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Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 7:13 pm

I don't think many of you will be aware, because this had been kept hushed from the mainstream media, but earlier today, all dental practices in England have been TOLD by NHS England to reopen from 8th June.
That's right, you can demand a filling with all the close contact dangers that involves whilst dentists struggle to adapt their premises and obtain the correct PPE, but don't expect to be able to buy a paper clip from WH Smiths for at least another week. Disgraceful.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by bodge » Thu May 28, 2020 7:17 pm

Good news for a lot of posters on this board, who've pulled their teeth out reading the Covid and Cummings threads.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 7:21 pm

bodge wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:17 pm
Good news for a lot of posters on this board, who've pulled their teeth out reading the Covid and Cummings threads.
That's funny. There's a serious side to this though.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by bodge » Thu May 28, 2020 7:26 pm

I agree.

I'm sure no one wants to do a tim noone, toothache in lockdown would be an absolute shocker.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by JohnDearyMe » Thu May 28, 2020 7:27 pm

Good news if done safely. Lots of people have been living in agony because of the lack of dental services in recent months

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 7:33 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:27 pm
Good news if done safely. Lots of people have been living in agony because of the lack of dental services in recent months
That's the problem, it's far more dangerous than reopening John Lewis and Primark, so why have they been told to reopen a week before, and why was it not in Doris's speech?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by JohnDearyMe » Thu May 28, 2020 7:34 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:33 pm
That's the problem, it's far more dangerous than reopening John Lewis and Primark, so why have they been told to reopen a week before, and why was it not in Doris's speech?
Guessing it will vary from dentist to dentist with regards to their PPE stock but they should all be very well trained on the infection control front, or at least you'd hope they are

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 7:37 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:34 pm
Guessing it will vary from dentist to dentist with regards to their PPE stock but they should all be very well trained on the infection control front, or at least you'd hope they are
It's not just that, it's the extremely high risk from aerosols that requires very specialised PPE that isn't widely available. The very few Urgent dental centres that were set up to deal with emergencies struggled.
Why can a dentist open but a hairdresser can't?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Middle-agedClaret » Thu May 28, 2020 7:48 pm

“Why can a dentist open but a hairdresser can’t?”
I guess no-one will be in agony if their roots are showing. Nor will a grown-out perm cause as much pain as an abscess.
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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by randomclaret2 » Thu May 28, 2020 8:05 pm

Roots being on show isnt good in a dental sense...

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Thu May 28, 2020 8:11 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:13 pm
I don't think many of you will be aware, because this had been kept hushed from the mainstream media, but earlier today, all dental practices in England have been TOLD by NHS England to reopen from 8th June.
That's right, you can demand a filling with all the close contact dangers that involves whilst dentists struggle to adapt their premises and obtain the correct PPE, but don't expect to be able to buy a paper clip from WH Smiths for at least another week. Disgraceful.
They've not been TOLD by NHS England at all. They've been advised by the government that they CAN if they are able to. The local emergency hubs will still be operational.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 8:22 pm

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:11 pm
They've not been TOLD by NHS England at all. They've been advised by the government that they CAN if they are able to. The local emergency hubs will still be operational.
Sorry, but the letter clearly states they must re open, have you seen it?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by warksclaret » Thu May 28, 2020 8:22 pm

Fang-God for that

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 8:24 pm

Middle-agedClaret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:48 pm
“Why can a dentist open but a hairdresser can’t?”
I guess no-one will be in agony if their roots are showing. Nor will a grown-out perm cause as much pain as an abscess.
Sorry, but I thought easing out of this crisis meant small steps, hence car showrooms and outdoor markets today, because as the great leader said, they have lots of space. Why did he forget to mention dentists then?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Rowls » Thu May 28, 2020 8:26 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:21 pm
That's funny. There's a serious side to this though.
Yes it great that people will be finally able to get the dental treatment they need. Good news.
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Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Thu May 28, 2020 8:29 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:22 pm
Sorry, but the letter clearly states they must re open, have you seen it?
The letter does not state they must re-open. Yes, I've seen the letter. Here's a link to it:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/ ... 28-May.pdf

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Thu May 28, 2020 8:31 pm

'Today, we are asking that all dental practices commence opening from Monday 8 June for all face to face care, where practices assess that they have the necessary IPC and PPE requirements in place.'

So if practices don't have the necessary IPC and PPE requirements in place, they won't be opening.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Paul Waine » Thu May 28, 2020 9:43 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:24 pm
Sorry, but I thought easing out of this crisis meant small steps, hence car showrooms and outdoor markets today, because as the great leader said, they have lots of space. Why did he forget to mention dentists then?
Hi Pimlico, I'm puzzled. Most medical services have kept going throughout the several weeks, NHS at first halted elective treatments and paused cancer treatments and others that impaired ability to fight infections. These areas have been restarted a few weeks ago. Dental services are also part of the medical services. I'd have put them ahead of buying a car in critical importance. Of course, I recognise that there is more risk of exposure to covid-19 in the very personal treatment of dentistry, but that's the nature of medical services.

As for BJ and the daily covid-19 briefing. I know re-opening dental services was on the "breaking" news headlines. I wasn't listening to BJ's every word. It may be that Hancock had already announced this earlier in the day.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by kritichris » Thu May 28, 2020 9:46 pm

My dentist has always worn protective gowns, gloves and masks as standard. I was surprised they couldn't continue with a controlled appointment system

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by tim_noone » Thu May 28, 2020 9:49 pm

bodge wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:26 pm
I agree.

I'm sure no one wants to do a tim noone, toothache in lockdown would be an absolute shocker.
Thankyou......it wasn't good.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 10:36 pm

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:31 pm
'Today, we are asking that all dental practices commence opening from Monday 8 June for all face to face care, where practices assess that they have the necessary IPC and PPE requirements in place.'

So if practices don't have the necessary IPC and PPE requirements in place, they won't be opening.
And they will then be be penalised financially by the NHS regarding their contracts if they don't.
I'm somewhat gobsmacked that you can't grasp a concept as simple as this -
Dentists - you must reopen
Hairdressers - no ferkin way

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 10:41 pm

Rowls wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:26 pm
Yes it great that people will be finally able to get the dental treatment they need. Good news.
Be good news if you could get access to your GP at the same time, over to you Rowls.
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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Rileybobs » Thu May 28, 2020 10:41 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:36 pm
And they will then be be penalised financially by the NHS regarding their contracts if they don't.
I'm somewhat gobsmacked that you can't grasp a concept as simple as this -
Dentists - you must reopen
Hairdressers - no ferkin way
Quite simply, dentists provide a necessary medical service, hairdressers don’t.
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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 10:45 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:41 pm
Quite simply, dentists provide a necessary medical service, hairdressers don’t.
Another one missing the point that dentists is a seriously main danger of spreading the virus. Might as well say everyone and everything back to normal as of tomorrow. Can't believe how ******* thick some people are on here tonight.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Rileybobs » Thu May 28, 2020 10:50 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:45 pm
Another one missing the point that dentists is a seriously main danger of spreading the virus. Might as well say everyone and everything back to normal as of tomorrow. Can't believe how ******* thick some people are on here tonight.
Thanks for the unnecessary insult. You asked why dentists are opening but hairdressers aren’t. I gave you the answer.

I expect dentists surgeries are a very high risk place for spreading the virus, in the same way that hospitals and doctors surgeries are. But some people need dental treatment. You’d like to think that people will delay their regular check ups and only people in need of treatment will use them.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 10:54 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:50 pm
Thanks for the unnecessary insult. You asked why dentists are opening but hairdressers aren’t. I gave you the answer.

I expect dentists surgeries are a very high risk place for spreading the virus, in the same way that hospitals and doctors surgeries are. But some people need dental treatment. You’d like to think that people will delay their regular check ups and only people in need of treatment will use them.
I'd like to think that the Prime Ministers special advisor would adhere to the rules he drafted, but hey?
Put it this way, would you rather risk having an invasive procedure at the dentist, or going to sit down and watch a match at the Turf? Which can you now do first?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Rileybobs » Thu May 28, 2020 10:56 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:54 pm
I'd like to think that the Prime Ministers special advisor would adhere to the rules he drafted, but hey?
Put it this way, would you rather risk having an invasive procedure at the dentist, or going to sit down and watch a match at the Turf? Which can you now do first?
Hold on, you call me thick and then ask whether I’d rather risk having a procedure at the dentists or mingling with 20,000 other people? Seriously?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Rowls » Thu May 28, 2020 11:00 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:41 pm
Be good news if you could get access to your GP at the same time, over to you Rowls.
Quite agree. GPs should be open too.

Over to everybody now.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 11:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:56 pm
Hold on, you call me thick and then ask whether I’d rather risk having a procedure at the dentists or mingling with 20,000 other people? Seriously?
Yes, due to the proximity of the procedure and the aerosol produced. Can you explain why Gp's, opticians, physiotherapists, chiropodists etc haven't been told to effectively open all hours?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Rileybobs » Thu May 28, 2020 11:06 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:01 pm
Yes, due to the proximity of the procedure and the aerosol produced. Can you explain why Gp's, opticians, physiotherapists, chiropodists etc haven't been told to effectively open all hours?
No of course I can’t. It’s not my job to tell you that. Maybe the gov feel that dental surgeries are more essential than the others you’ve mentioned. If you were really ill you could skip the GP and go to the minor injuries unit at the hospital for example.

Do you honestly think there’s more chance of the virus spreading in a dental surgery than a football ground with 20,000+ attendees?

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 11:14 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:06 pm
No of course I can’t. It’s not my job to tell you that. Maybe the gov feel that dental surgeries are more essential than the others you’ve mentioned. If you were really ill you could skip the GP and go to the minor injuries unit at the hospital for example.

Do you honestly think there’s more chance of the virus spreading in a dental surgery than a football ground with 20,000+ attendees?
Ask the government, statistics available to fit any situation.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by tim_noone » Thu May 28, 2020 11:18 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:14 pm
Ask the government, statistics available to fit any situation.
Clearly you've been drinking in the mid day sun. :D

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Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 11:31 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:18 pm
Clearly you've been drinking in the mid day sun. :D
Clearly not actually Tim, I find this quite worrying.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by IanMcL » Thu May 28, 2020 11:39 pm

Making us go to the dentist is Cummings revenge!

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Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu May 28, 2020 11:42 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:39 pm
Making us go to the dentist is Cummings revenge!
Another smokescreen

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Post by IanMcL » Thu May 28, 2020 11:45 pm

Drilling down!

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Post by atlantalad » Fri May 29, 2020 12:31 am

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:37 pm
It's not just that, it's the extremely high risk from aerosols that requires very specialised PPE that isn't widely available. The very few Urgent dental centres that were set up to deal with emergencies struggled.
Why can a dentist open but a hairdresser can't?
Now you have got me very worried. I always viewed dentistry as surgery (being invasive, drawing body fluids, etc) and, as such, would naturally adopt the most stringent and rigorous PPE and hygiene procedures to prevent any possibility of cross contamination and introducing infection. I understand the issue with aerosols but, from what you are implying, surely the problem with aerosols is ever present. If that is the case then, by your own admission aren't any disease, influenza, virus, etc as equally and highly likely to be transmitted between patients?

So the next time I pay a visit to a dentist I should do so on the understanding that I am highly likely to be infected by someone else's disease.

Adding post- script, I recall ending up with a cold sore within a day or so of a visit to a dentist a few year ago - never had one in my life before that - may be a coincidence but now you have me thinking.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Grumps » Fri May 29, 2020 6:42 am

I thought I'd seen every possible way of criticising the goverment over the past few months.

But complaining about dentists opening ( some have never been shut) and hairdressers not opening, is right up there with the most ridiculous argument of the past 3 months.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by FactualFrank » Fri May 29, 2020 7:46 am

Reading this thread is like pulling teeth.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 29, 2020 9:11 am

Middle-agedClaret wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:48 pm
“Why can a dentist open but a hairdresser can’t?”
I guess no-one will be in agony if their roots are showing. Nor will a grown-out perm cause as much pain as an abscess.
Oh I don't know - my mum wouldn't have wanted to go out of the house if she couldn't have had her hair done.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Grumps » Fri May 29, 2020 9:20 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 9:11 am
Oh I don't know - my mum wouldn't have wanted to go out of the house if she couldn't have had her hair done.
I do wonder how some of the older ladies, who have their hair " set" every week have gone on these past few months.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri May 29, 2020 9:21 am

Hmm, wonder if Pimlico is in the confectionary trade.

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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 29, 2020 9:35 am

Grumps wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 9:20 am
I do wonder how some of the older ladies, who have their hair " set" every week have gone on these past few months.
My mum was in that category. Years ago she had her cataracts removed. It was a stay in hospital then and when she finally got home she wasn't allowed to wash her hair. It's the only thing I can ever remember that kept her in. "I can't go out with my hair like this," she said having dragged me down to do her housework that she couldn't do herself.
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Re: Dental Surgeries to re open

Post by Grumps » Fri May 29, 2020 9:48 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 9:35 am
My mum was in that category. Years ago she had her cataracts removed. It was a stay in hospital then and when she finally got home she wasn't allowed to wash her hair. It's the only thing I can ever remember that kept her in. "I can't go out with my hair like this," she said having dragged me down to do her housework that she couldn't do herself.
:lol: :lol: so many were like that.

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