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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by martin_p » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:47 pm

fanzone wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:41 pm
Not read all the comments but it's absolutely ridiculous. When were political statements aloud in football.
Presumably you’ve missed the ‘Kick it Out’ and LBGTQ matches?

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by dsr » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:49 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:28 pm
Genuine question: why are they? I assume in solidarity with George Floyd because of how the policeman kneeled on him?

I’ve never seen the gesture used before George Floyds death but I may be wrong.
The first I saw of taking the knee was Colin Kaepernick in the USA, and the reason behind that gesture was to do it during the US National Anthem to show that the United States wasn't worthy of the respect that so many of its people give it. It was making a grand gesture to say that the US as a whole needs reform.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:26 pm
Maybe they feel that the best way to implement change is at the top, ie. the government who run the country and pass the laws.
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Leisure » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:53 pm

martin_p wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:18 pm
Yes. This should be BFC making a statement as an organisation, not individuals.
So the players should have no say in this but just do it because their employer says that they have to! Doesn't really mean at lot then if it's forced on them.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:54 pm

Accrington claret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:09 pm
Like many others i'm totally against players having BLM on the shirts and kneeling for a career criminal who died four thousand miles away,

If I was to wear a shirt with 'white lives matter' I would be called a racist.. To me and many others BLM are a racist group with Antifa being supporters of them..
I have spoken to many Burnley fans who would boycott games if players continue to kneel and wear the BLM on shirts when we're allowed back in the stands

No, you wouldn't and no, you haven't............

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:57 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:48 am
Politics? This isn't politics, this is decent human beings highlighting something that is so horrible and wrong in this world.
In America this is 100% political. Can’t speak for the UK though

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by martin_p » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:57 pm

Leisure wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:53 pm
So the players should have no say in this but just do it because their employer says that they have to! Doesn't really mean at lot then if it's forced on them.
I wouldn’t imagine any of them would have a problem, they all happily wear the ‘kick it out’ t-shirts.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by MACCA » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:58 pm

Leisure wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:53 pm
So the players should have no say in this but just do it because their employer says that they have to! Doesn't really mean at lot then if it's forced on them.

It does, it means you're not a racist.

Simply complying means you're not racist, but a difference in opinion, questioning the organisation or taking a difference stance all together means you are a racist, a bigot and a numpty. ( I think that's all the terms used so far )

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:59 pm

No problem with taking the knee but I would prefer the shirts to read “ ALL LIVES MATTER”.
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:00 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:21 pm
Well that’s a complete lie as you continually air your personal and political views on here. If you had a genuine reason then I’m sure people would respect it.
Sorry, you asked for anybody’s opinion and I was giving a hypothetical response that a player being forced to make this choice might have.

Personally I would be more worried about my ability to get back up and would rather give the Tommie Smith salute.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:01 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:35 pm
I do think there’s an element of attention seeking going on with the comments you’ve made on this thread but I’ll bite...

What possible reason could you have for not wanting to take the knee? Given what that action has come to symbolise, to make a conscious choice not to take the knee when others around you are doing so... Well I’m afraid there’s only one conclusion that can be drawn from that.
It doesn't mean it's the right conclusion.
Some people may feel they don't have a need to 'prove' they aren't racist, or prove that they believe BLM. It defines nothing, you can take a donkey to Ascot, it doesn't make him a racehorse.

I'm not against it, it has to be up to the individual, so if you and others feel the need, fine, but you shouldn't put your prejudices onto others, because there is more than one way to look at this.

Just as a percentage of people are Gay, a percentage of people are racist. Just as there are bound to be Gay footballers living in the closet, there are bound to be racist footballers. You can guarantee they'll take the knee. So what will it have achieved, apart from some self glorification of an angst guilt ridden conscience.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by martin_p » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:01 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:59 pm
No problem with taking the knee but I would prefer the shirts to read “ ALL LIVES MATTER”.
But that’s entirely missing the point.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by quoonbeatz » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:02 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:57 pm
In America this is 100% political. Can’t speak for the UK though
Agreed. In America, racism is 100% political.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:03 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:36 pm
Taking the knee started in 2016 to protest police brutality and racism in the USA. Usually done during the national anthem instead of standing.
After Kap was benched*

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by MACCA » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:04 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:57 pm
In America this is 100% political. Can’t speak for the UK though
Ssshhh

The same UK that protest about Trump, dont want him to visit, and put up insulting blimps of him...

It's as much political as it is about racism which is a shame.
Just look at what the mainstream media choose to show you, how the describe certain incidents and how they fail to report certain things.

They continue to use colour when describing things, yet only when white, on black and Visa versa.
You'll not hear much report on white on white or black on black violence and crime.

I just wish Black lives mattered enough when daily deaths to knife crime in our capital was happening...
Because all lives matter at all times in all places

Not all police are racist just as not all muslims are terrorists!

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:08 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:58 pm
Would be an interesting Venn diagram..... those who think James McLean is a disgrace for not wearing a poppy shirt and those who think it’s a disgrace that players don’t have a choice whether to take a knee or not......
Was just thinking the same.

Although if we're being totally honest, it'd also be interesting to see a Venn diagram of those who think the enforced Poppy fetish is a joke and those who think a blanket, social-media friendly 'taking the knee' gesture is a wonderful thing.

Of course, where this 'whataboutery' falls down, is that James McClean's stance makes sense if you know his background. Whereas I don't think the BLM campaign has gunned down many innocent civilians in Burnley recently.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:08 pm

martin_p wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:01 pm
But that’s entirely missing the point.
No it’s not - it’s avoiding the bandwagon and broadening the subject.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:09 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:50 pm
That's a very interesting conclusion you come to.

I saw Pep sit down last night whilst all his players took to the knee.
Now you point it out there's only one conclusion that can be drawn from that.

Let's keep fighting the fight, but I do hope some open their eyes as to what is going on, and how certain organisations or media outlets are managing to keep them 1 track minded, and fearful of asking questions.
Not everyone in the country took a knee at 18:00 and 20:15 yesterday. Obviously the players coordinated this at kick off to have maximum impact given where the camera was pointed. If you were asked by your team mates to take part and you said no, what would be your reasoning?

When you say players are being put in a very difficult position I couldn’t disagree more. The only ones being put in a difficult position are potentially racists and that can only be a good thing if they’re exposed.

Thankfully I don’t think a lot of the people arguing against the action of taking the knee are racists. It’s simply a case of “don’t you tell me what to do, I’ll do what I want”. Childish and embarrassing but at least it exposes some people for what they are.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:09 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:04 pm
Ssshhh

The same UK that protest about Trump, dont want him to visit, and put up insulting blimps of him...

Whilst rolling out the red carpet for the Saudi Royal family.

Shameful

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by martin_p » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:10 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:08 pm
No it’s not - it’s avoiding the bandwagon and broadening the subject.
But why do you need to broaden the subject, this is about a specific issue.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by martin_p » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:11 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:09 pm
Whilst rolling out the red carpet for the Saudi Royal family.

Shameful
I think the same people who don’t want Trump to visit will be quite happy to see the Saudi royal family stay away as well.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:13 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:53 am
The politics comes in if you have the view that the "Black Lives Matter" campaign is the wrong way to go about it. The Martin Luther King dream of being judged not by the colour of his skin, doesn't appear to be getting any nearer. Depressingly.
I guess it's partly down to how you interpret "Black lives matter". As I see it, some, particularly those wanting to discredit it, seem to view it as solely a US thing and just linked to police brutality and deaths. Others see it as a UK thing where there is less of the focus on police brutality but more on institutional and, recently, how some of the more controversial figures from the UK's past are celebrated. Or others view it as an issue re: racism but without any specific idea of the "political" element.

Personally, in terms of "taking a knee" at the football I view it as somewhat between the second and third positions. If it gets people who haven't previously engaged talking about it, as Macca said with him, then it is serving some purpose. It's not just the UK either, it's being shown in a lot of countries.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by bfcmik » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:14 pm

Rowls wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:15 am
Silly to get involved in American domestic politics like this. Football had previously had a good record of keeping politics out of its arena.

I hope at least one player has the courage to not participate but it would be a brave soul to do that and I doubt anyone has the stomach for it.
This isn't about getting involved in American domestic politics. The killing of George Floyd may have reignited the Black Lives Matter campaign but racism is a curse not restricted to a few 'rogue' American Police officers. Racism is a curse in every country on the planet. As Ben Mee explains this morning in his Clarets Player interviews the players have decided to take the kneel off their own bat to show their support for the fact that racism does not belong in football in any form.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:16 pm

martin_p wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:11 pm
I think the same people who don’t want Trump to visit will be quite happy to see the Saudi royal family stay away as well.
Hmmm I seem to recall a certain mayor of London that was vehemently opposed to a Trump state visit yet had no issues with the Saudis...

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by MACCA » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:17 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:09 pm
Not everyone in the country took a knee at 18:00 and 20:15 yesterday. Obviously the players coordinated this at kick off to have maximum impact given where the camera was pointed. If you were asked by your team mates to take part and you said no, what would be your reasoning?

When you say players are being put in a very difficult position I couldn’t disagree more. The only ones being put in a difficult position are potentially racists and that can only be a good thing if they’re exposed.

Thankfully I don’t think a lot of the people arguing against the action of taking the knee are racists. It’s simply a case of “don’t you tell me what to do, I’ll do what I want”. Childish and embarrassing but at least it exposes some people for what they are.
Absolutely, and its probably a good idea for CT to have a sticky on the board with a list of all those people, so we can instantly and easily access it, so we can avoid all discussions with them.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:20 pm

Leisure wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:02 pm
Rubbish! It should be personal choice and I'm not sure that every footballer has that option without being tarred by some people as being a racist!
That’s fair enough about personal choice but don’t be upset if someone else perceives those actions as racist. That is also their personal choice. You can’t have it both ways.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:21 pm

martin_p wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:10 pm
But why do you need to broaden the subject, this is about a specific issue.
The police murder was disgusting and the reaction to it was correct and life-changing. However the subsequent media feeding frenzy is causing a whole lot of trouble and anarchism.
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:27 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:00 pm
Sorry, you asked for anybody’s opinion and I was giving a hypothetical response that a player being forced to make this choice might have.

Personally I would be more worried about my ability to get back up and would rather give the Tommie Smith salute.
Fair enough, and if a football player said that they didn't want to take the knee because they don't want to air their personal views in public I would respect that view. I would however question the motive though. Because for me it's hard to understand how someone could feel so strongly about not making such a small gesture unless of course they are opposed to the fight against racism, which I would struggle to accept.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by JTClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:28 pm

It works for me... peaceful statement at its finest.
They are all doing it together, as one, which for me is more powerful than a slogan I don't think has worked on the back of the shirt.

By hasn't worked, I mean it's been picked apart by too many (rightly or wrongly) creating divides and issues itself, which was the problem in the first place.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by TVC15 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:43 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:35 pm
Be an interesting Venn diagram though between those getting all angry about this and those who get right angry every single November.
Indeed !
Especially if you factor in that very same Venn diagram those who pretend they don’t understand what BLM means and say it should be “All lives matter”.
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by TVC15 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:50 pm

It doesn’t take long on these type of threads for the true deep seated views of some people to start bubbling to the surface.
Quite a long way removed from “I was only asking the question” within the space of a 2 or 3 hours.

And that’s before you know who comes along and deliberately ruins the thread to get it shut down.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by NewClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:18 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:49 pm
The first I saw of taking the knee was Colin Kaepernick in the USA, and the reason behind that gesture was to do it during the US National Anthem to show that the United States wasn't worthy of the respect that so many of its people give it. It was making a grand gesture to say that the US as a whole needs reform.
Okay, thanks dsr.

Seems a very American statement though?

Overall, I don’t have any strong views, other than to say sport and politics should remain separate. If players want to do it, their choice, although I think continuation of broader anti-racism and LGBTQ messaging adopted by the PL to date would be preferable to specific BLM campaigns since they’re broader and more inclusive.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Rowls » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:21 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:09 pm
I'm disappointed you see the whole BLM thing as simply an American issue Rowls. I honestly thought you had a bit more upstairs.

I'd always expect numpties like MACCA to follow the closet racist agenda, but I'd have hoped others from the near-right might see the bigger picture.

It's debatable whether football has kept politics out of its arena in the past.. I'd argue not. But it's certainly avoided anything radical until now.. or anything that might be remotely seen as a catalyst for real change.....until now..and I suspect that's the issue for many.
This is exactly the problem with BLM movement - it is inherently oppositional rather than conciliatory. It actively encourages its adherents to equate people who oppose the methods, the tone and necessity of importing the BLM movement to UK with people who actually hold racist views. I find that very, very sinister.

It's not really "debatable" that politics has been kept out of football - the authorities have forbidden political gestures for decades now.
bfcmik wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:14 pm
This isn't about getting involved in American domestic politics. The killing of George Floyd may have reignited the Black Lives Matter campaign but racism is a curse not restricted to a few 'rogue' American Police officers. Racism is a curse in every country on the planet. As Ben Mee explains this morning in his Clarets Player interviews the players have decided to take the kneel off their own bat to show their support for the fact that racism does not belong in football in any form.
So why not simply wear the "Say No to Racism" shirts? Why is this campaign now insufficient?

Has it transpired that the people who spent their lives running the "Say No To Racism" campaign actually didn't think that black people's lives matter?

The BLM movement is a very specific American pressure group with an aggressive and intransigent approach to race relations.

There is a subtle but very distinct difference between "Say No To Racism" and "Black Lives Matter" and it is also a difference I find disingenous and sinister.

And that's without getting into the tyranny and injustice of pressuring people to "prove" they are not racists and assuming their guilt if they do not assume a suppine stance during a drinks break in a football match.

Do you want to know what I'd do if I were a racist football player? I'd be "taking a knee" quicker and more dramatically than anybody else.
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:23 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:28 pm
Intetesting to note that Kap only started kneeling after he was benched. Didn't seem to be bothered when he was starting in a niche system and getting Ws.

Kap is an idiot as well - just when he started receiving media coverage for it what does he do? Turn up to a press conference with a Castro/Gueverrra T shirt - you think the average American is gonna get on board with that?

Oh and then started wearing socks depicting cops as pigs on during warmups. More divisive foolishness.
So far as I've read he first protested in a pre-season game. Does that count as being benched?

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Squarepusher » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:23 pm

Happy to see the club and the players supporting this. :)
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:26 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:35 pm
Be an interesting Venn diagram though between those getting all angry about this and those who get right angry every single November.
I'd be interested to add in those that insist players should be a role model.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:30 pm

And to to think the whole taking the knee is down to bloody Game of Thrones.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:31 pm

aggi wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:23 pm
So far as I've read he first protested in a pre-season game. Does that count as being benched?
When he lost the stating job, yes.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:32 pm

martin_p wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:47 pm
Presumably you’ve missed the ‘Kick it Out’ and LBGTQ matches?
Kick it out isn't political.

BLM is - have you read any of their MOs?
Rowls wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:21 pm
It actively encourages its adherents to equate people who oppose the methods, the tone and necessity of importing the BLM movement to UK with people who actually hold racist views. I find that very, very sinister.
Spot on Rowls
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by grapidianclaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:39 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:03 pm
But things have been changing, bit by bit, year by year. Britain 2020 is a long, long way from Britain 1973, or Britain 1958. All I can see coming from the protests is people taking the opportunity to ignore how far we've come.
There is a lot of generational difference in racism, and as the older generation die off, so slowly will racism. Impatience doesn’t help, it only serves to enforce the stereotypes we are trying to rid ourselves of. It increases suspicion, it makes people start looking for racism, even when it isnt there. That's a barrier we can do without.
Agree with a lot of that, I just discussed the generational point myself with someone. However, racism is also passed down in families, and hammering home the point is very necessary ,so that kids can hopefully see racist bile for what it is, especially when it comes out of uncle Bobs mouth, and Aunt Judy's, but especially out of dads mouth.If the fight against racism quietens down enough, family indoctrination will continue and ensure that it is once again, OK to pass racism on to the next generation. IMO that is why the people we look upto and want to emulate,outside of our families, take the fight on publicly.
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by grapidianclaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:40 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:44 pm
Will be interesting to see what BLM do with the mega millions of donations they have/are receiving. Obviously none of the organizers will take a single cent will ? And some people think this is not a business !!
Very strange of you to bring up that point.
I am sure you were very vocal when it turned out the Trump family was embezzling millions from Trump "charities".

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:45 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:31 pm
When he lost the stating job, yes.
Just looking a bit further, the first match where he kneeled during the anthem he was starting so that doesn't seem to tie up. He also started 11 of 16 games that season so it doesn't sound like he'd been benched.

It sounds like you're just repeating some duff information that someone has made up to try and discredit the protest.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by grapidianclaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:50 pm

I wonder if 5 members of Scotus took a knee this morning. A really bad week for donnie and a tough decision for American racists to endure. The fight is not over yet regarding DACA.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Rowls » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:51 pm

Who are Scotus?

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:00 pm

Rowls wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:51 pm
Who are Scotus?
Supreme Court

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:02 pm

Happy to see the club do this.

Happy to see those drawn out of their holes claiming the ongoing quest for racial equality is 'political'.
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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Rowls » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:02 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:00 pm
Supreme Court
Presumably the Supreme Court Of The United States.

And some people don't want to see this as an American domestic issue.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by martin_p » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:06 pm

Rowls wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:02 pm
Presumably the Supreme Court Of The United States.

And some people don't want to see this as an American domestic issue.
Do you genuinely see racism as just an American domestic issue?

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by Rowls » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:08 pm

martin_p wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:06 pm
Do you genuinely see racism as just an American domestic issue?
No.

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Re: Burnley plan to take the knee

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:13 pm

aggi wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:45 pm
Just looking a bit further, the first match where he kneeled during the anthem he was starting so that doesn't seem to tie up. He also started 11 of 16 games that season so it doesn't sound like he'd been benched.

It sounds like you're just repeating some duff information that someone has made up to try and discredit the protest.
False.

I watch the NFL for a start and remember pretty well - plus I've just checked.

Kap was in the limelight in 2013 & 14, pretty niche playstyle that caught a lot of teams off guard and they ended up on a superbowl run, but didn't quite get over the line (no protest/kneeling).

His form started to deteriorate & the 49ers signed Blaine Gabbert in the off season to fight Kap for the starting job.

Kap started the 2015 season horrendously with one good game against the team they fell to in the superbowl (Ravens).

Eventually Kap was benched for Blaine Gabbert who played mediocre then Kap picked up a knock giving the job to Gabbert.

Coming into the next season the starting job was up for grabs but Blaine beat him out. The kneeling then started in preseason - Gabbert was ultimately mediocre then Kap got the job back after 4 games before performing average again then got cut.

All I'm saying is this isn't something that just comes to you at once, why didn't he kneel during the superbowl?.... Was the difference between 2014-2016 in America for police brutality against blacks markedly worse? Statistics don't support that sentiment...

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