I agree with a lot of your post, but a tv is hardly a luxury is it? Are books luxuries? Where do you stop? Having access to tv etc. is giving the prisoners something to do to keep occupied. This is surely conducive to their mental wellbeing, which in turn benefits society upon their release. I imagine it will also reduce the amount of unrest in the prison which again is beneficial to everyone.ClaretFelix wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:58 amWhilst acknowledging that prisons have a part to play in the rehabilitation of offenders, and assisting with their integration back into society on their release, the idea of them is surely to punish them for crimes they have been convicted of by a jury of their peers.
The deprivation of their liberty should serve as exactly that, without the luxuries they have access to on the outside.
The prime function of prisons should be about safeguarding the public from these inmates, whether they are on shorter sentences due to their light fingered nature, in taking things that don't belong to them, sell drugs to vulnerable addicts, or the extreme sentences handed down to those who have a propensity to vioently assault others or that take the life of another.
As for the release on licence half way through a sentence, I find this absolutely perplexing. Why not just sentence them to that period of time and be done with it, instead of trying to pull the wool over the eyes of poor victims and claiming a job well done when lengthy sentences handed out.
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Would your system just be limited to taxpayers? What about people whose income is below the threshold or stay at home partners that don’t pay tax? If I pay £25K a year (in all taxes) shouldn’t I get more of a say than someone who only pays £5k? I also own a lot of land and property so have more invested in this country, that should give me more influence and I am white, Christian and male, that should give me even more of a say than your newly arrived, minimum wage non Christian immigrant!! Or we could leave it to the educated experienced Judges who follow the Sentencing Guidelines that the government approve?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 7:28 pmThe taxpayer needs to decide by a majority count on the punishment, when you spend your money on something you usually have the right to choose what you are paying for, the same should apply here, a fortune would be saved on MOJ costs with trials & appeals & prison costs, you would almost instantly reduce offending & repeat offending as a deterrent.
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Easiest way is to have it as part of the scratch card system surely ?
Just print them with an extra prize - maybe a picture of the hangman motif....even link it in with a nights stay for all winners at a swanky hotel before they all convene for “super sentence Saturday”
......which probably links into another idea around involving Jeff Stelling and starting a new super six competition where you predict what they are going to sentence
Castration
Electric Chair
Hanging
Life - (and we mean life)
Lethal injection
Stoned to death
Burnt at the stake
Jakub - you are really on to something here. Can I apologise for poo pooing your original idea as I’ve give it some proper thought now
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Just print them with an extra prize - maybe a picture of the hangman motif....even link it in with a nights stay for all winners at a swanky hotel before they all convene for “super sentence Saturday”
......which probably links into another idea around involving Jeff Stelling and starting a new super six competition where you predict what they are going to sentence
Castration
Electric Chair
Hanging
Life - (and we mean life)
Lethal injection
Stoned to death
Burnt at the stake
Jakub - you are really on to something here. Can I apologise for poo pooing your original idea as I’ve give it some proper thought now
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Imagine the feeling we have all had with the lock down. That's what prisoners go through every day for years, with even less privileges than us.
Prison is a massive punishment and this whole idea that is cushy or a holiday camp is lazy and just repeating the same old lines from other boring people without any real opinions.
Prison is a massive punishment and this whole idea that is cushy or a holiday camp is lazy and just repeating the same old lines from other boring people without any real opinions.
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Certainly not that would be ridiculous. We should come down hard on crime were violence has been usedFactualFrank wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:56 amIn certain states such as Alabama, yeah. You can be caught smoking cannabis on 3 separate occasions and be locked up for 25+ years.
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For example?Top Claret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:30 pmCertainly not that would be ridiculous. We should come down hard on crime were violence has been used
Edited since I posted, but I’m still intrigued. Where do you draw the line?
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To compare our token lockdown to prison is crazy, you have obviously not been in a prisonClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:23 pmImagine the feeling we have all had with the lock down. That's what prisoners go through every day for years, with even less privileges than us.
Prison is a massive punishment and this whole idea that is cushy or a holiday camp is lazy and just repeating the same old lines from other boring people without any real opinions.
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Anybody who's eligible to vote would also be eligible to vote for the 6 punishments based on the same criteria, justice needs to work for everybody, when you constantly hear people complain about so & so only got 6 years for this that & the other, they'd be none of that because you would have the opportunity to decide upon the punishment as opposed to a wrinkly old judge out of touch with the real world, probably sentenced based on quota directives depending on how full the prisons are or current public confidence with the justice system. It's a simple clear system designed to allow the public to become involved & express how they feel based on the overview before making any selections.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:12 pmWould your system just be limited to taxpayers? What about people whose income is below the threshold or stay at home partners that don’t pay tax? If I pay £25K a year (in all taxes) shouldn’t I get more of a say than someone who only pays £5k? I also own a lot of land and property so have more invested in this country, that should give me more influence and I am white, Christian and male, that should give me even more of a say than your newly arrived, minimum wage non Christian immigrant!! Or we could leave it to the educated experienced Judges who follow the Sentencing Guidelines that the government approve?
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I have personally enjoyed the lockdown it has given me the opportunity to get out and discover our wonderful countryside.
It has also made me realise all the time and money that I waste in pubs, restaurants and cafes.
It has also made me realise all the time and money that I waste in pubs, restaurants and cafes.
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Instead of postal votes perhaps we could just use our phones?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:40 pmAnybody who's eligible to vote would also be eligible to vote for the 6 punishments based on the same criteria, justice needs to work for everybody, when you constantly hear people complain about so & so only got 6 years for this that & the other, they'd be none of that because you would have the opportunity to decide upon the punishment as opposed to a wrinkly old judge out of touch with the real world, probably sentenced based on quota directives depending on how full the prisons are or current public confidence with the justice system. It's a simple clear system designed to allow the public to become involved & express how they feel based on the overview before making any selections.
We could put it on ITV at 8pm on a Saturday.
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The poor lass has had her funeral back in Lebanon.
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... s-lebanon/
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We could make it part of the National Lottery- when your number's up, off you pop.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:40 pmAnybody who's eligible to vote would also be eligible to vote for the 6 punishments based on the same criteria, justice needs to work for everybody, when you constantly hear people complain about so & so only got 6 years for this that & the other, they'd be none of that because you would have the opportunity to decide upon the punishment as opposed to a wrinkly old judge out of touch with the real world, probably sentenced based on quota directives depending on how full the prisons are or current public confidence with the justice system. It's a simple clear system designed to allow the public to become involved & express how they feel based on the overview before making any selections.
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Happy with the first five methods you list. I would also add firing squad and remove the last two which I don’t agree with. Corporal punishment and public humiliation would help too.TVC15 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:23 pmEasiest way is to have it as part of the scratch card system surely ?
Just print them with an extra prize - maybe a picture of the hangman motif....even link it in with a nights stay for all winners at a swanky hotel before they all convene for “super sentence Saturday”
......which probably links into another idea around involving Jeff Stelling and starting a new super six competition where you predict what they are going to sentence
Castration
Electric Chair
Hanging
Life - (and we mean life)
Lethal injection
Stoned to death
Burnt at the stake
Jakub - you are really on to something here. Can I apologise for poo pooing your original idea as I’ve give it some proper thought now
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Rehabilitation should be applied to crimes such as theft, fraud, gbh etc not murderers or sex offenders imo of course.
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Errrr okaaay
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You forgot the whipping !
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I think you’re missing a huge opportunity by not considering the live spectator angle. When social distancing becomes a thing of the past, think of the demand to actually attend the event! We could fill out stadiums. Maybe use regional venues such as Old Trafford and Villa park for your run of the mill murderers and then take it to Wembley for the big events such as the beheading of youths who deface war memorials.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:58 pmInstead of postal votes perhaps we could just use our phones?
We could put it on ITV at 8pm on a Saturday.
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I’d like to see a purpose built venue to support it.
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Good shout. One that allows for safe standing and maybe social distancing so we can get this show on the road ASAP.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 2:00 pmI’d like to see a purpose built venue to support it.
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The Joan of Arc Stadium ?
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What about a gladiatorial spectacle, completed only by "thumbs up " or "thumbs down " by a local dignatory.
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Joe Pasquale or maybe Les Dennis.Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 2:06 pmWhat about a gladiatorial spectacle, completed only by "thumbs up " or "thumbs down " by a local dignatory.
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Actually we might not be able to put it on at 8pm.
If we are going to execute people it would have to be after the watershed.
If we are going to execute people it would have to be after the watershed.
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I’m quite sure he does know what liberal means, it’s the self proclaimed “liberals” on this board that seem to struggle.
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Going back to the 15th century is proving more complicated than we first thought
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They hadn’t invented the electric chair, lethal injection or firing squad in that era so not going back that far (or that backward)
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Some great ideas for game shows here.
A "Running man" type would be my preferred choice where you get to pick your favourite executioner, with special moves and fancy weapons.
Could even get Arnie to be the compair. He likes a good execution doesnt he
A "Running man" type would be my preferred choice where you get to pick your favourite executioner, with special moves and fancy weapons.
Could even get Arnie to be the compair. He likes a good execution doesnt he
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Sounds perfect, I bet Simon Cowell is working on the format as we speak . Ant and Dec to front it, phone or text vote to decide who's running. Gemma Collins and Rylan doing the after show on ITV4.
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Or put a number of convicts on an island to fight it out with the survivor getting a pardon. Could call it Hunger Games or something like that.
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Why is it limited to those that can vote? I thought it was based on those who pay. If I am a well educated foreign national paying tens of thousands in tax why shouldn’t I get to decide? Rather than a semi literate oaf who gets to decide through luck?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:40 pmAnybody who's eligible to vote would also be eligible to vote for the 6 punishments based on the same criteria, justice needs to work for everybody, when you constantly hear people complain about so & so only got 6 years for this that & the other, they'd be none of that because you would have the opportunity to decide upon the punishment as opposed to a wrinkly old judge out of touch with the real world, probably sentenced based on quota directives depending on how full the prisons are or current public confidence with the justice system. It's a simple clear system designed to allow the public to become involved & express how they feel based on the overview before making any selections.
If you think Judges in criminal courts are out of touch old wrinklier that you don’t know any. What you mean to say is Judges aren’t swayed by populist opinion.
Do you know why criminal cases are R.v. Def? It’s so that all the things you are advocating- populism, revenge, racism etc aren’t included
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There'd be an hour build up first though.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 2:19 pmActually we might not be able to put it on at 8pm.
If we are going to execute people it would have to be after the watershed.
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Life sentence = up for parole after serving the minimum tariff set by the Judge and then when they are released serving the rest of their life on licence subject to recall.
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By that point, past it unemployable for the rest of the life destined for benefits thereon after, 50 or so years old & nothing to show for it unless you leave prison with a pension, drain in prison drain out of prison.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:34 pmLife sentence = up for parole after serving the minimum tariff set by the Judge and then when they are released serving the rest of their life on licence subject to recall.
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Do you also want to penalise those people that are unemployable in their 50s that are just an ongoing drain? Would they get a vote under your system? What about those that leave prison with a degree or better qualifications than when they went in?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:47 pmBy that point, past it unemployable for the rest of the life destined for benefits thereon after, 50 or so years old & nothing to show for it unless you leave prison with a pension, drain in prison drain out of prison.
Shouldn’t your criticism be directed towards those un-Christian employers that don’t believe in rehabilitation and aren’t prepared to give someone a second chance? It’s just discrimination.
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A 34-year-old man has become the sixth person to be charged with the murder of a law student in a drive-by shooting.
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If you are wise enough to keep your nose out of trouble in the first place more sympathy is afforded even if in the 50s & unemployable, I don’t blame businesses for not recruiting ex criminals or not giving second chances, if I owned a business I wouldn’t, I’d want somebody decent in through the door I could trust, when you’ve built a business up from scratch & worked your fingers to the bone it’s too much of a risk to blow it giving a ex con a job/chance. You make your bed you have to lie in it.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:45 pmDo you also want to penalise those people that are unemployable in their 50s that are just an ongoing drain? Would they get a vote under your system? What about those that leave prison with a degree or better qualifications than when they went in?
Shouldn’t your criticism be directed towards those un-Christian employers that don’t believe in rehabilitation and aren’t prepared to give someone a second chance? It’s just discrimination.
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I've seen this in the paper this morning. I work in the legal sector and I have noticed over the past 10 years that the number of Muslims in prisons has surged dramatically. This is down to social division in my eyes.
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Because we live in a democracy with laws that govern us - they’re not perfect but they’re a damn sight better that post apocalyptic Mad Max scenarios.
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What I was suggesting you couldn't think of anything more democratic if you tried, it's basically asking a large chunk of the population to decide upon a selection of punishments, i don't know about you but some people would like some sort of say where there money is getting spent. The system is outdated & anarchic in terms of justice being served, it desperately needs revamping & revolutionising.
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It’s crying out for Barry Hearn to step in and give our judicial system the darts and snooker treatment.
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Jeez! Some Posters on here seem determined to turn this Message Board into a Right Wing Toilet.
I really wouldn’t want to live in their heads.
I really wouldn’t want to live in their heads.
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You are asking for a specific section of society - the taxpayer, the landowner, the entitled, the employed.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 10:15 amWhat I was suggesting you couldn't think of anything more democratic if you tried, it's basically asking a large chunk of the population to decide upon a selection of punishments, i don't know about you but some people would like some sort of say where there money is getting spent. The system is outdated & anarchic in terms of justice being served, it desperately needs revamping & revolutionising.
People do have a say where there money is spent - it’s the general election when people spend weeks arguing about spending plans - noticeably not much is ever spent on justice and penal reform which is quite possibly why we have so many in jail and so many reoffending.
How is our current system anarchic when you’ve written that Judges just follow the rules? and as for outdated, as others have pointed out, you are wanting a medieval justice system based on revenge!
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The capital punishment would be 1 simple lethal injection with no glamour or audiences or any media coverage, actually dying with dignity even with 1 person chosen by the offender to be with them. The public need to decide & become involved in my view with the punishment selection process only after reading a overview of the nature of the crimes. It's a broad varied pool of people we would be asking from a vicar to a mechanic so you would get mixed selections, people who don't believe in capital punishment wouldn't have to select that option, it's quite possible after the overview maybe in the public's overall perception a long prison sentence would get selected, the public need to choose democratically.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 12:12 pmYou are asking for a specific section of society - the taxpayer, the landowner, the entitled, the employed.
People do have a say where there money is spent - it’s the general election when people spend weeks arguing about spending plans - noticeably not much is ever spent on justice and penal reform which is quite possibly why we have so many in jail and so many reoffending.
How is our current system anarchic when you’ve written that Judges just follow the rules? and as for outdated, as others have pointed out, you are wanting a medieval justice system based on revenge!
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I see we’re still on this.
Cool.
Cool.
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Just to confirm, you want the power to decide how someone is killed?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 12:21 pmThe capital punishment would be 1 simple lethal injection with no glamour or audiences or any media coverage, actually dying with dignity even with 1 person chosen by the offender to be with them. The public need to decide & become involved in my view with the punishment selection process only after reading a overview of the nature of the crimes. It's a broad varied pool of people we would be asking from a vicar to a mechanic so you would get mixed selections, people who don't believe in capital punishment wouldn't have to select that option, it's quite possible after the overview maybe in the public's overall perception a long prison sentence would get selected, the public need to choose democratically.
Not much of a homicidal manic much are you...
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Not just how....but whether.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 12:50 pmJust to confirm, you want the power to decide how someone is killed?
Not much of a homicidal manic much are you...
He thinks it’s his right because he has paid some tax.
Just like it’s my right to think he is batshit crazy.
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You're not the only one sitting here thinking he's batshit crazy
I'm not even sure he should be allowed out without a carer anymore.
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No, I want to be part of the process making the decision, the lethal injection comment was 1 idea how you could carry out the capital punishment action without any fuss, going off some of the other posts making my idea out to be some kind of X factor style arrangement where you get phone ins & poking fun as if I was suggesting some kind of fun spectacle. The idea is to simply put it to the public to decide on sentencing as opposed to a judge, justice would work for everybody on a democratic basis.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 12:50 pmJust to confirm, you want the power to decide how someone is killed?
Not much of a homicidal manic much are you...