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5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:43 pm

Premier League clubs have agreed to being able to use five subs for remaining games this season

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:44 pm

Big news for Kevin Long maybe.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:46 pm

What about Chelsea's 9 man bench proposal? - I am hoping it gets kicked into touch

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:49 pm

Dyche won't be happy.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by burnmark » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:58 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:46 pm
What about Chelsea's 9 man bench proposal? - I am hoping it gets kicked into touch
It’s happening.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by mdd2 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:06 pm

Surely they should revert a 3 from 5 sibs or even subs :D ruling, given a need to reduce risks of cross infections and risks of false negatives when testing for Covid-19

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:07 pm

burnmark wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:58 pm
It’s happening.
Ridiculous advantage to the big clubs with strong deep squads, especially as it looks like home advantage is lost behind closed doors
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:09 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:07 pm
Ridiculous advantage to the big clubs with strong deep squads, especially as it looks like home advantage is lost behind closed doors
Not necessarily.

Besides there are bigger things to worry about. But it could have an adverse affect. How many subs does Dyche make anyway? Very few. Tighter group, with a stable squad has proved priceless for us. Extra chopping and changing wouldnt necesarily help, regardless of fresh legs.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:10 pm

And nine permitted on the bench now confirmed

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Rowls » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:14 pm

Silly and unnecessary.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:21 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:09 pm
Not necessarily.

Besides there are bigger things to worry about. But it could have an adverse affect. How many subs does Dyche make anyway? Very few. Tighter group, with a stable squad has proved priceless for us. Extra chopping and changing wouldnt necesarily help, regardless of fresh legs.
9 on the bench and 5 subs allows the big teams to get a huge advantage, both tactically and strategically - they can approach the a match with multiple game plans and change players and approach to suit - even multiple subs to chase a game, then once that has been achieved replacing them to protect the score line - Jose will love it. I am certainly expecting to se subs being subbed in games

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Petersa » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:24 pm

A question as I haven't seen a game of "amateur" football for decades....how many subs do they have in a normal Sunday morning match?
The last time I was involved in such there was 1 sub who usually came on at half time to give everyone a game. Don't think I would be too happy turning up week ater week to be one of the unused subs at amateur level

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:24 pm

I think we'll see the differences in how this is applied when we play Man City.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:28 pm

Player comes on - takes a yellow card for the team - goes back off.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:28 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:21 pm
I am certainly expecting to se subs being subbed in games
Stan used to do that quite regularly

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Tall Paul » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:31 pm

Are they limiting it to three opportunities to make substitutions as was suggested originally?
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Wokingclaret » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:33 pm

Only 3 opportunities to make the 5 subs
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:37 pm

Follow the money.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:39 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:33 pm
Only 3 opportunities to make the 5 subs
That's a bit better than then I guess.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by dsr » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:41 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:31 pm
Are they limiting it to three opportunities to make substitutions as was suggested originally?
I think it's four opportunities, as long as one of them is half time. You're only allowed to stop play while the clock is running three times for substitutions; but at half time the clock isn't running.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by UnderSeige » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:42 pm

Why 5 subs? Do they think that some of the other eleven will not be fit enough to complete the 90 mins? That's if it is 90 mins.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:58 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:41 pm
I think it's four opportunities, as long as one of them is half time. You're only allowed to stop play while the clock is running three times for substitutions; but at half time the clock isn't running.
Is that three times per team?

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by TopCat » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:01 pm

Will allow us to give some of the youngsters a feel of a first team matchday squad.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ralphc » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:17 pm

According to Chris Boden we only have a squad of 20 to select from which means all nine on the bench, two of those being goalkeepers. Add to that 3 outfield players out of contract and it could leave us a little exposed if we get injuries early doors.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by turfytopper » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:18 pm

We are a team that rarely make tactical subs at all...to have such a rule change mid season is ridiculous.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:24 pm

ralphc wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:17 pm
According to Chris Boden we only have a squad of 20 to select from which means all nine on the bench, two of those being goalkeepers. Add to that 3 outfield players out of contract and it could leave us a little exposed if we get injuries early doors.
We have 20 players available registered in the Premier League squad (if you only include two goalkeepers in total) but then there is Dwight McNeil to add to that and players such as Ali Koiki, Mace Goodridge who have been on the bench previously.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:31 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:33 pm
Only 3 opportunities to make the 5 subs
Mourinho must think he is in paradise!

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Post by IanMcL » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:32 pm

Football for the big teams.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ralphc » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:24 pm
We have 20 players available registered in the Premier League squad (if you only include two goalkeepers in total) but then there is Dwight McNeil to add to that and players such as Ali Koiki, Mace Goodridge who have been on the bench previously.
Are they actually part of the squad now Tony and being tested?

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:34 pm

ralphc wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:33 pm
Are they actually part of the squad now Tony and being tested?
I went through the squad, removed Gibson (because he's not here) and BPF (to keep it down to two goalkeepers) and that left 21 players which is far more than we've had available for a lot of games previously this season. To add to that you've got the under-23 players, some of whom are training now with the first team.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:39 pm

If we were to kick off with the same team that played in the last match against Spurs, which was Pope, Bardsley, Tarkowski, Mee, Taylor, Hendrick, Westwood, Cork, McNeil, Rodriguez, Wood. It would leave us, without dipping into the under-23s to select nine from Hart, Lowton, Long, Pieters, JBG, Lennon, Brownhill, Brady, Vydra and Barnes for the bench.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by matttheclaret » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:39 pm
If we were to kick off with the same team that played in the last match against Spurs, which was Pope, Bardsley, Tarkowski, Mee, Taylor, Hendrick, Westwood, Cork, McNeil, Rodriguez, Wood. It would leave us, without dipping into the under-23s to select nine from Hart, Lowton, Long, Pieters, JBG, Lennon, Brownhill, Brady, Vydra and Barnes for the bench.
Might have missed this, but I'm assuming the players that were injured, Jay Rod, Lowton and JBG are all fit and available for selection again?

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:55 pm

matttheclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:44 pm
Might have missed this, but I'm assuming the players that were injured, Jay Rod, Lowton and JBG are all fit and available for selection again?
Dyche said they were being careful with Barnes but everyone else is fit - even JBG

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Rowls » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:58 pm

Opportunity for a few of the youth team to get a taste of the first team experience, even if they don't get on the pitch.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:04 pm

Rowls wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:58 pm
Opportunity for a few of the youth team to get a taste of the first team experience, even if they don't get on the pitch.
Some of the u23s are training with the firs team but the likes of Dunne, Goodridge, Koiki, Glennon & Benson have all previously been on the bench for Premier League games.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Foulthrow » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:05 pm

Is there a bonus for being on the bench? Could this cost clubs more money?

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:05 pm

A few on here are starting to sound like the Brighton and West Ham owners crying about things not being fair

Football is coming back thick and fast and a few extra subs aint gonna get me upset
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:23 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:05 pm
A few on here are starting to sound like the Brighton and West Ham owners crying about things not being fair
I would think there is every chance that our club voted in favour of it - it certainly needed 14 clubs to vote in favour to bring it in.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:55 pm

This is a good time to change the time wasting with subs that has slipped back in. Just do it like Rugby - one off one on. That can be controlled by the 4th official easily. No need for play to stop.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by joey13 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:55 pm
Dyche said they were being careful with Barnes but everyone else is fit - even JBG
Which makes the decision to play him for weeks while injured even more strange

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:30 pm

joey13 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:01 pm
Which makes the decision to play him for weeks while injured even more strange
Not sure why you think that. That sort of injury doesn't always require surgery and it was only when it became clear that it did that he was left out. Now, having had surgery, they are, as Dyche always is, being careful on his return.

They have enough medical and fitness people at the club to come to the correct decision. I'll trust their judgement.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by joey13 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:30 pm
Not sure why you think that. That sort of injury doesn't always require surgery and it was only when it became clear that it did that he was left out. Now, having had surgery, they are, as Dyche always is, being careful on his return.

They have enough medical and fitness people at the club to come to the correct decision. I'll trust their judgement.
Surely anyone who watched Barnes could tell he wasn’t quite right .
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by mikeS » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:39 pm

Not known the League to change its rules mid-season.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:41 pm

joey13 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:38 pm
Surely anyone who watched Barnes could tell he wasn’t quite right .
As I said, we have medical and fitness staff of the highest order at our club. He wouldn't have been playing had he not been considered fit enough to play.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:42 pm

mikeS wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:39 pm
Not known the League to change its rules mid-season.
It's not so much the league but an option given to them by FIFA. It still needed 14 or more clubs in favour though to change it.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:45 pm

Are the fixtures out?
I’ve seen a list showing our first three games on Monday 8pm, Thurs 6pm and Monday 8pm but not sure if it’s genuine.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by thelaughingclaret » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:49 pm

9 players on a bench built for 7 is going to mean social distancing rules aren't met.
Is Dave Burnley going to be on our bench as one of the extras? Great way to get our lord and saviour who is a better fan and a better person of course then all of us combined into the ground so he can break lockdown and empty stadium laws. I want a staute of the great man outside the ground so we can all bask in his glory when we all return.

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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by Zlatan » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:05 pm

Room for Dave Burnley on the bench then...
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:13 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:21 pm
9 on the bench and 5 subs allows the big teams to get a huge advantage, both tactically and strategically - they can approach the a match with multiple game plans and change players and approach to suit - even multiple subs to chase a game, then once that has been achieved replacing them to protect the score line - Jose will love it. I am certainly expecting to se subs being subbed in games
Fair enough. But if that’s the case it affects us all equally outside the so called big six.

There’s always something that people say favour the top sides. But it’s never stopped us beating Man Utd. Man City. Chelsea. Spurs. Liverpool. And the rest (Arsenal aside) down the years.

I don’t think it’s a big deal. And even if it is there’s bigger things to worry about than how many subs a team can make.
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Re: 5 subs allowed in remaining games

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:15 pm

TopCat wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:01 pm
Will allow us to give some of the youngsters a feel of a first team matchday squad.
Exactly. Who knows. It could be the opportunity Koiki and co need.

McNeil and Chapelle both got an opportunity in circumstances we wouldn’t have wanted. Both never looked back.

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