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Starting XI vs City

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:53 pm

My best guess, and it is only a guess, is we'll line-up like this.

Pope
Bards Mee Tarks Taylor
Hendrick Cork Westwood McNeil
Jay Rod Vydra

Sean generally doesn't change what's working, now obviously injuries (Wood being a natural one) could impact on this selection, but both Jay Rod and Vydra have by and large impressed when they've been paired together, and so i'd give them the nod.

Whether the ooc players will want to start, or whether they'll even be considered is a whole new conundrum, but if Bards and Jeff don't want to play, or Sean feels it's right to leave them out,then Lowts, and i guess Brownhill are the natural replacements.

Bench who knows i'll guess at the following fitness permitting. I think i'm correct we can name 9 potential subs.

BPF
Brady
Hart
JBG
Koiki
Lennon
Long
Lowts
Pieters

I've left Barnes out completely as the rumours indicate he might not play again this season, if he does then great, but i'd be surprised to see him on the grass this side of summer., If he and Woody are out it does leave us short up top though, and i think it's safe to wager Gibson won't be seen in a BFC shirt again. At least we know Kev Long can be relied upon if required, a true stalwart and model pro that lad, we're lucky to have him in our squad.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:06 pm

I'm not expecting JBG to be fit.

We can't use the lads on the bench who have been out on loan so that rules out Benson, Glennon, Phillips, Cooney, Cropper, N'Guessan and Harker. I'm sure Koiki and Goodridge will be among the subs if needed and then possibly Thomas.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:20 pm

Probably not the City game but a few of the easier ones I'd give that keeper we got from Leeds a run out....if anything happens to Pope hes going to be needed probably better giving him his debut in a dead season than having to play him next season when there is more at stake in the Leeds documentary when then spent millions to replace him he really was bobbins,hope he comes good we have been spoiled recently by having 3 England internationals

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Malvern claret » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:04 pm

What is the situation with Jimmy Dunne, I would have thought he would have been one of the subs. What have I missed?

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:07 pm

Malvern claret wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:04 pm
What is the situation with Jimmy Dunne, I would have thought he would have been one of the subs. What have I missed?
Add Jimmy Dunne to the list - he's not been out on loan in the second half of the season

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by MACCA » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:12 pm

Be nice to see Richardson on the bench with our limited forward options.
Even if he doesnt get a minute, the experience alone will be good for him.

He's been injured recently, but he was on the bench v Sinderland so must have something the manager has noticed.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:13 pm

Personally, I 'd hope Brownhill made the bench, as I'm sure would he!

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:19 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:13 pm
Personally, I 'd hope Brownhill made the bench, as I'm sure would he!
Unless Jeff signs a new deal, which is looking more unlikely as the days pass, then surely Brownhill has to be given some minutes before the end of the season. TBF i'm not sure City away would be an ideal 1st game for him, but there's definitely scope for him getting the nod in some of our more winnable matches, and if he got a 3-4 game run before the climax, and even better assisted or played his part in a victory or two, then he'll feel he's finally a part of BFC, and that would only be good for us in the long run.
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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by paulatky » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:24 pm

Cant see either Wood or Barnes featuring again this season so more game time for Vydra.

What position does the 18 year old from Everton play, the one who played against PNE

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:26 pm

MACCA wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:12 pm
Be nice to see Richardson on the bench with our limited forward options.
Even if he doesnt get a minute, the experience alone will be good for him.

He's been injured recently, but he was on the bench v Sinderland so must have something the manager has noticed.
He's been injured beyond recently - not played for a good few months now

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:26 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:24 pm
What position does the 18 year old from Everton play, the one who played against PNE
Max Thompson - he's a striker

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:38 pm

Are we assuming Joe Hart is going at the end of June? I don't see any real point in extending his contract for a few weeks tbh. If so we may as well have BPF as our number 2 for the rest of the season.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by claretspice » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:40 pm

Might be harsh, but i'd be tempted to go with an extra midfielder - bringing either Brownhill or Lennon to play wide and get up and down the flank, and give McNeil a chance to play off Rodriguez.

I quite like Rodriguez and Vydra together, but playing City with no crowd to feed off after 3 months standing still is going to require a lot of defensive discipline.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Dodobdobodobo » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:44 pm

Pope
Bardsley
Taylor
Mee
Tarkowski
Westwood
Cork
Henrick
McNeill
Rodriguez
Vydra

Subs:-
Hart
Brady
Long
Dunne
Lennon
Lowton
Pieters
Koiki
Goodridge

Not much to offer in the forward department if Barnes & Wood out

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:31 pm

I am going to go:

Pope
Bardsley
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Lennon
Hendrick
Cork
Westwood
McNeill
JRod

Start 4-5-1, go 4-4-2 later if we’ve kept it tight. Would arguably prefer Vydra up front given current form but think JRod offers more as a lone striker to hold the ball up.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Not a clue. This is a whole new ball game.
SD will know how they've come back. Who is raring to go, who is just off the pace. Whether to give run outs to anybody, looking to next season.
My big wish is that we give Europe a good go. Twice in 3 seasons would be amazing and could only raise the club profile internationally. If we do drop out of the running then make changes.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:42 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:31 pm
I am going to go:

Pope
Bardsley
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Lennon
Hendrick
Cork
Westwood
McNeill
JRod

Start 4-5-1, go 4-4-2 later if we’ve kept it tight. Would arguably prefer Vydra up front given current form but think JRod offers more as a lone striker to hold the ball up.
I think it will be this too. Vydra will be disappointed but, given the circumstances and opposition, he should come in against Watford.

Hopefully get Josh Brownhill some minutes too.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:44 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:40 pm
Not a clue. This is a whole new ball game.
SD will know how they've come back. Who is raring to go, who is just off the pace. Whether to give run outs to anybody, looking to next season.
My big wish is that we give Europe a good go. Twice in 3 seasons would be amazing and could only raise the club profile internationally. If we do drop out of the running then make changes.
Agree. Steve describes this as a dead season above, I still think it could be a great season for us if we hit the ground running and regain form. Must give Europe a shot.

Think the first 3 games are key, hence why I’d go 5 in midfield against City to avoid being overrun like we were against Spurs early doors.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm

Just looked at the tv guide and City v Clarets on Pick TV channel 11 freeview next Monday 7.30pm...

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:18 pm

Pope
Lowton, Tarks, Mee, Taylor
Hendrick, Westwood, Cork, McNeil
Vydra, Rodriguez

Bench:
Hart
Bardsley
Lennon
Brownhill
Brady
Long
Pieters
Goodridge
Koiki


The one thing the above does highlight is how thin on the ground we are going to be next season if we do not strengthen. 4 players out of contract end of the month.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:41 pm

Why are we expecting wood to be out for the season? Have I missed something?

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:01 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:41 pm
Why are we expecting wood to be out for the season? Have I missed something?
He has an achilles injury - Dyche said he wasn't sure on him.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:03 pm

For me anyone not interested in signing can go...
I don't know wether Bardsley will be staying, or Lennon

Pope,
Lowton, Tarkowski, Mee, Taylor,
JBG, Brownhill, Westwood, Cork, McNeil
Rodriguez

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by bfcmik » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:11 pm

Do we get to name extra players for our PL squad? I don't think BPF is named in the 25, but maybe, because he is so young he can be added anytime, sort of like McNiell was last season

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:22 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:11 pm
Do we get to name extra players for our PL squad? I don't think BPF is named in the 25, but maybe, because he is so young he can be added anytime, sort of like McNiell was last season
I could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure BPF is named in our 25, and if he isn't he's over 21, so can't be added, as far as i recall you can play an unlimited amount of players under 21, so if we wanted we could have youngsters on the bench as i understand it, and they wouldn't have to be named in the squad.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Dodobdobodobo » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:47 am

Just same as me then 😂
Pope
Lowton, Tarks, Mee, Taylor
Hendrick, Westwood, Cork, McNeil
Vydra, Rodriguez

Bench:
Hart
Bardsley
Lennon
Brownhill
Brady
Long
Pieters
Goodridge
Koiki


The one thing the above does highlight is how thin on the ground we are going to be next season if we do not strengthen. 4 players out of contract end of the month.
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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by NewClaret » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:56 am

Has Koiki been offered a new contract? Is he any good?

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by claretburns » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:51 pm

Confirmed Andre Marriner is the ref, Andy Madley 4th official, Kevin Friend on VAR.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by KellyClaret » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:07 pm
Add Jimmy Dunne to the list - he's not been out on loan in the second half of the season
Jimmy's loan was cancelled during the winter transfer window so I would presume that he is in fact available.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:49 pm

KellyClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:53 pm
Jimmy's loan was cancelled during the winter transfer window so I would presume that he is in fact available.
He is - not been out on loan since the last window

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by superdimitri » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:17 am

You can name as many under 21 players as you want. If you have 10 under 21 players and 25 over 21 players your normal 25 total becomes 35. A player can be given a senior team number yet they don't have to ever be registered to play ahead of time.

In effect, even having 8 home grown players over 21 is useful for teams otherwise you can only register 17 foreigners. This obviously isn't an issue for us though!

European registration is a little different. They require 4 of those 8 to be trained at the club before their 18th birthday which is why the big clubs used find it important to have to their own youngsters playing.
In the past clubs would hold on to their own talent but it's becoming increasingly common for them to be able to recruit players under 21 that are exempt from registration like Jesus at Manchester City so it makes little difference like it used too.

If we were to make Europe again that would mean our max registration size would be 22 with only one home grown at club player over 21 in Rodriguez.

Obviously you can see the ambition we showed in the transfer market to free up a European squad spot! Maybe the next player to sign will be Pugh.

Funnily enough we only have 1 foreigner in Gudmundson. So we're some way off having to worry about domestic player registration.

A team like Watford has to worry a lot more about registration than we do. Probably part of the reason they recruited the likes of Foster and Hughes.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by DycheAlmighty » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:40 am

Personally I've seen us get torn to pieces too many times at City whilst playing 442. I think it's worth taking the risk setting up as we did against Chelsea in the latter stages of the home defeat.

Pope
Bardsley Tarkowski Mee Taylor
Westwood Cork
JBG Rodriguez McNeil
Vydra

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:50 am

superdimitri wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:17 am
Funnily enough we only have 1 foreigner in Gudmundson. So we're some way off having to worry about domestic player registration.
Why is JBG classed as our only foreigner? What about;

Long
Pieters
Dunne
Brady
Hendrick
Wood
Vydra

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:02 pm

DycheAlmighty wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:40 am
Personally I've seen us get torn to pieces too many times at City whilst playing 442. I think it's worth taking the risk setting up as we did against Chelsea in the latter stages of the home defeat.

Pope
Bardsley Tarkowski Mee Taylor
Westwood Cork
JBG Rodriguez McNeil
Vydra
JBG isn't fit and as much as i love Jay Rod, McNeil and Vydra as an attacking trio, they're not exactly noted for their defensive application and tracking runners, with that formation and line up we'd be placing a heck of a lot of onus on the Cork/Westwood axis to sniff out their attacking threats, and they do have one or two useful ones to pick from.

The reality is if we're going to get a result at the Etihad, we need too play to our maximum, carry an element of fortune, and hope City are slightly off the pace, now all three of those things are possible, but extremely unlikely, and if we come away having suffered defeat i'll be phlegmatic about it, as long as we put a shift in, we have several games that we're well capable of picking up points in, between now and the end of the season, but realistically City & Liverpool are free hits, and anything we collect from either or both would be a huge bonus.

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by IanMcL » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:47 pm

I'd start with Nick, Joe and Bailey in goal and go from there!

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Ric_C » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:51 pm

In some ways this is the perfect game for us. City might not be 100% after their game tonight maybe, who knows.

I'd defo use all 5 subs at some point with an eye on the much more winnable game against Watford. Especially with them having 2 extra days to recover.

However all these games in such a short space historically is not good for us, due to our small pool of players we use. Remember we usually don't do very well over xmas either. I'm just glad we have enough points already :)

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by DycheAlmighty » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:21 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:02 pm
JBG isn't fit and as much as i love Jay Rod, McNeil and Vydra as an attacking trio, they're not exactly noted for their defensive application and tracking runners, with that formation and line up we'd be placing a heck of a lot of onus on the Cork/Westwood axis to sniff out their attacking threats, and they do have one or two useful ones to pick from.

The reality is if we're going to get a result at the Etihad, we need too play to our maximum, carry an element of fortune, and hope City are slightly off the pace, now all three of those things are possible, but extremely unlikely, and if we come away having suffered defeat i'll be phlegmatic about it, as long as we put a shift in, we have several games that we're well capable of picking up points in, between now and the end of the season, but realistically City & Liverpool are free hits, and anything we collect from either or both would be a huge bonus.
That's why these games are always dissapointing when you travel to Etihad. They are a free hit, a 'day out' for fans, but after paying to see us beaten 5-0 / 5-0 / 4-1 you want to see us try something different. 442 leaves us short in midfield and at least in the 4231 shape against Chelsea we had the correct shape to deal with a team who's very comfortable with retaining the ball.
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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:18 pm

City v Arsenal

XI | Ederson, Walker, E Garcia, Laporte, Mendy, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Silva (C), Mahrez, Jesus, Sterling
SUBS | Carson, Aguero, Zinchenko, Rodrigo, Sane, Bernardo, Fernandinho, Otamendi, Foden

I was hoping to see Aguero get run into the ground tonight and us to get Foden or Jesus

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Burnley87 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:20 pm

Pope
Lowton Tark Mee Taylor
Cork
Westwood Brownhill

J Rod McNeil

Vydra

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by superdimitri » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:36 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:50 am
Why is JBG classed as our only foreigner? What about;

Long
Pieters
Dunne
Brady
Hendrick
Wood
Vydra
To be honest I only thought of JBG because I assumed he was the only one who wasn't a product of an English/Welsh club. I should have included both Vydra, Long and Pieters too.

The others should be home grown since they were trained at English teams under the age of 18. You can be a foreign and considered homegrown if this is the case.
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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:06 am

play a full strength team and treat it as a fitness exercise and nothing more

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Re: Starting XI vs City

Post by jojomk1 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:15 am

Burnley87 wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:20 pm
Pope
Lowton Tark Mee Taylor
Cork
Westwood Brownhill

J Rod McNeil

Vydra
If no Wood this would also be my choice
Five across the middle with Jay wide right
If Hendrick won't commit to the club then he should not start another game this season

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