Really, aggi. So, you'd support the club signing up to Premier League rules and committing to paying Premier League wages, but only on the condition that if something happens that significantly impacts the season they can claim "no sporting integrity" so, our club can't be relegated?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFAOEZboq4Top Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:03 pmI really can't imagine a Premier leagues bird or wife working as a nurse or a care assistant, if she does she should not be living with a premier league footballer
I think you've kind of said it in your post. The club sign up to the Premier League rules and if, within those rules, there are mechanisms along the lines of those being proposed to finish the season then so be it.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:27 pmReally, aggi. So, you'd support the club signing up to Premier League rules and committing to paying Premier League wages, but only on the condition that if something happens that significantly impacts the season they can claim "no sporting integrity" so, our club can't be relegated?
What does that type of attitude do to "sporting integrity" including finishing the season and relegation - and promotion for the clubs that have earned promotion from the league below?
What I meant was that due to the virus they should be living apart. Premier league footballers are expensive commodities and need to be kept fit so they are free to kick into action when needed
There are plenty of professions where people are more required to be fit to kick into action when needed than footballers.Top Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:39 pmWhat I meant was that due to the virus they should be living apart. Premier league footballers are expensive commodities and need to be kept fit so they are free to kick into action when needed
The ideal situation would be for the Premier League to accept the principle of teams using their own grounds wherever possible; the government accepting this; and Brighton, Watford and Bournemouth failing to get safety certificates from the local police. I'm laughing just imagining it. If only ...Spijed wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:21 pm"The government is understood to have "open ears" regarding neutral venues and is prepared to discuss the matter. However a final decision is likely to rest with the police and ground safety officials, who have to grant licences to venues."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52579299
"When we can do it properly" means when there is a vaccine. Pointless writing off this season and then starting another one while the same problems exist; we can't keep on writing off season after season, all meaningless. Finishing season after season at odd times while doing our best to be as normal as possible, is better than a round of starting, giving up, starting, giving up ...aggi wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:21 pmI think you've kind of said it in your post. The club sign up to the Premier League rules and if, within those rules, there are mechanisms along the lines of those being proposed to finish the season then so be it.
If, on the other hand, there are fairly fundamental changes which hadn't been provided for, such as the rules on substitutions and venues, then I think it's fair that the clubs who feel they may be disadvantaged by those rules consider whether it's reasonable to carry on under them.
Sporting integrity obviously means different things to different people. For me I wouldn't have a huge issue with the view "there's bigger stuff going on at the moment, any way we finish the league will be a compromise, let's just write it off and start afresh when we can do it properly" but obviously others wouldn't agree with that.
Well if we're still banning mass gatherings and living in fear of people catching coronavirus in a few years time then there will probably be other things to worry about.dsr wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:52 pm"When we can do it properly" means when there is a vaccine. Pointless writing off this season and then starting another one while the same problems exist; we can't keep on writing off season after season, all meaningless. Finishing season after season at odd times while doing our best to be as normal as possible, is better than a round of starting, giving up, starting, giving up ...
Solid contingency plans would be lovely. But I don't think you can have a solid contingency plan for a situation where you don't know whether you can have 12 months' football in the year or no months, or any number in between, and you never get more than a month's notice (and that only provisional) of whether you can play next month.aggi wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 11:58 pmWell if we're still banning mass gatherings and living in fear of people catching coronavirus in a few years time then there will probably be other things to worry about.
Doing it properly doesn't necessarily mean what we had for most of this season. It can also be having solid contingency plans that clubs are aware of and can factor into their planning.
The irony, Burnley make it to the champions league but fans won’t be able to attend...the_magic_rat wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:50 amI read in Friday's "i" that an anonymous poll among our squad resulted in a unanimous vote to return to playing as soon as practical.
I suspect the mindset of players and coaching staff on football's return will have a big influence on the outcome of the remaining fixtures. I wouldn't be surprised to see us finish even higher than we are now.
You'd hope so, in sharp contrast to Danny Rose. You'd hate to have him alongside you in the trenches!the_magic_rat wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:50 amI read in Friday's "i" that an anonymous poll among our squad resulted in a unanimous vote to return to playing as soon as practical.
I suspect the mindset of players and coaching staff on football's return will have a big influence on the outcome of the remaining fixtures. I wouldn't be surprised to see us finish even higher than we are now.
Meanwhile last week he kept hearing and reading that his heritage means that he is 2 to 4 times more likely to die from the virus than his white colleagues or every single owner of a Premier League club - I must say I have a high level of empathy for his perspective. In the trenches bullets, grenades and mortars do not discriminate in that way.
Tbf, that seems to be linked with how black people live in closer communities rather than any medical evidence (blood groups etc.)Chester Perry wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:46 amMeanwhile last week he kept hearing and reading that his heritage means that he is 2 to 4 times more likely to die from the virus than his white colleagues or every single owner of a Premier League club - I must say I have a high level of empathy for his perspective. In the trenches bullets, grenades and mortars do not discriminate in that way.
You couldn't cover every eventuality but you could cover a lot more than rules that were made with no knowledge of the virus. It could encapsulate stuff such as neutral venues, testing, how many players needed to have the virus from a team before a match is postponed/abandoned, tie in to the coronavirus alert level, set time frames for when they'd be introduced, substitute rules and, importantly as you say, decide what happens if it can't be completed.dsr wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:10 amSolid contingency plans would be lovely. But I don't think you can have a solid contingency plan for a situation where you don't know whether you can have 12 months' football in the year or no months, or any number in between, and you never get more than a month's notice (and that only provisional) of whether you can play next month.
You need a solid plan, for example, for if you get to January and there is a second lockdown which is said to be only for three weeks but turns out to be 8. Another sold plan if this happens in November but is clear by Christmas. Another one for a lockdown said to be 2 months but is actually only 3 weeks. Another for if they allow limited number of fans in the grounds. Another for if the government says we can start in July but puts it off for a month, then another month, then another month, then another month, then another month ...
Basically, you can't have any solid contingency plans for more than a month in these circumstances.
There's bits of things they could do. Specifically, it comes to mind, they could establish that if they do have to decide the league on points per game, whether they will do it on total games or home-and-away weighting. At present it's a popularity contest between West Ham (1 vote for total ppg) and Bournemouth (1 vote for weighted average ppg) with the other 18 teams deciding who they like least. That could be fun!
And the managers wife is comparing it to NHS Staff having to go to work. Send them back to Gillinghamagreenwood wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:13 pmBrighton wheeled the manager out today, just in case anyone was thinking they were coming round to idea of playing.
Sadly my legs wouldn't last 90 minutes nowadays, but I agree with the point. (To add to your list - of course - a 12 hour shift in the NHS).kritichris wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:43 pmI think I'd rather play a game of footie for 90 mins than work in a supermarket (or drive a bus etc) all week.
That would be the perfect end of the season, but who knows it may still happen.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:42 pmWe should be relegating that odious club this weekend.