Robert Jenrick has he been a naughty boy?

[tiger76]

Amidst all the other news this story seems to have slipped under the radar,whereas normally it'd be front-page headlines,i don't expect him to resign though nobody in this cabinet has the honour to even do that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52826751

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Is anybody surprised. Totally corrupt government. He probably had to get it vetted by Dominic?

[Zlatan]

I'm waiting for the honest politician to crawl out from the cesspit of Westminster... I may be here some time...

[Spijed]

I bet he lives in a nice house, drives a nice car, eats very well and drinks fine wine.

Any surprise?

[Devils_Advocate]

I bet he lives in a nice house, drives a nice car, eats very well and drinks fine wine.

Any surprise?

He has three lovely houses.

One in his consistency which he has claimed around £100k in expenses

One in London where his kids go to school and his wife works

One in the country that he rarely visits and declares under the anti sleaze guidelines because its not the main family home - however when he shifted his family and himself there for the period of lockdown going against his own govts guidance on 2nd homes he has now suddenly claimed its his main residence - rather amusing when he or his wife dont work near there, his kids dont go to school there and local residents say they rarely see him there

Basically he's just another typical Tory

[dsr]

He has three lovely houses.

One in his consistency which he has claimed around £100k in expenses

One in London where his kids go to school and his wife works

One in the country that he rarely visits and declares under the anti sleaze guidelines because its not the main family home - however when he shifted his family and himself there for the period of lockdown going against his own govts guidance on 2nd homes he has now suddenly claimed its his main residence - rather amusing when he or his wife dont work near there, his kids dont go to school there and local residents say they rarely see him there

Basically he's just another typical Tory

Not to defend his dodgy planning permission stuff.

But his family moved there before lockdown, and the outrage when he moved there was on the grounds that he should have stayed in London on his own and not moved out of London to join his wife and children.

Not to defend his main residence shifting either, but it's a bit pointless using his children's school as a guide because they wouldn't go to school whichever of the three houses they were living in at the time.

[ksrclaret]

Typical metropolitan elitist London-centric Islington dinner party bubble-dwelling champagne-drinking expenses-claiming wealth-inheriting lying double-dealing deceitful duplicitous Tory.

I think that's covered him.

[Devils_Advocate]

Not to defend his dodgy planning permission stuff.

But his family moved there before lockdown, and the outrage when he moved there was on the grounds that he should have stayed in London on his own and not moved out of London to join his wife and children.

Not to defend his main residence shifting either, but it's a bit pointless using his children's school as a guide because they wouldn't go to school whichever of the three houses they were living in at the time.

I know he didn't move his family during lockdown but when his family moved the govt were already asking people not to locate to 2nd homes. As a Minister IMO he should be leading by example

He also claimed as part of this story that it was his main home and he himself moved there (after his family) during lockdown once he was set up to work from home. This is a blatant lie and if he was as comfortable as you are that at the time he moved his family it was perfectly acceptable then this would have been his explanation rather than the actual lie he told

Whichever way you look at it this is not acceptable behaviour for a govt minister

[dsr]

I know he didn't move his family during lockdown but when his family moved the govt were already asking people not to locate to 2nd homes. As a Minister IMO he should be leading by example

He also claimed as part of this story that it was his main home and he himself moved there (after his family) during lockdown once he was set up to work from home. This is a blatant lie and if he was as comfortable as you are that at the time he moved his family it was perfectly acceptable then this would have been his explanation rather than the actual lie he told

Whichever way you look at it this is not acceptable behaviour for a govt minister

I've never been convinced by the idea that children who have more than one home, one of them being much larger and having a bigger garden, should be forced to stay in the wrong one just because they were in the wrong place when the music stopped.

It is perfectly acceptable for children of divorced parents to move about the country freely. If a set of children whose parents do not happen to be divorced should move just once, the increased damage to the country is trivial. 1,000,001 journeys are clearly worse than 1,000,000, but not by much.

I've never been one to be convinced by the virtue of Obeying The Law No Matter What. If a man drives his car too fast to get a sick child to hospital, must he be condemned? No - because sometimes the benefit of disobeying the law outweighs the benefit of obeying it. If I had children and two homes, I would get the children to the more convenient home when the schools closed, and let the law take its own course.

[claretspice]

It is perfectly acceptable for children of divorced parents to move about the country freely. If a set of children whose parents do not happen to be divorced should move just once, the increased damage to the country is trivial. 1,000,001 journeys are clearly worse than 1,000,000, but not by much.

I've never been one to be convinced by the virtue of Obeying The Law No Matter What. If a man drives his car too fast to get a sick child to hospital, must he be condemned? No - because sometimes the benefit of disobeying the law outweighs the benefit of obeying it.

Let's use an apple to explain why both of these statements are deeply troubling.

The most obvious issue is that the second paragraph conflates a mitigation and a defence. If I steal an apple from my neighbour because I am very hungry, I have stolen an apple. The fact I am starving is a mitigation, not a defence. This was also the case in the Cummings example and with Jenrick. It's also the case with breaking the speed limit - and therefore endangering othes - to get a child to hospital.

As to the first paragraph - if one person steals my neighbour's apple from his tree, he probably doesn't care too much. If everyone on the street nicks an apple, he soon ends up with none left for himself. That's why society relies on everyone following rules, rather than saying "I'll break them, but provided no-one else does, it won't matter too much".

[Devils_Advocate]

I've never been convinced by the idea that children who have more than one home, one of them being much larger and having a bigger garden, should be forced to stay in the wrong one just because they were in the wrong place when the music stopped.

It is perfectly acceptable for children of divorced parents to move about the country freely. If a set of children whose parents do not happen to be divorced should move just once, the increased damage to the country is trivial. 1,000,001 journeys are clearly worse than 1,000,000, but not by much.

I've never been one to be convinced by the virtue of Obeying The Law No Matter What. If a man drives his car too fast to get a sick child to hospital, must he be condemned? No - because sometimes the benefit of disobeying the law outweighs the benefit of obeying it. If I had children and two homes, I would get the children to the more convenient home when the schools closed, and let the law take its own course.

Its good to know your own personal feelings on the matter but thats absolutely irrelevant to the fact that a govt minister went against his own govt advice and that a govt minister blatantly lied to the public about it.

[tiger76]

More on the Jenrick story, clearly the opposition aren't going to let this lie.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53020534

[evensteadiereddie]

Typical metropolitan elitist London-centric Islington dinner party bubble-dwelling champagne-drinking expenses-claiming wealth-inheriting lying double-dealing deceitful duplicitous Tory.

I think that's covered him.

You missed the "ivory tower" bit, other than that full marks !

[Silkyskills1]

Never judge a book by it's cover but on this occasion ................ well I'm not convinced.

[Silkyskills1]

'And No10 said the PM had full confidence in Mr. Jenrick'

That's swung it.

[evensteadiereddie]

A liar who uses the plight of his kids to back up his claim. Disgraceful, cowardly behaviour.

[timshorts]

A liar who uses the plight of his kids to back up his claim. Disgraceful, cowardly behaviour.

But there is a majority of 80, so f you you oiks. Torys can do what they want right now. There's always another identikit replacement to take their place.

Don't you know who he is?

[ksrclaret]

But there is a majority of 80, so f you you oiks. Torys can do what they want right now. There's always another identikit replacement to take their place.

That all sounds healthy and totally ideal.

No wonder we're sitting pretty at the top of the league table for buggering up this pandemic response.

[dougcollins]

Yes, who's the next poodle in the parade?

[mdd2]

Joe public doing a pretty good job of buggering up this pandemic, never mind the Government.
Media not helped much either.

[ksrclaret]

Joe public doing a pretty good job of buggering up this pandemic, never mind the Government.
Media not helped much either.

I think the majority of the public have been fine, save for a relatively small proportion like the brain doners this afternoon and last weekend.

The government will carry the can for it and rightly so.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'm afraid Cummings has a lot to answer for. Once that fiasco came out, lockdown was never going to mean the same to a lot of people.

[martin_p]

The answer to the original question seems to be ‘yes’.

[tiger76]

The answer to the original question seems to be ‘yes’.

The headlines don't make good reading, now let's see if the PM has the balls to sack him, i can't see him resigning, so the onus is on the PM to make the call. I have TBH i'm not holding my breath, on Mr Jenrick going straight away, however if the rumoured September reshuffle happens, then he might be quietly eased aside.

[Duffer_]

Scandalous!

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[thomaspaine]

Amidst all the other news this story seems to have slipped under the radar,whereas normally it'd be front-page headlines,i don't expect him to resign though nobody in this cabinet has the honour to even do that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52826751

He's a Tory doing what Tories are inclined to do.

[dougcollins]

I see regular output from the Cabinet Secretary. I doubt you're ever going to see any criticism of this government.

[tiger76]

I see regular output from the Cabinet Secretary. I doubt you're ever going to see any criticism of this government.

If i see wrong-doing i'll call it out whoever the party in power happens to be, and this smells of corruption to me, and as such should be called out for what it is, now if the Housing Secretary has a valid defence of his actions, then let's hear it by all means, i'm all ears.

[dougcollins]

If i see wrong-doing i'll call it out whoever the party in power happens to be, and this smells of corruption to me, and as such should be called out for what it is, now if the Housing Secretary has a valid defence of his actions, then let's hear it by all means, i'm all ears.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

[SalisburyClaret]

Tories and Planning Officials corrupt?
Well that’s a first
Who’d a thought it

[Duffer_]

There is also a very nasty stench around procurement relating to covid. Apologies if this has already been discussed but I did use the Search facility and drew a blank.

£108m for PPE to Pestfix with no evidence of a competitive tender. Pestfix was a small family owned business with limited assets who had previously dealt in pest control supplies. There appear to be a few more contract awards where £108m is the "magic" number.

[ksrclaret]

Politicians in corruption and self-interest shocker.

I think we all know what these politicians on both sides are like and none of it is surprising. The thing that sticks in the throat though is that this lot claimed to be the "anti-establishment" vote and would stick two fingers up the "political class". I also remember a time when politicians who were caught with their pants down had the good grace to resign. This lot have a policy which involves "doubling-down".

If you spend too much time thinking about who is in charge of us you'd drive yourself mad.

[dougcollins]

If you spend too much time thinking about who is in charge of us you'd drive yourself mad.

So that's what happened to the voters in the last election.

[Duffer_]

I hear you ksr but "excess deaths", racism, Cummings, Jenrick, incompetence, deceipt and other corruption has woken me from a 10 year political slumber. My apathy was to my discredit and just because PL football (the new opium of the masses) is back, my refound enthusiasm to get involved will not recede.

[ksrclaret]

I hear you ksr but "excess deaths", racism, Cummings, Jenrick, incompetence, deceipt and other corruption has woken me from a 10 year political slumber. My apathy was to my discredit and just because PL football (the new opium of the masses) is back, my refound enthusiasm to get involved will not recede.

No you're right, with more apathy from the voters comes more outrageous acts from those in charge. I hope you continue with your enthusiasm to get involved. The more we turn away the more they get away with.

I personally find that if I spend too much time thinking about the state of government at the moment that my mental health suffers as a result, especially during these times. I just find it all so depressing. The PL returning has definitely been my opium!