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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Siddo » Fri May 29, 2020 7:44 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:14 pm
Just by banning say over 60’s with health conditions as these are an at risk group would help . While I appreciate the Bob lord could be empty ,it won’t affect atmosphere and will help both the non attendees and also those on the match .
Just attatching hard hat
I'm over 60. I run 5 or 6 miles off road twice a week on trails and hills at 7.5mph on average. I mountain bike off road around 30 to 50 miles per week at 11mph on average. I swim a mile in less than 40 minutes and hill walk at least 3 times per week. Why would you ban me from the match, as you are possibly far more at risk than I am.
I also had started kick boxing prior to the covid closure and am amongst the fittest there.
Absolutely sick to death of the lack of respect afforded to fans in the Bob lord stand by many posters on here.
I've said this before, but looking at the lads that sit near me on the match I'd back my 10 against any other 10 anywhere in the ground.
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by thelaughingclaret » Fri May 29, 2020 7:44 pm

I think the ones with the most loyalty points getting to go first is the only way to go. Anything else is just too unfair. Go to reward the most loyal and longest serving supporters first I’m afraid. Spread everyone out. People who live together should still be able to sit next to each other though. Making me and my Father Sit 2 metres apart when we have been living in the same house for the last couple of months and will be doing so for the foreseeable would be idiotic and dumb.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri May 29, 2020 7:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 2:38 pm
Richard Masters has said today that the Premier League are optimistic that fans will be admitted next season in a phased approach. I'm assuming that means some of us do get in and some don't.

I don't agree with that approach at all. How would you feel if you were one that was told you couldn't go?
I’d be fine with it. Some is better than none. Especially when it comes to vulnerability.

The virus is indiscriminate. So the most vulnerable have to be extra careful.

10,000 on the turf is better than none. As an attendee or a tv viewer.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri May 29, 2020 7:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:52 pm
Second method of an auction would be appalling - those who can afford to pay more can come in type of scenario. As for having a draw, again not for me, no one should get in and another not.
That happens plenty when we sell out. Home and away.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri May 29, 2020 7:56 pm

Bob Lord empty st the start of the season then as over 60s will be told to stay home.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri May 29, 2020 8:05 pm

Siddo wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 7:44 pm
I'm over 60. I run 5 or 6 miles off road twice a week on trails and hills at 7.5mph on average. I mountain bike off road around 30 to 50 miles per week at 11mph on average. I swim a mile in less than 40 minutes and hill walk at least 3 times per week. Why would you ban me from the match, as you are possibly far more at risk than I am.
I also had started kick boxing prior to the covid closure and am amongst the fittest there.
Absolutely sick to death of the lack of respect afforded to fans in the Bob lord stand by many posters on here.
I've said this before, but looking at the lads that sit near me on the match I'd back my 10 against any other 10 anywhere in the ground.
It was tongue in cheek Siddo calm down and have a werthers or something I’m 52 myself ,though a 45min 10k time for over 60 very impressive .

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by ecc » Fri May 29, 2020 8:14 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Fri May 29, 2020 3:14 pm
"Just by banning say over 60’s with health conditions as these are an at risk group would help . While I appreciate the Bob lord could be empty ,it won’t affect atmosphere and will help both the non attendees and also those on the match .
Just attatching hard hat "

"Well done - I think this one wins the stupidity post of the week"

I was trying to work out if it was sarcasm or a wind-up.

I prefer to think AlargeClaret wasn't being serious.
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri May 29, 2020 11:37 pm

Give everybody a mask on their seat when they get in. If it is ok for people in London to use crowded public transport then surely its ok to be amongst others at a football match with a mask on? Leicester will be on this for sure with the gimmicks they give away :D
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by ecc » Sat May 30, 2020 12:05 am

Whilst this would be far from ideal for the PL it would be a godsend for a lot of teams in L1 and L2.
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat May 30, 2020 12:10 am

ecc wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 12:05 am
Whilst this would be far from ideal for the PL it would be a godsend for a lot of teams in L1 and L2.
Absolutely. And while on an individual level if you miss out it’s a bit crap, the grand scheme of things no individual is bigger than the game. And there are more important things anyway. If you can’t attend because you’re classed as at risk so be it.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Funkydrummer » Sat May 30, 2020 12:25 am

An idea for revised catering arrangements in the aisles of the stands.
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by chipbutty » Sat May 30, 2020 12:29 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:01 pm
Would the facilities at the turf need a major upgrade? Handwashing facilities definitely would need improving.

Although I'm not sure what they can do about how cramped the concourses are.
Why upgrade something that most scruffy males haven`t used for years re handwashing facilities. Must be about 20% at most in Turf Bogs!
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat May 30, 2020 12:56 am

Over the decades I bet virtually all of us have had the conversation “what will it be that stops me attending Burnley games for good?”.

I bet nobody thought it would be this, but for many, it will be. It will be too unfair, or too risky, or too unatmospheric, or too stop start. Many, especially those living far away, will simply stop.

It’s a tragedy really, and I don’t just mean the fatalities. Caveat - unless there is a rapid vaccine, which seems unlikely.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat May 30, 2020 6:14 am

Spot on Crosspool.I always sang "Burnley till I die" never dreaming of a senario when I was alive but unable to watch my team live

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by depechedingle » Sat May 30, 2020 7:00 am

Whilst I'd still want to attend all games I don't frequent as many away games as I did previously, but illness aside I attend all home games.

A small part of the home game experience is the camaraderie you have with the people in the immediate area with you, I love it where I sit and some of that is down to the banter of the folk around us, some who I don't have a clue what they called. It is a bit reminiscent of standing on your patch on the Longside, the same group around you every home game and outside Turf Moor you never see them.

I'd miss the faces around where I sit and some of them are proper ugly buggers!!!

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by summitclaret » Sat May 30, 2020 9:20 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:03 pm
They could have half using the urinals and the other using the sinks.
Well I won't be washing my hands in the urinal, for one.😉

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Funkydrummer » Sat May 30, 2020 9:55 am

Season ticket holders only ?

How would that pan out for spacing ?

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Stanbill05 » Sat May 30, 2020 10:26 am

Surely enough room for just ST holders, assuming away fans are banned. Quite a complex puzzle though - unless you have a blanket policy that forces kids to comply and sit a social distance away from parents etc. Then it's easy.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Stanbill05 » Sat May 30, 2020 10:28 am

Entry and exit wouldn't be easy to manage though.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Jel » Sat May 30, 2020 10:49 am

It's going to have to be sorted well in advance, and for the whole season.
Fans will need to plan holidays and a lot work shifts. If you can only go to, say 1 in 4 you won't want to miss one.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by CaptJohn » Sat May 30, 2020 2:24 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:46 pm
We have been going on the Turf for 55yrs and we've stopped going to away game because of persistent standing by fans blocking our view,so no away games.
All in all this might be the end of our trips watching at home.If it pans our this way it will be a sad end to our record following our team.
Neil, It could very well be the end for me as well. I know I've been going on about the same length of time as you and have bumped into you at a few away venues. (1st time was at Molineux and I think the last time was at the Emirates. Saw you at the last game that fans could attend, Spurs home) Unfortunately at 66 I don't know if I could take the bloody hassle that will accompany visiting the ground TBH plus I don't even know what the country will look like post virus. I don't think anyone will like it :(
Anyway, you take care mate.
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by MT03ALG » Sat May 30, 2020 2:43 pm

A Burnley FC mask for all spectators would be a good idea and could look quite good in claret and blue. Hamburg Sport Verein sold more than 60,000 masks @ 4.95 euros per mask.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Reckoner » Sat May 30, 2020 2:47 pm

Even if only 1000 are allowed in London Clarets will get 200 to allocate however they wish

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by jojomk1 » Sun May 31, 2020 11:44 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:52 pm
Second method of an auction would be appalling - those who can afford to pay more can come in type of scenario. As for having a draw, again not for me, no one should get in and another not.
So it's going to be a long while before spectators are allowed in based on the above - can't see normal crowds for quite some time, maybe even into 2021

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 31, 2020 11:55 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 11:44 am
So it's going to be a long while before spectators are allowed in based on the above - can't see normal crowds for quite some time, maybe even into 2021
I wouldn't like to predict when it will be but I think we'll be very fortunate to get crowds in before the end of this year

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:04 am

Hungary's allowing fans to return gradually.

Hungary play first round of football fixtures in front of supporters. Restrictions mean only one in four seats can be occupied.

I'd wager it'll be similar here at first when spectators are allowed to attend, how that'll work in practice IDK.

If that system was employed at TM, then we'd be looking at 4/5k max, pretty much what a pre-season friendly would generate.

It wouldn't be much of an atmosphere that's for sure, and i'd guess no away support will be permitted.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by IanMcL » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:21 am

I am ready.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Dyched » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:03 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:04 am
Hungary's allowing fans to return gradually.

Hungary play first round of football fixtures in front of supporters. Restrictions mean only one in four seats can be occupied.

I'd wager it'll be similar here at first when spectators are allowed to attend, how that'll work in practice IDK.

If that system was employed at TM, then we'd be looking at 4/5k max, pretty much what a pre-season friendly would generate.

It wouldn't be much of an atmosphere that's for sure, and i'd guess no away support will be permitted.
Costs will always come into if that is the case. Would it be worthwhile for the club? I’ve no idea what it will cost the club to open all stands, policing etc.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by claretspice » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:30 pm

I can imagine a situation where people are allowed back into a stadium with every second seat empty, a strict one way system, with concourses closed other than for access - with any necessary facilities moved outside. This is more possible at some grounds than others, but for example at Burnley, there's space behind teh Jimmy Mac and Longside which could be used as a compound to provide space for some essential facilities. That might be the way of it next season, if the risk has not abated.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Papabendi » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:40 pm

Governments and in this case the Premier League are working hard to find solutions. Instead of knocking potential solutions (because it means you won't happen to be able to attend your precious match) perhaps be more open minded and accept the fact that in the short term there are no easy fixes just tolerable outcomes. If it means I at least get the chance to attend, yes I'll take that.
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:47 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:40 pm
Governments and in this case the Premier League are working hard to find solutions. Instead of knocking potential solutions (because it means you won't happen be able to attend your precious match) perhaps be more open minded and accept the fact that in the short term there are no easy fixes just tolerable outcomes. If it means I at least get the chance to attend, yes I'll take that.
absolutely spot on.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Papabendi » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 2:38 pm

I don't agree with that approach at all. How would you feel if you were one that was told you couldn't go?
Happened any number of times to me for away fixtures (and yes I was around in the dark days). That's life.
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:19 pm

This is going to be a logistical nightmare for all clubs

Never mind spaced out seating, entry and especially exit from the stands will be painfully slow

Sitting in your designated season ticket seats will be impossible - you can't allow people to pass in front of each other whilst going down any aisle of seating to their normal seats (no space for social distancing with personal contact a possibility)

It will almost have to be on a timed entry for each supporter

First people in to the top of any given stand and sitting (spaced out) from one corner to the nearest exit aisle - follows that last people in, go to the front. You could maybe fill from top and bottom of stands at the same time

First people in are then the first people allowed to leave

This is just a thought on a possible system, but if all games are to be available live on tv is it worth the necessary hassle
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by SalisburyClaret » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:31 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:19 pm
This is going to be a logistical nightmare for all clubs

Never mind spaced out seating, entry and especially exit from the stands will be painfully slow

Sitting in your designated season ticket seats will be impossible - you can't allow people to pass in front of each other whilst going down any aisle of seating to their normal seats (no space for social distancing with personal contact a possibility)

It will almost have to be on a timed entry for each supporter

First people in to the top of any given stand and sitting (spaced out) from one corner to the nearest exit aisle - follows that last people in, go to the front. You could maybe fill from top and bottom of stands at the same time

First people in are then the first people allowed to leave

This is just a thought on a possible system, but if all games are to be available live on tv is it worth the necessary hassle

This makes the most sense so far - but once people want to eat, drink or go to the loo then it becomes chaos. Ultimately, there's no fair or safe way to do it

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:50 pm

Remember those hats you could buy at Xmas with a can of booze on either side and straws down into your mouth

Incontinence pants would be obligatory for everyone not just the Bob Lord stand :lol:

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:11 pm

Serie A hopeful of some fans attending this season https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52885665

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:38 am

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:11 pm
Serie A hopeful of some fans attending this season https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52885665
Fingers crossed.

In italy they believe the virus has weakened also.

I remember watching Juve vs Bayer Leverkusen in the champions league on a Thursday afternoon years ago (after two previous attempts cancelled due to fog). Was a bit surreal but still a decent atmosphere, ,

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:28 pm

Just the UK where we have managed to make things worse!

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Ptangyangkipperbang » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:56 pm

I work on the horse racing tracks and I have just been informed whenever people are allowed on the tracks everybody attending including the paying public will need a certificate to prove they are covid free.I don't personally think it will work but it makes me wonder if it will be used for all sporting and entertainment events

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by tiger76 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:43 pm

This incident is precisely what the authorities feared with closed door games.

Two Benfica players have been taken to hospital after their team bus was attacked following their first behind-closed-doors match.

German Julian Weigl and Serbian Andrija Zivkovic were hit with shrapnel and taken to hospital as a precaution.

Portuguese champions Benfica missed the chance to move clear of title rivals Porto at the top of the table after being held 0-0 by Tondela.

Fans had gathered to support the team outside Benfica's Estadio da Luz.

The attack occurred on a major motorway between the stadium and training ground.

"Benfica denounce and lament the criminal stoning the bus of its players was victim to," a Benfica club statement read.

"We guarantee total collaboration with authorities to whom we appeal for the greatest effort to be made in identifying the delinquents responsible for these criminal acts."

The top two in the primeira liga table are now level on 60 points with nine rounds of matches remaining.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:44 am

Siddo wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 7:44 pm
I'm over 60. I run 5 or 6 miles off road twice a week on trails and hills at 7.5mph on average. I mountain bike off road around 30 to 50 miles per week at 11mph on average. I swim a mile in less than 40 minutes and hill walk at least 3 times per week. Why would you ban me from the match, as you are possibly far more at risk than I am.
I also had started kick boxing prior to the covid closure and am amongst the fittest there.
Absolutely sick to death of the lack of respect afforded to fans in the Bob lord stand by many posters on here.
I've said this before, but looking at the lads that sit near me on the match I'd back my 10 against any other 10 anywhere in the ground.
The key in Alarge’s Tongue in cheek post was not the ‘over 60’ bit, but ‘with serious health conditions’. He / she is actually correct. Looking at your stats, you’re in good shape so will probably beat COVID.

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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by Hipper » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:00 am

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ext-season

I found this link which mentioned the 'phased return' of fans. There don't seem to be anymore details. My guess is there aren't any as we still don't know what the future holds. Hence speculation on here is just that.

I like the idea of one or two of the last games this season - perhaps meaningless ones - could be used to trial some ways of having spectators in attendance so that lessons can be learnt for next season.

The fundamental issue though is social distancing. Will this be required at the start of next season. Removing this necessity is the key to a return to normal life. If we can't do this then clearly spectator sports, as well as other more important activities like public transport, will have to radically change.

If social distancing can't be removed then there will have to be decisions made on vulnerability and protection of various groups in the population. It is not fair for example that low risk (mostly younger) people could be denied activities because of the dangers to higher risk (primarily to older people).
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Re: Fans potentially admitted next season with a phased approach

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:18 am

Ptangyangkipperbang wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:56 pm
I work on the horse racing tracks and I have just been informed whenever people are allowed on the tracks everybody attending including the paying public will need a certificate to prove they are covid free.I don't personally think it will work but it makes me wonder if it will be used for all sporting and entertainment events
Can only imagine for that to work you’ll need to have an app that shows you’ve had an antibody test or a negative test in last 24-48 hours?

I think a vaccine or cure will be required before fans are able to attend games. For me there would be little point having grounds partially full and would prefer we wait until we can all go back.

Hoping the PL uses this opportunity to totally transform its model, develop an app for PPV games, then allow all global broadcasters to screen any game for a set game fee. So you could have Man U v City on every channel, regardless to which channel you subscribe to, with all the additional money being used to dramatically slash ticket prices across all PL teams for match going fans and also filtered down to the lower leagues to help keep them afloat.

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