the moment...especially the prospect of losing a minimum of £50m by not finishing the season.

Potter seemed to get a lot of positive press but Brighton’s form before all this started was one win in 14 games.

[Spijed]

What I find strange is that teams such as Villa & West Ham will vote against the neutral ground scenario, yet by doing so will condemn themselves to relegation if the threatened points-per-game route is followed through with (The one being discussed at league 1 & 2 level).

Unless they think the PPG scenario is unlikely to take place and more likely the season voided, thus are taking a calculated risk.

I'm surprised no journalist or newspaper has been anonymously briefed on the likely outcome as nothing has appeared on twitter.

[Clarets4me]

I should have thought any Club who are being asked to travel to Brighton to play, would their own staff to disinfect the changing rooms, given what Palace had to endure a few years back ...
I was really looking forward to us hopefully sealing their fate on the last game of the season !

[NewClaret]

Swings and roundabouts though. Playing your away games on neutral ground could give you an advantage.

Agree, although I won’t lie, big advantage for us not having to play Liverpool at Anfield or City at the Etihad.

I was initially against neutral grounds but became a fan when I realised this (and that 5 of our 9 were away).

[GodIsADeeJay81]

But Middlesbrough tried to get one postponed because of a virus - result big fine - points docked

Wasn't that a flu?
They were reasonably told to use youth team players.

[Vegas Claret]

did Brighton complain about playing the FA Cup semi final at Wembley the other year ?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Considering that Brighton are the only club in the 92 to have not won a game home or away in 2020 I thought they would be bang up for neutral venues

[Tribesmen]

Funny i lived in Brighton for 15 months , well Hove really .
Now loved the place the vibe everything , even saw them play at the Goldstone ground .
Always loved Brighton ................... Now things have changed in the last 10 or so years as for football all they do is bitch as we all know .
Feck them .

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Funny i lived in Brighton for 15 months , well Hove really .
Now loved the place the vibe everything , even saw them play at the Goldstone ground .
Always loved Brighton ................... Now things have changed in the last 10 or so years as for football all they do is bitch as we all know .
Feck them .

Tribesmen ---everyone I know from that area always says they live in Hove actually ----is that close to Hove really?

[aggi]

Personally I think it's fair enough that clubs have reservations about finishing the season with substantially different rules than those applied to the first three quarters of the season.

[Spijed]

Personally I think it's fair enough that clubs have reservations about finishing the season with substantially different rules than those applied to the first three quarters of the season.

But what happens in future if games need to be played at neutral venues for whatever reason?

[Devils_Advocate]

Personally I think it's fair enough that clubs have reservations about finishing the season with substantially different rules than those applied to the first three quarters of the season.

You've got to wonder what stance Garlick would take if Burnley were in 17th or 18th and if in those circumstances he supported the current bottom 6 viewpoint then would the people on this board be quite so critical.

Luckily for us we will never need to find out but I know which one my money would be on

[Top Claret]

What if the player’s wife works in an intensive care unit?

It’s ridiculous to suggest that footballers should be capable of totally avoiding the virus.

I really can't imagine a Premier leagues bird or wife working as a nurse or a care assistant, if she does she should not be living with a premier league footballer

[dsr]

I really can't imagine a Premier leagues bird or wife working as a nurse or a care assistant, if she does she should not be living with a premier league footballer

You don't think that some of these women have minds of their own? "A Premier Leagues bird"

[Grumps]

I really can't imagine a Premier leagues bird or wife working as a nurse or a care assistant, if she does she should not be living with a premier league footballer

How dare women want their own career....

[Chester Perry]

You've got to wonder what stance Garlick would take if Burnley were in 17th or 18th and if in those circumstances he supported the current bottom 6 viewpoint then would the people on this board be quite so critical.

Luckily for us we will never need to find out but I know which one my money would be on

I have been wondering that one myself

[Paul Waine]

You've got to wonder what stance Garlick would take if Burnley were in 17th or 18th and if in those circumstances he supported the current bottom 6 viewpoint then would the people on this board be quite so critical.

Luckily for us we will never need to find out but I know which one my money would be on

Now, now DA. You know that there are some who post on here who would welcome a season back in the Championship.

Yes, it's a good question and one I've asked myself. I think we know that Sean Dyche doesn't encourage "going down" at the slightest touch in the box. Maybe we can make the assumption that Sean would make the argument that it would not be good for the club to stay up only by prematurely ending the season. Thus, Burnley would accept neutral grounds, even if, as in the 2016/17 season we hadn't won away until the Palace game.

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EDIT: 2017/18 season corrected to 2016/17 season. We won at Palace in late April. If covid-19 had come along 3 years earlier and lockdown commenced in Mar 2017 we'd have been without a win while debating how to resume the season.

[Rileybobs]

I really can't imagine a Premier leagues bird or wife working as a nurse or a care assistant, if she does she should not be living with a premier league footballer

Why shouldn't a nurse or care assistant live with a Premier League footballer?

[Devils_Advocate]

Now, now DA. You know that there are some who post on here who would welcome a season back in the Championship.

Yes, it's a good question and one I've asked myself. I think we know that Sean Dyche doesn't encourage "going down" at the slightest touch in the box. Maybe we can make the assumption that Sean would make the argument that it would not be good for the club to stay up only by prematurely ending the season. Thus, Burnley would accept neutral grounds, even if, as in the 2016/17 season we hadn't won away until the Palace game.

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EDIT: 2017/18 season corrected to 2016/17 season. We won at Palace in late April. If covid-19 had come along 3 years earlier and lockdown commenced in Mar 2017 we'd have been without a win while debating how to resume the season.

I think Dyche would have kept a dignified silence either way. Garlic and the fans, well lets just say I have my doubts