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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by NewClaret » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:25 pm

ClaretAL wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:18 pm
I prefer the badge on the left as it is what i grew up with and supported. But I do understand that others grew up with the badge on the Right
I prefer the old badge, although the existing is good also. Would love to see some of the kits use the original.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by burnmark » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:25 pm
A few years ago, might have been the tin foil kit, we changed the badge to match the shirt colour. The club confirmed it wouldn’t happen again but it has several times.

The badge should be the badge.
I think our first monochrome badge appeared on this kit.
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:28 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:38 pm
Still no news
Even LancsLive are fed up of waiting now and have asked somebody to do a concept kit (at least it’s got the right sponsor & maker)



https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... r-18752258
Really like those, so much so that the new kits may disappoint me...

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:32 pm

burnmark wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:28 pm
I think our first monochrome badge appeared on this kit.
Didn't Eddie Howe and Tindall chose that kit based on the England kit at the time? Sure I read that dyche hated it.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:59 pm

ClaretAL wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:18 pm
I prefer the badge on the left as it is what i grew up with and supported. But I do understand that others grew up with the badge on the Right
We didn’t really grow up with the badge now used. That was brought in following relegation in 2010. It is virtually identical to the old cost of arms we used to wear.

But whatever is our badge I believe that is what should be on the shirt, not one coloured to match the shirt.
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:00 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:32 pm
Didn't Eddie Howe and Tindall chose that kit based on the England kit at the time? Sure I read that dyche hated it.
They did I think, was told it was Tindall.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by martin_p » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:05 pm

ClaretAL wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:18 pm
I prefer the badge on the left as it is what i grew up with and supported. But I do understand that others grew up with the badge on the Right
I grew up with the badge on the left but prefer the one on the right.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:33 pm

ClaretAL wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:18 pm
I prefer the badge on the left as it is what i grew up with and supported. But I do understand that others grew up with the badge on the Right
Think the club missed a trick and should have at least canvassed fans on the badge change before it happened? personally much prefer the one on the left irrespective of we used to use the one on the right years and years ago. Bit of a bug bear of mine tbh.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by nyclaret » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:35 pm

I’d be in favour for a new badge to be honest...

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:43 pm

When we are saying badge on the left or right are we talking when wearing it or looking at it?

I’ve always know it as on the left (wearing it) and I think most clubs have it there

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by whiffa » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:48 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:43 pm
When we are saying badge on the left or right are we talking when wearing it or looking at it?

I’ve always know it as on the left (wearing it) and I think most clubs have it there
Traditionally the badge is always worn on the left breast, nearer the heart. It used to symbolise pride and playing for the badge I believe. Not sure if there are any stipulations now though to enforce the badge's position these days.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:11 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:43 pm
When we are saying badge on the left or right are we talking when wearing it or looking at it?

I’ve always know it as on the left (wearing it) and I think most clubs have it there
None. It's in response to the photo posted earlier in the thread (on the previous page) the left was the badge used prior to 09/10, the right was the current badge. I agree that the fans should have been asked prior to any changes. I'm sure the belief was at the time that the badge was initially only for 1 season and was the coat of arms I believe but because of the PL exposure decided to keep a modified version of it.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:12 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:35 pm
I’d be in favour for a new badge to be honest...

I think I agree. I liked the sentiment of going back to commemorate the 50 year anniversary of winning the league, when the current crest was reintroduced, but I suspect if we hadn’t been promoted to the Premier League that season we might’ve reverted back to the previous badge.

A season in the top flight boosted the Burnley FC brand and changing back might not have been wise.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by RammyClaret61 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:32 pm

I prefer the monotone ones to be honest. Look far better than the coloured one on the home shirt. Never liked it. Wish we’d only had it for one year and reverted back to the we had, the one most of us grew up with.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Pstotto » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:36 pm

When the Burnley/Bournemouth VAR handball fiasco happened, afterwards the PL said for the coming season all strips would have to adhere to the shoulder seam model (like Burnley's current strip) as a level playing field for making decisions.

This seems to have been abandoned, the strips for the next season that have been presented don't follow that guideline.

Strange...

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:11 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:11 pm
None. It's in response to the photo posted earlier in the thread (on the previous page) the left was the badge used prior to 09/10, the right was the current badge. I agree that the fans should have been asked prior to any changes. I'm sure the belief was at the time that the badge was initially only for 1 season and was the coat of arms I believe but because of the PL exposure decided to keep a modified version of it.
That makes sense now.
They were that far back in the thread I’d forgotten they had been posted :)

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by box_of_frogs » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:22 am

There’ll be crowds on the turf before any new kit is revealed.......

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by BenWickes » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:23 am

Pstotto wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:36 pm
When the Burnley/Bournemouth VAR handball fiasco happened, afterwards the PL said for the coming season all strips would have to adhere to the shoulder seam model (like Burnley's current strip) as a level playing field for making decisions.

This seems to have been abandoned, the strips for the next season that have been presented don't follow that guideline.

Strange...
If the Ref, assistants or people watching on VAR can't tell where the arm starts and ends then we're in more trouble than I thought.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by CardiffClaret » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:32 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:59 pm
We didn’t really grow up with the badge now used. That was brought in following relegation in 2010. It is virtually identical to the old cost of arms we used to wear.

But whatever is our badge I believe that is what should be on the shirt, not one coloured to match the shirt.
Wasn’t that badge first brought in for our first Premier League season in 2009? I think it was to commemorate the 50 year anniversary of the English championship winning season.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:55 am

CardiffClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:32 am
Wasn’t that badge first brought in for our first Premier League season in 2009? I think it was to commemorate the 50 year anniversary of the English championship winning season.
Not quiet (but only on a technicality)

2009 version had the latin phrase Pretiumque Et Causa Laboris
2010 version changes to Burnley Football Club which is what we now use

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by CardiffClaret » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:41 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:55 am
Not quiet (but only on a technicality)

2009 version had the latin phrase Pretiumque Et Causa Laboris
2010 version changes to Burnley Football Club which is what we now use
Ok thanks!

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by MACCA » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:58 am

Out at the end of August

Could be revealed next week.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:06 am

CardiffClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:32 am
Wasn’t that badge first brought in for our first Premier League season in 2009? I think it was to commemorate the 50 year anniversary of the English championship winning season.
Wilks_bfc has answered it - because the shirts in 2009/10 were commemorative shirts for the 50th anniversary the club sought permission to use the old County Borough of Burnley Coat of Arms. In some ways it was a mistake because in the championship season of 1959/60 we hadn't worn any badge on the shirts although we quickly adopted that coat of arms afterwards.

It just happened to be our first ever season in the Premier League and the global exposure that gave us so the club, rightly or wrongly, decided to stick closely to that coat of arms but changed it to make it a BFC badge which we have used ever since. The previous badge had been the club badge from 1973 to 2010.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by NewClaret » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:23 am

MACCA wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:58 am
Out at the end of August

Could be revealed next week.
I had heard released for pre-order “mid August” and available “end of August” so all ties in. Next week it is then.

Think the club are leaving it so long so that fans feel like they’ve had their kits for two seasons and it’s time to swap!!

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by martin_p » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:43 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:06 am
Wilks_bfc has answered it - because the shirts in 2009/10 were commemorative shirts for the 50th anniversary the club sought permission to use the old County Borough of Burnley Coat of Arms. In some ways it was a mistake because in the championship season of 1959/60 we hadn't worn any badge on the shirts although we quickly adopted that coat of arms afterwards.

It just happened to be our first ever season in the Premier League and the global exposure that gave us so the club, rightly or wrongly, decided to stick closely to that coat of arms but changed it to make it a BFC badge which we have used ever since. The previous badge had been the club badge from 1973 to 2010.
Although it didn’t appear on the home shirt until the 79/80 season, having first appeared on the yellow away shirt in 76/77.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:48 am

martin_p wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:43 am
Although it didn’t appear on the home shirt until the 79/80 season, having first appeared on the yellow away shirt in 76/77.
It didn't - we initially had the all claret shirt with the BFC on it and then the V shirt.

Jack Butterfield introduced the badge simply so we could trademark it which, of course, we could never do with the coat of arms which then disappeared in 1974 with the reorganisation of local government.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Zlatan » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:51 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:23 am
I had heard released for pre-order “mid August” and available “end of August” so all ties in. Next week it is then.

Think the club are leaving it so long so that fans feel like they’ve had their kits for two seasons and it’s time to swap!!
...they didn’t specify which August...
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by TopCat » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:57 am

With fans not spending on attending games I would have thought a bit of spare money would be available via Club shop.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by martin_p » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:58 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:48 am
It didn't - we initially had the all claret shirt with the BFC on it and then the V shirt.

Jack Butterfield introduced the badge simply so we could trademark it which, of course, we could never do with the coat of arms which then disappeared in 1974 with the reorganisation of local government.
I was too young in 1973 to be that interested in football so don’t know the history behind the 1973 badge. Who came up with the design?

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:17 am

martin_p wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:58 am
I was too young in 1973 to be that interested in football so don’t know the history behind the 1973 badge. Who came up with the design?
As far as I know, the club just produced it, I don't recall anything other than that.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Pstotto » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:45 pm

The incident happened, I wrote a letter saying in this matter, because of the diversity of physical nature, the arm/shoulder boundary is debatable without a football top on at all.

Therefore the approximation that sets a standard 'Pie' symbol close to what's needed, is like last season's Burnley top with an obvious shoulder/arm boundary.

They agreed inasmuch as that a rule change to standardize the debate was needed and that all tops for next season should have that design boundary.

They can't have electronic sensitive shirts because there may be a failure in the shirt deliberately or otherwise.

Now having seen the fayre from what's been posted, that rule looks to have been discarded, perhaps for Chinese betting i.e. more right/wrong decisions either way, with football being reduced to an in-play who-done-it for the kicks of Sichaun province or wherever this market demand has caused this to happen.

Football ceased to be a 'temple raid' sport.

If you look at a pitch layout, the Palladian domed architecture of the 'Temple' of the goal area as a perpendicular picture, with the centre spot the full moon in 'the god's' reflection upon seeing matter).

Now it's a forum for political judgement.

I prefer the sport to the political forum of judgement ruled over by Dial Square.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by burnmark » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:28 am

Taken from Turfcast’s twitter post. These are the new Panini collector cards for next season.

Although photoshopped onto an action shots from this season, the shirt looks a lot better in these pictures than the ones leaked previously.
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by superdimitri » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:53 am

So the leaked design was correct. The sleeves look awful but at least on VAR it will look less like a handball when Barnes takes the ball down on his chest.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by nyclaret » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:35 am

I wonder what the delay is then? Why are we so last minute with these things?

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ArmchairDetective » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:29 am

nyclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:35 am
I wonder what the delay is then? Why are we so last minute with these things?
My guess (maybe naively) was that we were holding out for a new signing to release the new shirt with at the same time. I've started to lose faith in that idea.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by nyclaret » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:37 am

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:29 am
My guess (maybe naively) was that we were holding out for a new signing to release the new shirt with at the same time. I've started to lose faith in that idea.
Maybe give it two more weeks then :lol:

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:52 am

That PSG shirt. With mebbe a claret and yellow stripe? That’s hot.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Firthy » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:21 am

burnmark wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:28 am
Taken from Turfcast’s twitter post. These are the new Panini collector cards for next season.

Although photoshopped onto an action shots from this season, the shirt looks a lot better in these pictures than the ones leaked previously.
Oh dear. That shirt is diabolical, I can't think of anything nice to say about it which includes the neck, sleeves and logo. The only good thing is they have the colours claret and blue right. Hope fully the 2nd and 3rd strips will be an improvement, I doubt I'd even wear that shirt if it was given to me.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Firthy » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:23 am

nyclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:35 am
I wonder what the delay is then? Why are we so last minute with these things?
Because they're stuck with the design of a horrible shirt and they know what the supporters reaction will be.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by burnmark » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:43 am

nyclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:35 am
I wonder what the delay is then? Why are we so last minute with these things?
My only thought could be they are waiting for players to return to training so they can set up a proper photo shoot.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:52 am

If that Panini book is right, and I think it is, its bloody awful.
Umbro are just rubbish compared to Puma.
The quality, the design, the colour. I dont know how long the contract is but I hope they rip it up.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:01 am

I usually add the kits to my collection pretty quickly. I had lots of hope for this year as I though the Away and Third were very good.

That home shirt is awful.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by MACCA » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:12 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:52 am
If that Panini book is right, and I think it is, its bloody awful.
Umbro are just rubbish compared to Puma.
The quality, the design, the colour. I dont know how long the contract is but I hope they rip it up.
Nothing to do with umbro, west ham and everton have had some great kits.
They will make any kit the club wants, the problem is the club rightly or wrongly will choose from the cheapest option of template kits.

But whilst people keep buying them then there's no real issue.

I've seen kits in the national leagues better designed and thought out than ours.

But that's the reason it's been about 14 years since purchased one to wear.


Saw this and purchased this instead.
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by burnmark » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:19 am

It looks like I’m in the minority here but I like the shirt. Clean cut and traditional and the apparent nod to the 1920 kit with the collar line.
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by bfccrazy » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:19 am

MACCA wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:12 am
Nothing to do with umbro, west ham and everton have had some great kits.
They will make any kit the club wants, the problem is the club rightly or wrongly will choose from the cheapest option of template kits.

But whilst people keep buying them then there's no real issue.

I've seen kits in the national leagues better designed and thought out than ours.

But that's the reason it's been about 14 years since purchased one to wear.


Saw this and purchased this instead.
Good job too as that template is hard to come by online now in decent sizes haha

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:23 am

burnmark wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:19 am
It looks like I’m in the minority here but I like the shirt. Clean cut and traditional and the apparent nod to the 1920 kit with the collar line.
I hate this nod to an old kit. We used that a couple of years ago claiming when the home shirt was released and it was a nonsense. If you are going to recognise an achievement of the past then do a replica, not a nod, like we did in 2009/10, still the best selling shirts, home and away, we've ever had. For what it's worth, I think this looks awful and as for those sleeves.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by burnmark » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:33 am

The sleeves argument is an interesting one and I presume it’s in regards to the blue not covering the whole arm from the shoulder seam.

Compare the new kit to this one from the past. It’s something we’ve done before
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Boss Hogg » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:36 am

Awful Shirt. Count my household out of buying one. Fans on here can design better ones.

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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:39 am

burnmark wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:33 am
The sleeves argument is an interesting one and I presume it’s in regards to the blue not covering the whole arm from the shoulder seam.

Compare the new kit to this one from the past. It’s something we’ve done before
And at least it has blue sleeves unlike previous ones
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Re: New Kits 20/21

Post by Murger » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:41 am

The best kit we had was the 1 without a sponsor.

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