On bbc now about mental health with Prince William. Spoke well of Burnley but said it’s the lowest part of his career. But he’s in a good mental place.

A few years ago at city (before he won his second title) that wasn’t the case.

Reflects well on us that. Just wish the fans were a bit more reasonable with him. Read and hear so much crap about him. For no reason either. He’s never said or done anything in his time here to get anything but respect.

In his day only a few better goalies have played for the England team

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 8:25 pm

In his day only a few better goalies have played for the England team

Spot on. At Birmingham and then at city he was one of the best in the world.

Can’t help but feel the way guardiola treat him not only shattered his confidence but also how fans see him.

On other days better goalies have played for England. Maintaining standards for the most important position on the field has proved a little too difficult for him.

Sordell. Austin. Also on.

Marvin Sordell on now. Hope they don’t look at what links these players!

Mental health problems.

Some of the stick he took on this board was way over the top last season. He made a few errors but he was treated like the lone reason for our struggles. Didn’t help that Heaton came back in and we transformed, mind; although I’m sure he would admit it wasn’t all down to him.

It just shows that it does get back to a player in some form. I’ve been just as guilty in the past though with other players. I’m going to make a conscious effort to be a little less over the top with any criticism when we start back up.

I like the attitude he portrays, and he actually had a number of good games in front of, at times, a very shaky Burnley defense He has not thrown his toys out the pram at not being first choice GK-take note Mr Gibson

How much pressure is there on modern players?
Are they being picked? Injuries? Promotion and the financial benefits that follow?
Outside the game drinkers, gamblers, adulterers? Funny old game innit.

I do wonder if he'd be able to get back close to his best days (or there about) by calming down a little. He seems very pumped up on the pitch. Heaton was commanding...and loud, very loud, but if look at GKs like Alisson, Neuer, and even our Pope they have a zen-like composure. So much psychological energy expended on the 'battle', if you will, kicking posts and screaming encouragement at everyone else when defending corners etc.

Catching crosses would be a start.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 9:10 pm

I do wonder if he'd be able to get back close to his best days (or there about) by calming down a little. He seems very pumped up on the pitch. Heaton was commanding...and loud, very loud, but if look at GKs like Alisson, Neuer, and even our Pope they have a zen-like composure. So much psychological energy expended on the 'battle', if you will, kicking posts and screaming encouragement at everyone else when defending corners etc.

A similar trait to Pickford. Never did P Schmeichel any harm though did it. There’s been plenty of good unhinged goalkeepers over the years.

He’s been very poor at times. But never warrant the shite he’s received, and that goes all footballers btw. The abuse what so called fans give is disgusting. Wethers thats fan to fan or fan to footballer.

He's still a good shot stopper but we need more than that here, Heaton was excellent as he marshalled his defence, Hart didn't and so was more exposed. Pope is still learning but better than Hart now, but not yet up to Tom's standard. Every player who passes under Dyche's umbrella speaks well of him and the club, even Drinkwater.

To be fair those that slagged him off on here I wouldn't take much notice from anyway, he was fine.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 9:10 pm

I do wonder if he'd be able to get back close to his best days (or there about) by calming down a little. He seems very pumped up on the pitch. Heaton was commanding...and loud, very loud, but if look at GKs like Alisson, Neuer, and even our Pope they have a zen-like composure. So much psychological energy expended on the 'battle', if you will, kicking posts and screaming encouragement at everyone else when defending corners etc.

Pickford

Not coming for crosses and going out feet first to stop shots didn't help Joes clean sheet ratio
He was a poor signing
Reinventing how he played doesnt take away from the facts.He was not at the same level as Nick Pope

Always remember going to the turf one day with my lad before a game to get autographs from the player's he was the only one who came across as a arrogant prat..hopefully he will be off loaded this summer

50k a week for doing nothing & it's the lowest point of his career? Wow, get a grip ffs! Can't wait to see the back of this arrogant prick tbf..

He was given his chance and failed.

Yet it falls under "mental health"

Well son, get a job you're good at and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Oh, what's that? No 100 grand a week at the chicken factory? Shame.

Let's face it, you're a ponce. A narcissistic ponce and you only care about wealth and fame, now your fame is fading, you need to go down the "third rate footballer" practice of "mental health" on the BBC for a bit of screen time.

Pathetic.

Save your sympathy for people who need it.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:17 pm

He was given his chance and failed.

Yet it falls under "mental health"

Well son, get a job you're good at and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Oh, what's that? No 100 grand a week at the chicken factory? Shame.

Let's face it, you're a ponce. A narcissistic ponce and you only care about wealth and fame, now your fame is fading, you need to go down the "third rate footballer" practice of "mental health" on the BBC for a bit of screen time.

Pathetic.

Save your sympathy for people who need it.

Has anybody ever told you what a vile person you are?

For calling out someones bullshit?

No.

Do you give the same love to Bamford?

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:19 pm

For calling out someones bullshit?

No. I was wondering if generally anybody has told you what a vile person you are?

Sheedyclaret wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:03 pm

Always remember going to the turf one day with my lad before a game to get autographs from the player's he was the only one who came across as a arrogant prat..hopefully he will be off loaded this summer

In what way was he an arrogant prat...?

claretdj wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:13 pm

50k a week for doing nothing & it's the lowest point of his career? Wow, get a grip ffs! Can't wait to see the back of this arrogant prick tbf..

If getting a grip results in a total lack of understanding of what it means to experience depression and low self-esteem then I would rather losen the grip.
Its been good to see Joe Hart smiling on his way to the bench week in and week out, knowing he'd love to be back at the top of his game and first choice keeper. It hasn't looked like arrogance to me

IF THE BUSINESS IS TOO MUCH FOR HIM HE SHOULD LEAVE IT.

Yet he perseveres... despite the TORTURE to his "mental health".

Can anyone GUESS why he won't quit?

Some horribly predictable comments on this thread already. The vitriol some have towards Joe Hart and mental health in general is as puzzling as it is lamentable.

claretdj wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:13 pm

50k a week for doing nothing & it's the lowest point of his career? Wow, get a grip ffs! Can't wait to see the back of this arrogant prick tbf..

It's the lowest point of his career because he's on the bench and he wants to be playing. It's not hard. Would you rather he was thrilled not to be number one?

Pickford also flaps about like he's done a gram and he doesn't keep many clean sheets, either. I suppose if it works then it works. Worked well for a time for Hart, too. To use an analogy, he looks to me like a boxer going all-in with the haymakers from the first bell when a patient jab would be of more use. And he's smacking himself in the head before the fight to get pumped-up, chewing down so hard on his gumshield he's ruining his teeth.

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:29 pm

It's the lowest point of his career because he's on the bench and he wants to be playing. It's not hard. Would you rather he was thrilled not to be number one?

But he's not good enough to.

No doubt he's been told by the gaffer.


But he won't accept it. Afterall, who doesn't want fame and money?

But this is the business and it's no different to anything else.


My heart doesn't bleed. Why does yours? Why does it matter so much?

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:17 pm

He was given his chance and failed.

Yet it falls under "mental health"

Well son, get a job you're good at and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Oh, what's that? No 100 grand a week at the chicken factory? Shame.

Let's face it, you're a ponce. A narcissistic ponce and you only care about wealth and fame, now your fame is fading, you need to go down the "third rate footballer" practice of "mental health" on the BBC for a bit of screen time.

Pathetic.

Save your sympathy for people who need it.

Dear oh dear.

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 8:37 pm

On other days better goalies have played for England. Maintaining standards for the most important position on the field has proved a little too difficult for him.

Amazing about how even a thread about mental health turns against joe hart.

JH was signed in an emergency. Can't help, can it?

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:31 pm

But he's not good enough to.

No doubt he's been told by the gaffer.


But he won't accept it. Afterall, who doesn't want fame and money?

But this is the business and it's no different to anything else.


My heart doesn't bleed. Why does yours? Why does it matter so much?

He's not good enough to, I agree. And he used to be good enough to play in nets for the champions of England and for the national team. It's not a struggle I can relate to but that doesn't mean I can't sympathise.

I know that I take a lot of satisfaction from my job and not because of the salary. Joe is 4 years older than me and I know that if in 4 years I'm doing a worse job of work and watching on as a younger lad does better it won't be nice and I will struggle with it.

Mental health is health and is not something you can pay your way out of.

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:35 pm

Amazing about how even a thread about mental health turns against joe hart.

I thought this thread "Was" about Joe Hart?

claretdj wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:13 pm

50k a week for doing nothing & it's the lowest point of his career? Wow, get a grip ffs! Can't wait to see the back of this arrogant prick tbf..

Yep. Because that old line. Money makes you immune to problems.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:17 pm

He was given his chance and failed.

Yet it falls under "mental health"

Well son, get a job you're good at and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Oh, what's that? No 100 grand a week at the chicken factory? Shame.

Let's face it, you're a ponce. A narcissistic ponce and you only care about wealth and fame, now your fame is fading, you need to go down the "third rate footballer" practice of "mental health" on the BBC for a bit of screen time.

Pathetic.

Save your sympathy for people who need it.

If you watched it you will see he said that his mental health issues were at Man City. Not at Burnley. At Burnley it’s the best he’s felt in himself.

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:41 pm

I thought this thread "Was" about Joe Hart?

Correct. But it’s turned against joe hart.

It’s amazing how the sheer mention of his name gets so many pent up with rage on here. Inferiority complex clearly.

I will always have a suspicion that there was something really not right when he was in the team: team spirit? organisation at the back? Players' loyalty tom Tom? Who knows?...but the upturn in form when TH came back in was amazing to see.

In fairness we were creating hardly any chances in some of those games, putting more pressure on the defence. Some of those heavy defeats wouldn't have been as damaging if the other 1-0's were 1-1's, or to that effect.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:58 pm

In fairness we were creating hardly any chances in some of those games, putting more pressure on the defence. Some of those heavy defeats wouldn't have been as damaging if the other 1-0's were 1-1's, or to that effect.

What's that got to do with "mental health"

He's basically taking the **** out of the club. I mean let's face it, osmeone like him isn't dreaming about coming here, now he's complaining about his lack of fame and funds...

He can **** off. I can't believe how many idiots are taken in by the "mental health" aspect of it all.

If he were at some other club spouting this, I can only imagine what our beloved members would be saying about him...

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 11:00 pm

What's that got to do with "mental health"

He's basically taking the **** out of the club. I mean let's face it, osmeone like him isn't dreaming about coming here, now he's complaining about his lack of fame and funds...

He can **** off. I can't believe how many idiots are taken in by the "mental health" aspect of it all.

If he were at some other club spouting this, I can only imagine what our beloved members would be saying about him...

I'm worried you don't really understand what he has said. He hasn't complained about either his fame or funds.

He started playing in nets for his hometown club Shrewsbury when he was 17, until he was signed by one of the top sides in English football. He then worked his way to a star turn on loan as starting goalie at Premier League Birmingham City, before playing over 200 games and winning the Premier League twice at Manchester City. He earned 75 caps as England's number one in this time. He then played two seasons on loan as number one at Torino and West Ham respectively. He then signed for Burnley, lost his starting job after 19 games and has never played a league game since.

If you can't see that he's at the lowest moment of his career that's your business and not his. I don't get why you think you know his mental health better than he does mind.

I thank him for doing his best for Burnley - and making some very good stops, with some fluffs.

I appreciate his contribution to the roof on mental health.
That takes some guts.

I wish him well.



Written in the style of Dominating Cummings solicitor.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 11:00 pm

What's that got to do with "mental health"

He's basically taking the **** out of the club. I mean let's face it, osmeone like him isn't dreaming about coming here, now he's complaining about his lack of fame and funds...

He can **** off. I can't believe how many idiots are taken in by the "mental health" aspect of it all.

If he were at some other club spouting this, I can only imagine what our beloved members would be saying about him...

That's quite the overreaction. You're going to have to show me where I alluded to his mental health. I've been keeping mainly to talking about his composure on the pitch. In all honesty, without wanting to trivialise or make light of the issue, the subject of mental health is an ironic topic about which for you to have a messageboard breakdown.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 11:00 pm

What's that got to do with "mental health"

He's basically taking the **** out of the club. I mean let's face it, osmeone like him isn't dreaming about coming here, now he's complaining about his lack of fame and funds...

He can **** off. I can't believe how many idiots are taken in by the "mental health" aspect of it all.

If he were at some other club spouting this, I can only imagine what our beloved members would be saying about him...

Again. He’s not complained about anything about his mental health at Burnley. He’s said he’s in a good place. Just wishes he could play.

But he's not as good as Pope and so he's at best a sub. Don't know enough about the other keeper but if.he's.not.as.good as.him then he's pretty much surplus to requirements. He only arrived here when we had no fit keepers.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Thu May 28, 2020 10:17 pm

He was given his chance and failed.

Not really. Collective amnesia I've seen on this board - people forgetting he was pretty much POTY up until mid December. Truth is he just wasn't as good as Heaton overall.

Where was this finger-pointing when Pope was letting in soft goals around the same time this season? Hart isn't a starter, but to call him a failure of a singing is incorrect in my opinion.

Nothing wrong with any of the comments Hart has made. He should move on this summer and I wish him well. He came in when we desperately needed a goalkeeper and overall, he did a good job. Heaton's return wasn't the only thing that got us out of trouble last year - in fact I wouldn't even call it the biggest single factor personally.

SGr wrote: ↑

Fri May 29, 2020 12:35 am

Not really. Collective amnesia I've seen on this board - people forgetting he was pretty much POTY up until mid December.

Lol