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Leaves see.

Post by Pstotto » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:59 pm

Leaves see.Look at their sensitivity to light and actual energy use of it. There's an adjuster making decisions clearly evidenced. One cannot say that a leaf is not sensitive to light and capable of mediating and transforming light information. 50,000 information gathering sources for a sensitive adjuster suggest plant may be capable of seeing.

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:30 pm

Difficult to comment until you define 'see', 'seeing', 'sight' etc.

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Fenwick » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:40 pm

A plant version of a compound eye?
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:46 pm

My grandma used to say dogs could see more with their noses than we could see with our eyes.
Is there a Dogplant?

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Post by tim_noone » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:57 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:46 pm
My grandma used to say dogs could see more with their noses than we could see with our eyes.
Is there a Dogplant?
Yes... :roll:

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:31 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:57 pm
Yes... :roll:
Well then. There you go. ;)
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Vintage Claret » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:35 pm

Leaves see? Unbeleavable Jeff!

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Post by Pstotto » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:04 am

Yes, Fenwick. Each photo-receptive leaf cell could be the equivalent of a pixel on a digital image taken from a digital camera. Not only that but sensitive to energy, maybe even self-taste-as incoming information, as a form of visual and from that sensual and with movement, plant synesthesia.

Plants exhibit a high degree of controlled movement and reciprocation with their environment and nobody really knows where the plants seat of operations are, just as much as nobody really knows where and what consciousness is.

So plants may see and be entirely visually aware and looking.
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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:15 am

Very interesting things, are leaves.

When light hits their photoreceptors it is transduced into a chemical signal that triggers the production of auxins which mediate the elongation of the shaded side of a shoot to ensure the plant always grows towards the light stimulus. The signal ensures the roots do the opposite, in growing away from the light stimulus.

Lie a shoot on its side on top of some soil, and eventually it's possible that it'll have 'moved' to be upright.
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:16 am

Vintage I was walking through Harlem the other day and...
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:18 am

ksrclaret, we have no way of knowing what that sense mediation of light phenomena, is.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:23 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:46 pm
My grandma used to say dogs could see more with their noses than we could see with our eyes.
Is there a Dogplant?
Why so much arse sniffing then surely you would avoid.

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by ksrclaret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:26 am

Pstotto wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:18 am
ksrclaret, we have no way of knowing what that sense mediation of light phenomena, is.
A few years ago scientists discovered that calcium ions are involved in the chemical signals sent by some receptors. That suggests that communication between different parts of a plant and indeed with neighbouring plants is electrical, which is of course the basis of nervous communication.

Lots still to uncover about the internal molecular environment of plants.

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Pstotto » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:28 am

Buxton's grandma may have a point, if dogs could Cartesian space locate a perceived external world as a kind of lazer image, a bit like bats and sound.

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:51 am

Pstotto wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:28 am
Buxton's grandma may have a point, if dogs could Cartesian space locate a perceived external world as a kind of lazer image, a bit like bats and sound.
My Grandma's point exactly, Pstotto. 8-)
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Vintage Claret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:37 am

Pstotto wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:16 am
Vintage I was walking through Harlem the other day and...
Saw a globetrotter?

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:42 am

Here's an extremely full, academic study
https://academic.oup.com/jxb/article/68/9/2099/3857754

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Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:10 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:46 pm
My grandma used to say dogs could see more with their noses than we could see with our eyes.
Is there a Dogplant?
Yes it's a Cauli 😂
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:16 pm

Or a poin"setter".
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:19 pm

A dog rose

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:23 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:10 pm
Yes it's a Cauli 😂
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:23 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:16 pm
Or a poin"setter".
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Leaves see.

Post by atlantalad » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:03 am

The only leaves I've seen looking at me really intently such that I could see their eyes looked like this
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Re: Leaves see.

Post by Pstotto » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:41 am

Hence the OP... :-)

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