Dominic Cummings

[GodIsADeeJay81]

And wasn't one of the assorted weirdos he employed very keen on eugenics?

Roll back a few decades...

He was racist, saying black people have a lower IQ than white people, which is clearly garbage

He also suggested compulsory contraception to prevent the creation of permanent underclass.

I don't agree with that comment about contraception either but there is a potential discussion to be had about permanent underclass.

[Zlatan]

Not sure breaching some rules in a guy off the internets mind is a sackable offence, in any profession though pal

We’ll see next Tuesday... pal

[Devils_Advocate]

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So if he didnt break the rules, and it's not about Brexit, or because he's a Tory, then what is all the fuss about?
Some of you are being dishonest
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/12 ... 45280?s=19

If youre interested Damo the use of the word 'might' by the police has a different meaning/interpretation than we might use in normal conversation

In a legal context and considering it as part of the full police response the interpretation is that this indicates the police concluded it was a breach of the law

https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/sta ... 3955819520

[RingoMcCartney]

Probably when Johnson releases the evidence that shows it was false. He was asked to release it yesterday but refused so it's pretty difficult to confirm whether it is true or not.

DC wouldn't have mentioned sat nav and phone records if he wasnt sure he was on solid ground.
If it's good enough for the prime minister, its the end of it. There's nothing you or anybody else can do about it.
Like I say I wont hold my breath for the embarrassing retraction. They'll probably be glad of the Emily Maitliss breaching BBC guidelines to deflect their shortcomings!

With Maitliss, the focus on who has broken rules has moved on from DC. For your own well being , perhaps , you should too.

[Leisure]

Would you still fine people if they deliberately drove to Barnard castle?

Not if they were checking out their eyesight!

[Tall Paul]

If youre interested Damo the use of the word 'might' by the police has a different meaning/interpretation than we might use in normal conversation

In a legal context and considering it as part of the full police response the interpretation is that this indicates the police concluded it was a breach of the law

https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/sta ... 3955819520

Even in normal conversation "might have been" definitely doesn't mean "wasn't", as Damo seems to think

[AndrewJB]

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... t.html?m=1

The attorney general showing everyone how stupid she is.

[aggi]

DC wouldn't have mentioned sat nav and phone records if he wasnt sure he was on solid ground.
If it's good enough for the prime minister, its the end of it. There's nothing you or anybody else can do about it.
Like I say I wont hold my breath for the embarrassing retraction. They'll probably be glad of the Emily Maitliss breaching BBC guidelines to deflect their shortcomings!

With Maitliss, the focus on who has broken rules has moved on from DC. For your own well being , perhaps , you should too.

Who knows. If they're on solid ground then refusing to release them does look a bit weird and obviously our PM isn't the most honest of individuals.

It wasn't me complaining about it. I was just pointing out that given the PM, for reasons known only to himself, refuses to release the evidence to disprove those stories then it's pretty unlikely they will retract them.

I guess the police have stated that Cummings did breach the rules so that position seems clear. Just glad I wasn't one of those saying it all seemed reasonable.

[Grumps]

Footballs back
You can now meet your family again
Yet this old news is still being discussed?
How thick are the reporters in the briefing, do they really think Boris is going to admit he's wrong?
I'd much rather them ask questions which would be of interest to all of us.. How will the easing work.... What's next... Etc etc, but no, they want to show how clever they are by getting a sly dig in, not serving the public by any means.

[Greenmile]

Footballs back
You can now meet your family again
Yet this old news is still being discussed?
How thick are the reporters in the briefing, do they really think Boris is going to admit he's wrong?
I'd much rather them ask questions which would be of interest to all of us.. How will the easing work.... What's next... Etc etc, but no, they want to show how clever they are by getting a sly dig in, not serving the public by any means.

So now holding the govt to account isn’t serving the public?

And we should shrug off being patronised, lied to, and generally treated like idiots by our PM, his unelected chief adviser, and half the cabinet because “football’s back”?

These defences of Cummings seem to be getting feebler by the day?

[Damo]

Even in normal conversation "might have been" definitely doesn't mean "wasn't", as Damo seems to think

It doesnt mean "was" either, as you and some other people seem to think.
Seems strange to are more inclined than the police or CPS to prosecute someone
Do you employ this method of conviction to all people, or just the ones who masterminded brexit?

[Devils_Advocate]

I think you're on FB.

Our local MP last night.

https://www.facebook.com/11030114375449 ... 140448794/

Not sure what your point was of sharing this with me unless it was to show via the comments section that you were't the only obsessed Brexit bedwetter in town

Anyhow its interesting to see the kind of thinking you you align yourself with and the fact you are happy to share it shows you aren't embarrassed by it so bully for you.

Much prefer your funny stuff as the Cummings golf meme was one of best Ive seen

[Tall Paul]

It doesnt mean "was" either, as you and some other people seem to think.
Seems strange to are more inclined than the police or CPS to prosecute someone
Do you employ this method of conviction to all people, or just the ones who masterminded brexit?

Can you show me where I've indicated that I think it means "was"?

[Greenmile]

It doesnt mean "was" either, as you and some other people seem to think.
Seems strange to are more inclined than the police or CPS to prosecute someone
Do you employ this method of conviction to all people, or just the ones who masterminded brexit?

I think TP was just trying to correct your erroneous (or false) claim that Cummings “didn’t break the rules”, because the evidence you provided in support of that claim doesn’t say what you seem to think it says.

[Grumps]

So now holding the govt to account isn’t serving the public?

And we should shrug off being patronised, lied to, and generally treated like idiots by our PM, his unelected chief adviser, and half the cabinet because “football’s back”?

These defences of Cummings seem to be getting feebler by the day?

It's been a week ffs,
Do you actually think anything is going to change now
But, carry on flogging that dead horse

[Greenmile]

It's been a week ffs,
Do you actually think anything is going to change now
But, carry on flogging that dead horse

You’re going to need to tell me how long I’m allowed to care about the govt taking the **** out of everyone who’s suffered because of the lockdown rules they introduced but then decided shouldn’t apply to their mates, because I never realised there was some kind of statute of limitations.

I mean, I’m still ****** off with the Iraq war, and that was ages ago.

[Burnley Ace]

These defences of Cummings seem to be getting feebler by the day?

There doesn’t need to be any defence - he went on an unnecessary drive to Barnard Castle, he thought it was and police would have asked him to go home. In the same way that Kinnock and Ali thought they were right.

What is getting feebler and more transparent is that this was purely a political opportunity to attack Cummings and how Starmer can stand there with a straight face and say they have wasted a week when it’s his party that has orchestrated this vendetta beggars belief.

[Greenmile]

There doesn’t need to be any defence - he went on an unnecessary drive to Barnard Castle, he thought it was and police would have asked him to go home. In the same way that Kinnock and Ali thought they were right.

What is getting feebler and more transparent is that this was purely a political opportunity to attack Cummings and how Starmer can stand there with a straight face and say they have wasted a week when it’s his party that has orchestrated this vendetta beggars belief.

...and now we’re back on the (very) slightly firmer ground of some good old whataboutery.

I never realised the likes of Daily Mail and about 60 Tory MPs (at last count) could be “orchestrated” by the Labour Party. They should try using that power a bit more often, I reckon.

[Damo]

Can you show me where I've indicated that I think it means "was"?

My bad.
Think I may have confused you with one of the other people on here, who seem to have exactly the same thoughts and opinions when it comes to politics.

[AlargeClaret]

Crikey are the left STILL flogging this dead horse ? While personally I think DC should have gone ,seems the whole stitch up ( for that is what it was ) is not going to see off the bogeyman after all . The Newsnight bias was simply appalling

[Damo]

I think TP was just trying to correct your erroneous (or false) claim that Cummings “didn’t break the rules”, because the evidence you provided in support of that claim doesn’t say what you seem to think it says.

I'm working on the basis that people are generally not convicted of anything, based on what the police think might have happened

[Burnley Ace]

I never realised the likes of Daily Mail and about 60 Tory MPs (at last count) could be “orchestrated” by the Labour Party. They should try using that power a bit more often, I reckon.

They were responding to misrepresentation put about by Labour and their supporters whose obvious strategy was to make Cummings such a distraction that he was an obstacle. Fortunately it became so transparent that was all they had that BJ didn’t capitulate to the political pressure.

Cummings may still go as there are many who won’t accept the outcome of the police investigation and will still push their own agenda.

[Grumps]

You’re going to need to tell me how long I’m allowed to care about the govt taking the **** out of everyone who’s suffered because of the lockdown rules they introduced but then decided shouldn’t apply to their mates, because I never realised there was some kind of statute of limitations.

I mean, I’m still ****** off with the Iraq war, and that was ages ago.

If you read my post it was about the press, not you

Even they don't talk about Blair or Campbell anymore, and that's not even on the same planet as a drive to a town in the North East.

[martin_p]

He’s not a politician which was the group that had been referred to

Neither is Cummings, so treat him the same.

[martin_p]

With Maitliss, the focus on who has broken rules has moved on from DC. For your own well being , perhaps , you should too.

So you don’t follow any media at all then. If you think the focus has moved on you can’t have!

[martin_p]

Footballs back
You can now meet your family again
Yet this old news is still being discussed?
How thick are the reporters in the briefing, do they really think Boris is going to admit he's wrong?
I'd much rather them ask questions which would be of interest to all of us.. How will the easing work.... What's next... Etc etc, but no, they want to show how clever they are by getting a sly dig in, not serving the public by any means.

They don’t get a straight answer to any question by Johnson so probably don’t see the point.

[Greenmile]

If you read my post it was about the press, not you

Even they don't talk about Blair or Campbell anymore, and that's not even on the same planet as a drive to a town in the North East.

Sorry, but when you quoted my post and said (in part) "But, carry on flogging that dead horse ", I presumed you were talking to me, not the press. I hate to break it to you, but I'm not sure many members of the national press will have even read your post.

[Grumps]

They don’t get a straight answer to any question by Johnson so probably don’t see the point.

But yet the questions that did get answered were the type I suggested

[martin_p]

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So if he didnt break the rules, and it's not about Brexit, or because he's a Tory, then what is all the fuss about?
Some of you are being dishonest
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/12 ... 45280?s=19

Where does it say he didn’t break the rules. In fact in the full police statement the bit that is mysteriously absent from Beth Rugby’s tweet says that if the police had stopped him in Barnard Castle they’d likely have told him to get back to Durham immediately and only if he’d complied would there have been no further action.

‘Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken.’

If they don’t think he was breaking lockdown why would they say that?

[Greenmile]

I'm working on the basis that people are generally not convicted of anything, based on what the police think might have happened

So when you said "he didn't break the rules", you actually meant "he's not been convicted of anything"?

Well, that's a stunning revelation. Have you told the papers yet?

[martin_p]

But yet the questions that did get answered were the type I suggested

So if they were asking the type of question you wanted them to ask what is your problem?

[Grumps]

Sorry, but when you quoted my post and said (in part) "But, carry on flogging that dead horse ", I presumed you were talking to me, not the press. I hate to break it to you, but I'm not sure many members of the national press will have even read your post.

I only quoted your post because it was a reply to mine about the press

[Greenmile]

I only quoted your post because it was a reply to mine about the press

Ok. I think I understand now. I'm allowed to still care, but the press aren't.

What's the statute of limitations for them? or do you decide on a case-by-case basis?

[Grumps]

So if they were asking the type of question you wanted them to ask what is your problem?

Probably the other 95% of the questions.

[martin_p]

Ok. I think I understand now. I'm allowed to still care, but the press aren't.

What's the statute of limitations for them? or do you decide on a case-by-case basis?

I think it depends on the amount of embarrassment Grumps feels on behalf of the government.

[Damo]

So when you said "he didn't break the rules", you actually meant "he's not been convicted of anything"?

Well, that's a stunning revelation. Have you told the papers yet?

Why would i tell the papers?
I posted it on clarets mad. I dont suppose they will be interested that you lost your sh*t over it.

[Greenmile]

Why would i tell the papers?
I posted it on clarets mad. I dont suppose they will be interested that you lost your sh*t over it.

That bit was sarcasm, Damo. Sorry for confusing you again with tricksy language.

[mdd2]

I’ll acknowledge that there are elements who won’t let it drop because of Brexit, but the majority of commentators and people are alike me in that there is a real fear for democracy here.

Yes the hue and cry we are seeing all the time it seems is not good for democracy.
Not only is the baby at risk the bath is too.

[tiger76]

There doesn’t need to be any defence - he went on an unnecessary drive to Barnard Castle, he thought it was and police would have asked him to go home. In the same way that Kinnock and Ali thought they were right.

What is getting feebler and more transparent is that this was purely a political opportunity to attack Cummings and how Starmer can stand there with a straight face and say they have wasted a week when it’s his party that has orchestrated this vendetta beggars belief.

So because this excuse for a government can't organise anything it's all Keir Starmer's fault err OK.

Was it Keir Starmer that forced Mr Cummings to drive north,and even you admit that the trip to Barnard Castle wasn't necessary.

From what i know of the Kinnock and Ali cases,Kinnock's probably not broken any social distancing rules as he was delivering supplies to his parents i believe,and that was within the guidelines.

Ali if he attended a funeral as reported along with 100 others,then i'd see that as being questionable mainly due to the size of the gathering along with other things,now i believe both these incidents occurred before Starmer won the Labour leadership so just as it's not right for the police to issue respective fines for breaching lockdown rules,then you can't really expect him to issue his MP'S with respective punishments.

Are Labour playing politics with this probably but that's the nature of the game i'm afraid,and they all do it.

I'd say the bigger problem for the Conservatives is their own growing revolt among the back benchers.

[Zlatan]

Can I ask how many of you supporting Dominic Cummings who is an un-elected Bureaucrat, also voted for Brexit to rid our country of un-elected Bureaucrats - from my knowledge of the posters on this forum - its all of them.

Hypocrites all of you, all those of us who are questioning the actions of our PM and DC are wanting is honesty; humility; and integrity from them in this difficult time. Unfortunately the good old PM's dictionary only goes up to corrupt; disingenuous; and deceitful; - all other pages appear to have been ripped out.

[Grumps]

I think it depends on the amount of embarrassment Grumps feels on behalf of the government.

[Swizzlestick]

Yes the hue and cry we are seeing all the time it seems is not good for democracy.
Not only is the baby at risk the bath is too.

DC is certainly a Labour of Love for Boris.

[Grumps]

Can I ask how many of you supporting Dominic Cummings who is an un-elected Bureaucrat, also voted for Brexit to rid our country of un-elected Bureaucrats - from my knowledge of the posters on this forum - its all of them.

Hypocrites all of you, all those of us who are questioning the actions of our PM and DC are wanting is honesty; humility; and integrity from them in this difficult time. Unfortunately the good old PM's dictionary only goes up to corrupt; disingenuous; and deceitful; - all other pages appear to have been ripped out.

All of them? What a ridiculous statement. I can prove you wrong from the start

[Zlatan]

All of them? What a ridiculous statement. I can prove you wrong from the start

just thought I'd try the absolutes that the supporters of Cummings have been doing on here...

[Burnley Ace]

So because this excuse for a government can't organise anything it's all Keir Starmer's fault err OK.

Was it Keir Starmer that forced Mr Cummings to drive north,and even you admit that the trip to Barnard Castle wasn't necessary.

From what i know of the Kinnock and Ali cases,Kinnock's probably not broken any social distancing rules as he was delivering supplies to his parents i believe,and that was within the guidelines.

Ali if he attended a funeral as reported along with 100 others,then i'd see that as being questionable mainly due to the size of the gathering along with other things,now i believe both these incidents occurred before Starmer won the Labour leadership so just as it's not right for the police to issue respective fines for breaching lockdown rules,then you can't really expect him to issue his MP'S with respective punishments.

Are Labour playing politics with this probably but that's the nature of the game i'm afraid,and they all do it.

I'd say the bigger problem for the Conservatives is their own growing revolt among the back benchers.

Kinnock drove to his parents to celebrate a birthday by sitting by the front door and eating cake - he then tried to pretend he was delivering food before, facing the evidence on Twitter, accepted he’d got it wrong.

Starmer has been leader of Labour since 4th April, Kinnock was at his parents the week before. They were all dealt with proportionally- words of advice and a reminder. That’s how this should have been dealt with and it would have also given Cummings the opportunity to apologise for driving to BC without the mob baying for his head

[tiger76]

Can I ask how many of you supporting Dominic Cummings who is an un-elected Bureaucrat, also voted for Brexit to rid our country of un-elected Bureaucrats - from my knowledge of the posters on this forum - its all of them.

Hypocrites all of you, all those of us who are questioning the actions of our PM and DC are wanting is honesty; humility; and integrity from them in this difficult time. Unfortunately the good old PM's dictionary only goes up to corrupt; disingenuous; and deceitful; - all other pages appear to have been ripped out.

I voted for Brexit and one of the reasons was the lack of accountability in the EU in my opinion,but as you well know i'm definitely not defending Cummings,i can see the irony as can others that many of the PM and Dominic Cummings most avid defenders are Brexiteers.

They might wish to live in a country where there's no way of holding our elected representatives to account,but i most certainly do not,and that's true regardless of the party in power.

Dominic Cummings is a civil servant the clue is in the title he's supposed to serve the public.

[Greenmile]

Kinnock drove to his parents to celebrate a birthday by sitting by the front door and eating cake - he then tried to pretend he was delivering food before, facing the evidence on Twitter, accepted he’d got it wrong.

Starmer has been leader of Labour since 4th April, Kinnock was at his parents the week before. They were all dealt with proportionally- words of advice and a reminder. That’s how this should have been dealt with and it would have also given Cummings the opportunity to apologise for driving to BC without the mob baying for his head

I can only speak for myself, but if he had apologised and admitted he did the wrong thing, I wouldn’t be calling for him to be sacked now.

However, he didn’t do that. Instead he’s made out that what he did was totally fine, and implied all those folk who complied with the letter and spirit of the lockdown rules just don’t care about their families as much as he does, and half the cabinet have ended up saying the same thing just to protect him, or, more likely, themselves - I’m sure he knows where a few bodies are buried (for Damo’s benefit, that’s just a metaphor).

[martin_p]

Kinnock drove to his parents to celebrate a birthday by sitting by the front door and eating cake - he then tried to pretend he was delivering food before, facing the evidence on Twitter, accepted he’d got it wrong.

Starmer has been leader of Labour since 4th April, Kinnock was at his parents the week before. They were all dealt with proportionally- words of advice and a reminder. That’s how this should have been dealt with and it would have also given Cummings the opportunity to apologise for driving to BC without the mob baying for his head

He’s had plenty of opportunity to apologise, he could have done it the first day the story broke and it’d have gone away by now. But it’s the refusal to accept that he’s made a mistake and the refusal of the PM to put him right that has driven the story.

[Zlatan]

I voted for Brexit and one of the reasons was the lack of accountability in the EU in my opinion,but as you well know i'm definitely not defending Cummings,i can see the irony as can others that many of the PM and Dominic Cummings most avid defenders are Brexiteers.

They might wish to live in a country where there's no way of holding our elected representatives to account,but i most certainly do not,and that's true regardless of the party in power.

Dominic Cummings is a civil servant the clue is in the title he's supposed to serve the public.

Oh I agree tiger76 - there are a lot of people across the whole spectrum of politics who despise what has transpired, my comment was to highlight that most of (OK, not all as I originally alluded to) those who are defending him and Boris are also full on Brexiteers.

For the record, I voted Leave too, but that’s a long time ago and I was swayed only on the last day before the vote. I have since learnt how I (yes, this is me admitting it) was swayed by certain social media tactics which have been demonstrated to be engineered by AIQ and Cambridge Analytica - and we all know who selected AIQ - Dominic Cummings. He had lots to answer for, and unfortunately it looks like he’s getting away with it...

[Tall Paul]

My bad.
Think I may have confused you with one of the other people on here, who seem to have exactly the same thoughts and opinions when it comes to politics.

I accept your half-arsed apology.

For what it's worth, I do think the police statement indicates that Cummings breached the rules, but it's the part when it said that they'd have asked him to go back to where he came from if they had stopped him on his trip, which is (conveniently?) missing from the tweet you screenshotted, that led me to that conclusion.