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Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Milltown1882 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:39 pm

Not sure what's worse, declaring looking at illegal ways of getting in to grounds for the rest of the season or the self entitlement at feeling should be the only Burnley fan to be allowed to go to them...

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:50 pm

He gets some right grief on here :lol: , I’ve obviously seen him loads at the matches but can’t recall having a chat with him. Fair play if he manages to get in (legally of course)

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by StuffyClaret » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:55 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:39 pm
Not sure what's worse, declaring looking at illegal ways of getting in to grounds for the rest of the season or the self entitlement at feeling should be the only Burnley fan to be allowed to go to them...
Sorry but I missed the bit where he suggests that he feels he should be the only Burnley fan to be allowed to go to them :?: :roll:

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:57 pm

You don’t get to be the no.1 fan without a bit of self publication.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Grumps » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:10 pm

The whole country is being urged to stay away from these games, yet he advertises that he's going to turn up. Should be given a banning order on his own admissions

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Whitgord » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:15 pm

I think in the circumstances I would respect him much more if he accepted that he wouldn’t be attending and was encouraging no one else to do so. There will come a day when he is too old to get to a game so why worry now.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:40 pm

What a wally.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:40 pm
What a wally.
No he isn't,he's a Dave.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Jamesy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:26 pm

He needs to get hold of a Reays coach driver blazer and blag his way into the away grounds as the team coach driver. Mind you he would have to smarten up the rest of his attire looking at some of the clobber he wears to away games :lol:

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Fenwick » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:28 pm

I respect his long term dedication but I think he should admit defeat this season. It IS just a game, not life and death.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:37 pm

I think BFC should invite him to all the home games and he should try all ways to attend the away games. Let the legend live on. Don’t be so miserable.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:39 pm

How many subs are we allowed in these 9 games? How many do you think Sean Dyche will use? There's a solution to everything. Get our "superfan" on the team's staff. ;)

And, invite CT to join him.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by yorkyclaret » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:43 pm

Got to say, if he had got in by getting a job as a steward, I would have doffed my cap to him.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:45 pm

yorkyclaret wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:43 pm
Got to say, if he had got in by getting a job as a steward, I would have doffed my cap to him.
Are there stewards at games played behind closed doors?

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by MrTopTier » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:45 pm

Lad sits behind me has not missed a home game since 1974 as well, it’s no big deal.
We all want to be back, can’t be arsed with this I’m a bigger fan ********.
We all go back together, no exceptions.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by thomaspaine » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:01 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:39 pm
Not sure what's worse, declaring looking at illegal ways of getting in to grounds for the rest of the season or the self entitlement at feeling should be the only Burnley fan to be allowed to go to them...

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I personally think that he constitutes an exceptional circumstance and as such, if its at all possible for the club to accommodate him somehow, then they should. I know that there will be others who will feel that they too should qualify but as far as I'm aware nobody else comes close.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Stalbansclaret » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:06 pm

Fully agree....if possible the club should try and accommodate him. He gets quite a bit of positive press for us with his attendance record and it will be a shame if he loses this. Some of the posts on this thread seen incredibly pompous. Let him in!
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:12 pm

What’s the difference between him not missing a game for 46years and somebody younger who hasn’t missed a game in 40years?

There shouldn’t be any exceptions for any general public
So what if he loses his “title”. We’d all like to be at the games but we cant
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:18 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:39 pm
How many subs are we allowed in these 9 games? How many do you think Sean Dyche will use? There's a solution to everything. Get our "superfan" on the team's staff. ;)

And, invite CT to join him.

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No thanks. The games will be behind closed doors and I won’t be going. And that’s how it should be for everyone else.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Bosna » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:24 pm

If all you amount to is how many games you've gone without missing one, I feel for you.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:26 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:12 pm
What’s the difference between him not missing a game for 46years and somebody younger who hasn’t missed a game in 40years?
Is there someone in this category who hasn't missed any kind of match home or away for 40 years? If so then we should publicise it. Ok it's not 46 years, but it's still incredible and I doubt there'll be many in the country supporting any club who can equal it.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by dsr » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:32 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:45 pm
Lad sits behind me has not missed a home game since 1974 as well, it’s no big deal.
We all want to be back, can’t be arsed with this I’m a bigger fan ********.
We all go back together, no exceptions.
There's a difference between "not missed a home game" and "not missed a game". Mr. Burnley may be a nutcase, but what would life be without a few nutcases to brighten the day? (Though from reading his book, I;m not sorry he doesn't sit by me!)
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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:18 pm
No thanks. The games will be behind closed doors and I won’t be going. And that’s how it should be for everyone else.
The fine articles you put on here should entitle you to a journalist pass, or are they banned as well?
Re:the OP. As all matches are live on tv it does seem a touch excessive but no denying his commitment.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by martin_p » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:44 pm

Same rules for everyone.

Unless of course Mr Burnley isn’t sure whether his eye sight is good enough to see a goal in which case he should definitely be allowed to go to find out.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:53 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:45 pm
Are there stewards at games played behind closed doors?
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:55 pm

If he manages to get in illegally he should be banned for life for putting others at risk!

What a fool

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Oshkoshclaret » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:52 am

An interesting quirk of this situation is that he could legally hire a helicopter and hover over the stadium. Normally this wouldn’t come up as the flying regulations have a blanket ban on overflying outdoor assemblies of 1,000+ people.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:56 am

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:35 pm
The fine articles you put on here should entitle you to a journalist pass, or are they banned as well?
Re:the OP. As all matches are live on tv it does seem a touch excessive but no denying his commitment.
You need a certain number of articles and match reports published in national newspapers online or in paper form to qualify for a Premier League press pass. I looked into when I was working for a magazine in Thailand.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:03 am

Will directors be permitted?

Who will retrieve balls, when they go into the seating?

What does actually constitute 'behind closed doors?

No paying guests, perhaps, although all ST holders have already paid. Invitation for a reason.

I am with Dave Burnley.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:59 am

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:03 am
Will directors be permitted?

Who will retrieve balls, when they go into the seating?

What does actually constitute 'behind closed doors?

No paying guests, perhaps, although all ST holders have already paid. Invitation for a reason.
If it's similar to Germany then I would imagine that directors will count as "officials" and be allowed to be part of the 300.
If we're using multi-ball then retrieving the ball from the stands shouldn't be much of an issue.

With respect to what constitutes "behind closed doors", the only guidance I can find is that it says "no member of the general public", so it is probably down to each individual club to determine exactly who is reasonably entitled to be there in a "professional" capacity.
As Claret Tony writes a match report for every game we play and it is posted on an online forum that is widely read, I would have thought that he would have a pretty strong case for being granted a "journalist pass", whereas - unfortunately - Dave Burnley doesn't come into that category.
With regards to ST holders, I found this
A football stadium is not a public place, it is private property usually owned by the club or a company on behalf of the club. The club is therefore within their rights to restrict access to the stadium.

The fact the fans have already paid for the tickets ensures that the club would have to be justified in restricting their access. Where a club has been ordered to play behind closed doors by a national governing body it can be assumed that this decision would be regarded as justified.
And re: refunds:
Often the decision will lie with the club – in the context of club football – or the national governing body – in the context of international football – as to whether the fans will be provided with refunds.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:01 am

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:03 am
Will directors be permitted?

Who will retrieve balls, when they go into the seating?

What does actually constitute 'behind closed doors?

No paying guests, perhaps, although all ST holders have already paid. Invitation for a reason.

I am with Dave Burnley.
Ok.... Let's all try and get in the first home game, see what happens

Hopefully the police have seen the article and make him sign at a police station on the day of the games, around kick off time.

I cannot believe there are people who actually condone this behaviour.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Murger » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:05 am

We're all having to miss the game, no way an exception should be made for our resident superfan.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:11 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:26 pm
Is there someone in this category who hasn't missed any kind of match home or away for 40 years? If so then we should publicise it. Ok it's not 46 years, but it's still incredible and I doubt there'll be many in the country supporting any club who can equal it.
There maybe one. I don’t know

But think of it this way.
If the games were allowed to be played with a crowd but only if you could prove that you didn’t have the virus, but Dave did have the virus (and am I in no way saying that he does or that I wish him too), would people be pushing his case to get into see the game then?

Yes this is an extreme example by the principal still the same.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:17 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:59 am
As Claret Tony writes a match report for every game we play and it is posted on an online forum that is widely read, I would have thought that he would have a pretty strong case for being granted a "journalist pass"
Can we stop this immediately please. I have no rights to go in to any of the remaining games this season and I won't be attempting to attend them either. The message is very clear that these games are behind closed doors. I am not entitled to a pass of any kind and if I were I would not be taking it up in any case. I'm a supporter like the rest of you, nothing more, nothing less. I'm frustrated that I can't go to the games, like many more of you, but that's the way it has to be. Sorry, I know Dave Burnley well and like him, but what he's said is way out of order.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:20 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:11 am
There maybe one. I don’t know

But think of it this way.
If the games were allowed to be played with a crowd but only if you could prove that you didn’t have the virus, but Dave did have the virus (and am I in no way saying that he does or that I wish him too), would people be pushing his case to get into see the game then?

Yes this is an extreme example by the principal still the same.
Say somehow, he manages to get in the first game, how many will then try to do the same at the next game, and then all clubs fans would try it and before you know it games would be stopped. Would he be OK then?

Games are being played behind closed doors for a reason, and our front line workers don't need the extra work policing outside grounds when nobody should be there.

It could also end up with burnley having to play at neutral venues, iam sure Sean and the players would love that.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Hipper » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:26 am

Bosna wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:24 pm
If all you amount to is how many games you've gone without missing one, I feel for you.
I knew him for the period of his first book - I'm even mentioned in it.

Sure he goes beyond what most of us fans would do but it is a matter of degrees. Going up and down the country from London to follow the Clarets is also weird to most people.

The main point with Dave is that he is (or at least he was) an amiable lad that has made what for most is a hobby his whole life. Work, wives and children are adjuncts to this.

I don't think he should be offered any special considerations but we can sit back and admire his perseverance, even if it goes against scientific medical advice.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Bfcboyo » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:31 am

Milltown1882 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:39 pm
Not sure what's worse, declaring looking at illegal ways of getting in to grounds for the rest of the season or the self entitlement at feeling should be the only Burnley fan to be allowed to go to them...

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Third option and most likely the very poor made up reporting from the most desperate backward local tripe paper imaginable.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Local cricketer » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:11 am

What sort of goon hatches a plan to plan to sneak into a game but then goes and tells all local newspapers about his plan
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:21 am

Someone not being serious and probably hoping, due to the publicity and his incredible commitment, someone at the club will fix him up with an official invite ?
Fair enough if it works out for him.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:37 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:21 am
Someone not being serious and probably hoping, due to the publicity and his incredible commitment, someone at the club will fix him up with an official invite ?
Fair enough if it works out for him.
If any employee of burnley football club, does anything to help him get into a game, I hope they get fired on the spot

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Post by trawdenclaret » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:38 am

I hope Dave gets in his passion for Burnley is amazing.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:42 am

Be funny if he got into a game, then the club banned him

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Grumps » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:44 am

trawdenclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:38 am
I hope Dave gets in his passion for Burnley is amazing.
Is his passion more than mine, and if so, why?

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Stanbill05 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:44 am

To make any exceptions would be a massive mistake. Message should be absolutely clear and what better way to enforce your message than to say "even Dave Burnley won't find a way in - don't bother trying"

It will be interesting to see what the media footprint looks like though. That could be the weak link in any enforcement.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by conyoviejo » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:48 am

Just think about it,how many other clubs have fans like Dave who will be trying to get into matches.. :D

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:50 am

conyoviejo wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:48 am
Just think about it,how many other clubs have fans like Dave who will be trying to get into matches.. :D
Well we have about 15,000 who never missed a game in the 80s, they should all be on the list too
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by trawdenclaret » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:51 am

Grumps i am not comparing passion just posting what i think.

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:56 am

Grumps wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:44 am
Is his passion more than mine, and if so, why?
Crikey..Grumps is right ! I don't think Dave Burnley's passion for BFC is any greater than mine either but I'd have no problem if the club were to allow him to attend the games. There is some tremendous pomposity on this thread imho...Dave Burnley has changed his name by deed poll, named his daughter Clarette and attended every single game for this long period of time, writing books about his adventures. He regularly features in media coverage in a positive way and makes people more aware of our club........it's a shame if his record is broken. Let the man in I say.
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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:16 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:17 am
Can we stop this immediately please. I have no rights to go in to any of the remaining games this season and I won't be attempting to attend them either. The message is very clear that these games are behind closed doors. I am not entitled to a pass of any kind and if I were I would not be taking it up in any case. I'm a supporter like the rest of you, nothing more, nothing less. I'm frustrated that I can't go to the games, like many more of you, but that's the way it has to be. Sorry, I know Dave Burnley well and like him, but what he's said is way out of order.
That's totally fair enough, and we've already established that that's your clear position.
I was really making a more general point about who might "qualify" to attend as "media / press whatever", and it would be my view that people like yourself who report on matches and publish them online to a significant following, have a stronger case for attending and reporting than many others who - I have absolutely no doubt - will get a free pass on far more dubious grounds.
i.e. If I'm not at the game I'd much rather read your match report than anyone elses, though I suppose you could write a report based on tv footage, if it's available to you.
(I haven't anywhere - by the way - said that I support what Dave Burnley has said)

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Re: Dave Burnley '2 options legal, 2 illegal'

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:17 am

Stalbansclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:56 am
Let the man in I say.
Oh yes, to hell with the number of people who have died, to hell with restrictions placed on everyone, to hell with the fact they are behind closed doors. Get bloody real, no one should be going in our even attempting to.
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