Hendrick & Bardsley

[beddie]

My morning rag saying that Dyche wants to keep both but the Chairman and Board are only prepared to offer them short term contracts until the end of the season due to the uncertainties relating to how much the shutdown will cost them. Worrying to say the least.

[AlargeClaret]

Bards was only gonna get a short deal anyway ,as for Jeff his agent has been busy and quite public so he may have better offers .Id like to keep both but they’re not irreplaceable

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Not that I’d agree with them but I can see their reasoning.
Bardsley is 35 but if he goes we would need good cover. For me sign him.
Hendrick has already had his replacement signed, Brownhill. We don’t know the truth about Celtic rumours but I’d still want to keep him.

[ClaretTony]

as for Jeff his agent has been busy and quite public

Not heard anything from his agent, don't even know who it is.

[ClaretTony]

Hendrick has already had his replacement signed, Brownhill.

Brownhill brought in as Drinkwater's replacement who was brought in as Defour's replacement.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Neither of them are bigger than the Club or irreplaceable. Sure in the old market we could’ve got a few quid for Hendrick. But as it stands things are uncertain, he’s not committed at all etc

Personally I’d call his bluff and let him go if he isn’t happy with what’s on the table. There will be other players in his boat we could look to secure. And a lot of lower league clubs more desperate than before. So there could be some bargains about.

[ClaretTony]

My morning rag saying that Dyche wants to keep both but the Chairman and Board are only prepared to offer them short term contracts until the end of the season due to the uncertainties relating to how much the shutdown will cost them. Worrying to say the least.

Very worrying and the relationship between Dyche and Garlic seems to be going very sour. For some time now Dyche has had his little digs at us not opening things up a bit.

[Tribesmen]

Hard to say what is going on at the moment , anything is possible

[Buxtonclaret]

I'd love keep both.
Bards is still well capable at this level.
Like Jeff to sign another long term deal.

But you can also see it from the clubs point of view.
I really don't think it just going to be us 'umming & arrring' over players and their contracts during this crisis.

[kaptin1]

Very worrying and the relationship between Dyche and Garlic seems to be going very sour. For some time now Dyche has had his little digs at us not opening things up a bit.

If Dyche leaves it will rip the heart out of the club, much as it did when Coyle left. I doubt he would leave in a similar manner, but nevertheless his are huge boots to fill. We’ll be back in the Championship before we know it.

[Quickenthetempo]

Very worrying and the relationship between Dyche and Garlic seems to be going very sour. For some time now Dyche has had his little digs at us not opening things up a bit.

I wouldn't call it going sour. It's very common in football.

Manager wants more money, better players. Chairman a bit more cautious with money that he has to be responsible for replacing.

[ClaretTony]

I wouldn't call it going sour. It's very common in football.

Manager wants more money, better players. Chairman a bit more cautious with money that he has to be responsible for replacing.

I think the relationship has changed to be honest

[Iloveyoubrady]

If the season gets back under way I highly doubt we’ll loose much money anyways and should be in a great position to pick up championship players. We get 2 million per position, and that will more than make up for the ticket monies.

[ClaretTony]

If the season gets back under way I highly doubt we’ll loose much money anyways and should be in a great position to pick up championship players. We get 2 million per position, and that will more than make up for the ticket monies.

We are going to lose a significant amount of money even if the season is finished

[Iloveyoubrady]

We are going to lose a significant amount of money even if the season is finished

Oh, how come?

[summitclaret]

I wouldn't call it going sour. It's very common in football.

Manager wants more money, better players. Chairman a bit more cautious with money that he has to be responsible for replacing.

Given the uncertainty, especially after the bad news on R yesterday, I think the club are 100% right to hold back on committing to extending contracts beyond the end of this July atm. It is by no means certain now that games will start on 17 June imo. Feel sorry for Bards, bur less so for Geff and his agent. Player power needs to be reduced and that could be one of the few good things to come out this terrible period in our lives.

[gtclaret]

Dyche is looking from a football angle and knows that we cannot continue as a Premiership club with the current budget. Each year the cost of recruiting rises, but the transfer fees of £10-15million pounds that we want to pay hasn't changed in the last 4 years despite the TV revenue. This is making it virtually imposes to recruit players of the right qualities. Garlick wants the club to live within its income without any outside investment.

[ClaretTony]

Oh, how come?

The broadcasters are owed money because the games weren't able to go ahead when scheduled and when they are played they are under different circumtances. I think the total lost is around £340 million between the 20 clubs. Sky have agreed to defer the repayment until 2021/22 season but the international broadcasters haven't. If the season isn't able to finish then it will be catastrophic.

[Iloveyoubrady]

The broadcasters are owed money because the games weren't able to go ahead when scheduled and when they are played they are under different circumtances. I think the total lost is around £340 million between the 20 clubs. Sky have agreed to defer the repayment until 2021/22 season but the international broadcasters haven't. If the season isn't able to finish then it will be catastrophic.

Oh, I see. Thanks

[Spijed]

The broadcasters are owed money because the games weren't able to go ahead when scheduled and when they are played they are under different circumtances. I think the total lost is around £340 million between the 20 clubs. Sky have agreed to defer the repayment until 2021/22 season but the international broadcasters haven't. If the season isn't able to finish then it will be catastrophic.

By finishing a few places higher in mid-table (than in 17th) surely we should be able to off-set most of the amount paid back in additional prize money that we won't have expected.

[Chester Perry]

If the season gets back under way I highly doubt we’ll loose much money anyways and should be in a great position to pick up championship players. We get 2 million per position, and that will more than make up for the ticket monies.

I would love you to explain how you came to that conclusion - I am genuinely interested

[claretandy]

I would love you to explain how you came to that conclusion - I am genuinely interested

If we budget for 17th, and finish at least 10th, then that's 14m towards the shortfall.

[Chester Perry]

If we budget for 17th, and finish at least 10th, then that's 14m towards the shortfall.

Are you really sure about that - I can think of a few reasons why that doesn't work this year

[Steve1956]

Jeff's gone, how sad,who will our support turn on now,we are going to miss that fella..Good Luck Jeff and thanks for the memories my favourite being your goal against Everton.

[mdd2]

Very worrying and the relationship between Dyche and Garlic seems to be going very sour. For some time now Dyche has had his little digs at us not opening things up a bit.

May be getting time for a change then. Personally think we would suffer more than Dyche from any split. Think SD has 2 years left on his contract.
Losing the architect of a great dressing room could hit team spirit hard

[evensteadiereddie]

Jeff's gone, how sad,who will our support turn on now,we are going to miss that fella..Good Luck Jeff and thanks for the memories my favourite being your goal against Everton.

Well, I think our experts have gone through almost all the team, I'm taking a punt on Pope, Mee or Tarks especially if we get battered at City.

Again.

[Spijed]

Are you really sure about that - I can think of a few reasons why that doesn't work this year

Isn't prize money for finishing places separate to TV money?

[ksrclaret]

I can certainly see why we're reluctant to award new contracts when the finances are so uncertain. Bardsley maybe would accept a one year deal, although I doubt he'd take a pay cut, but Hendrick you'd think will be after a large contract on bigger money.

We did extend Westwood and Brady's deals though didn't we? Did we have any choice in that or was it contractual if they hit a certain number of appearances?

I really hope Dyche and Garlick's relationship is not souring. Our biggest strength is surely the unity of the club and that has been from top to bottom.

[TVC15]

Are you really sure about that - I can think of a few reasons why that doesn't work this year

Hi Chester
Is the prize money for where you finish in the league been invalidated this season ? I assumed it was still applicable but not as close to the contracts as you.

If it still is applicable we are still taking a hit of between £30m and £40m in terms of total lost revenue this season. And we don’t know what’s happening next year yet either but I would be amazed if we are not looking at further hits on our finances.

Whatever way you look at it extremely worrying times for the club and we must have a lot of our players and our manager who are thinking it could be the time to think about their own future - and there will be plenty of vultures (sorry agents) circling the club knowing this.

[Chester Perry]

By finishing a few places higher in mid-table (than in 17th) surely we should be able to off-set most of the amount paid back in additional prize money that we won't have expected.

That kind of works in principle, but:
- nobody outside the Premier League knows how much smaller the distribution post pandemic has become, because:
- nobody outside the Premier League knows what the cycle expected distribution would have been before the pause as we are in the first season of a new cycle
- nobody outside the Premier League and the particular EFL clubs in receipt (and possibly the EFL) knows if Parachute Payments have been paid as per cycle expected revenues this season or adjusted to fit the new pot.
- nobody knows what the TV rights revenues will actually be for next season if it is played behind closed doors and does not start on schedule in August (the two key issues behind this seasons rebate).
- nobody knows if the Solidarity and Parachute Payments next season will be as per cycle expected revenues or adjusted to meet revised revenues

We know that:
- The EFL have received the full solidarity payment as per cycle expected revenues this season
- The EFL have received an advance of 50% of the solidarity payment as per cycle expected revenues for next season

EDIT should add that
- nobody knows if the Premier Leagues operational costs have increased above budget (or even what that budget is) as a result of the pandemic
- nobody outside the Premier League knows what the central commercial distribution (approx £5m per club/per season last cycle) was as per cycle expected revenues this season or what rebates have been requested on them
- nobody knows what the central commercial distribution (approx £5m per club/per season last cycle) rebates will be next season

[beddie]

It will be a big loss losing the two of them. Dyche of course would be an even bigger loss. Perhaps he's got to the point where he's thinking I don't want this predictable challenge season after season just simply trying to keep us up knowing it's unlikely the budget will be significantly increased. Can we match his ambition. I'm reasonably sure he'll see his contract out unless someone comes knocking.

[Blackburn_Claret]

Should keep Bardsley, hendrick can go for me then maybe Brady can get his form back when he's concentrating on his football and not playing stupid games with his best mate .

[Chester Perry]

Hi Chester
Is the prize money for where you finish in the league been invalidated this season ? I assumed it was still applicable but not as close to the contracts as you.

If it still is applicable we are still taking a hit of between £30m and £40m in terms of total lost revenue this season. And we don’t know what’s happening next year yet either but I would be amazed if we are not looking at further hits on our finances.

Whatever way you look at it extremely worrying times for the club and we must have a lot of our players and our manager who are thinking it could be the time to think about their own future - and there will be plenty of vultures (sorry agents) circling the club knowing this.

The distribution formulae will still apply, but the pots are smaller - the Overseas one from which additional merit money was to come by at least £160m - remember the merit money there comes from a pot generated once the threshold for equal distribution has been achieved. The pot for merit payments from Domestic income will also be reduced but (as you will see in my last post) nobody really knows by how much at this time.

[Chester Perry]

Isn't prize money for finishing places separate to TV money?

definitely not - it is comprised of:
- 25% of the Domestic TV distribution pot
- All the remaining distribution pot for Overseas broadcast income - once the threshold level for equal payment has been achieved (that equates to the Overseas broadcast share in the 2016/19 cycle - around £43.2m per club)

[bobinho]

If Brownhill is defours replacement, then he starts.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Got to keep them both for me. Hendrick wether you like it or not is of massive importance to us, plays wherever he’s asked , often out of position and puts a shift in. We’d do well to find someone better than him for under £10-£15m in today’s market I’d say, and especially in today’s climate.

Bardsley has been brilliant , just need a young gun coming through to replace him and Lowton . Who though I’m not sure.

[Spijed]

That kind of works in principle, but:
- nobody outside the Premier League knows how much smaller the distribution post pandemic has become, because:
- nobody outside the Premier League knows what the cycle expected distribution would have been before the pause as we are in the first season of a new cycle
- nobody outside the Premier League and the particular EFL clubs in receipt (and possibly the EFL) knows if Parachute Payments have been paid as per cycle expected revenues this season or adjusted to fit the new pot.
- nobody knows what the TV rights revenues will actually be for next season if it is played behind closed doors and does not start on schedule in August (the two key issues behind this seasons rebate).
- nobody knows if the Solidarity and Parachute Payments next season will be as per cycle expected revenues or adjusted to meet revised revenues

We know that:
- The EFL have received the full solidarity payment as per cycle expected revenues this season
- The EFL have received an advance of 50% of the solidarity payment as per cycle expected revenues for next season

EDIT should add that
- nobody knows if the Premier Leagues operational costs have increased above budget (or even what that budget is) as a result of the pandemic
- nobody outside the Premier League knows what the central commercial distribution (approx £5m per club/per season last cycle) was as per cycle expected revenues this season or what rebates have been requested on them
- nobody knows what the central commercial distribution (approx £5m per club/per season last cycle) rebates will be next season

One thing it does show though, that supporters up and down the country who think that the current season should be declared null and void, and that football shouldn't return until people are allowed back into the grounds are being selfish, stupid or perhaps both as there won't be much football to come back to.

[aggi]

The broadcasters are owed money because the games weren't able to go ahead when scheduled and when they are played they are under different circumtances. I think the total lost is around £340 million between the 20 clubs. Sky have agreed to defer the repayment until 2021/22 season but the international broadcasters haven't. If the season isn't able to finish then it will be catastrophic.

Have you got a link to that in more detail? It entirely passed me by

[Chester Perry]

One thing it does show though, that supporters up and down the country who think that the current season should be declared null and void, and that football shouldn't return until people are allowed back into the grounds are being selfish, stupid or perhaps both as there won't be much football to come back to.

It has been said a few times - Football is only coming back because it has to generate money to both meet and pay off it's contractual commitments. Most people in the game, I suspect, would rather wait until it was safe for the full blown experience to return. The business that the game has become, ensures the need to get it up and running asap, even though most (possibly all) Premier League clubs will run at an operational loss next season if the "ghost games" last the whole season.

[ClaretTony]

Have you got a link to that in more detail? It entirely passed me by

It’s about a month since the news first came out of the Premier League but it was this week that I read Sky were going to permit deferred payment.

[Chester Perry]

Have you got a link to that in more detail? It entirely passed me by

here is one

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/pre ... oronavirus

[NewClaret]

I think the relationship has changed to be honest

Worrying.

Whenever I read a story like this I always wonder whether (hope) is a) media bs because I know how they work, or b) it’s a genius use of the media by SD/MG to play a good cop/bad cop routine keep the players and agents on their toes.

Hopefully Garlick isn’t daft enough not to acknowledge how important SD is for the club and he’s doing his best to keep him happy without being wreckless.

Would like both Bardsley and Jeff to re-sign, but patience is wearing a bit thin with Jeff now. If he’s going the club should just announce it. If he’s staying he should get on with signing an extension.

[aggi]

here is one

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/pre ... oronavirus

Cheers. Given that the games are eventually being broadcast (and more besides) I wonder what has actually triggered the rebate, I can't see that anywhere. The suggestion in the Athletic seems to be that it will be repaid in line with the expected club by club share rather than on a flat pro rata so I guess that will be ~ £14m or so for Burnley (obviously very much finger in the air there given the season hasn't finished).

[JohnMac]

I suspect Garlick's own business will be suffering as a result of the pandemic. That will be a major distraction.
I have a friend with a similar business and he is suffering badly.

[Chester Perry]

Cheers. Given that the games are eventually being broadcast (and more besides) I wonder what has actually triggered the rebate, I can't see that anywhere. The suggestion in the Athletic seems to be that it will be repaid in line with the expected club by club share rather than on a flat pro rata so I guess that will be ~ £14m or so for Burnley (obviously very much finger in the air there given the season hasn't finished).

It is very specifically down, to contracted schedules not been adhered too and the lack of fans to generate the atmosphere and together with the tension (think about all those cut-aways to the stands at the end of the season, joy, despair, relief and grief. Fans can make a huge difference to performances at this time of the season.

[Chester Perry]

I suspect Garlick's own business will be suffering as a result of the pandemic. That will be a major distraction.
I have a friend with a similar business and he is suffering badly.

And John B

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Stirring the pot. There’s no problem between them at all.

Our greatest ever manager and our most sensible chairman who that manager buys into. Match made in heaven.

You'd know all about **** stirring

[jrgbfc]

Maybe Garlick and Mike Rigg think we should be looking to bring the age of the squad down a bit? Has to be a worry that Dyche could leave in a year or two and we'll be left with a group of players mainly aged 31-35, all on good money with little to no resale value. Which would result in a huge rebuilding job for the next man coming in.

[Iloveyoubrady]

We pay a lot of our wages in bonuses so surely we can just cut back there and save the money we loose from the pandemic. Other clubs may well be in a worse position than us after this, so we may be able to sign a few players who could have been out of reach.

[Chester Perry]

We pay a lot of our wages in bonuses so surely we can just cut back there and save the money we loose from the pandemic. Other clubs may well be in a worse position than us after this, so we may be able to sign a few players who could have been out of reach.

Bonuses are included in contracts so they are legally binding in accordance to their triggers. We know a very large proportion of our bonuses are triggered by staying in the Premier League - i.e. not paid in a relegation year. What we do not know, and probably never will, is if the bonuses are contained solely by TV revenue - if they are, adjustments will automatically be made accordingly, if not they will have to be paid at some point, even if the staff choose/agree to defer them. As for the size, Sean Dyche recently said that bonuses made up about 30% of last season wages for those that got them on the football staff.

A previously held theory that bonuses were contained by the merit payments from the Premier League, was totally disproven in the last set of accounts. this does not mean the bonuses are not contained by TV income, we just don't know.