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Arsenal..

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:04 pm

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Absolute horrendous culture at that club.

I'd be embarrassed if I was one of their fans, disgraceful
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Re: Arsenal..

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:05 pm

Brighton look like they'll unfortunately have enough to stay up after that.
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Re: Arsenal..

Post by MACCA » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:06 pm

I want to beat them so bad, in the premier league its played 12 won 0 agsinst them isn't it?

Horrible mentality at that club, from fans to players.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:07 pm

Don't mind Arse getting beat, but not by Brighton.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:08 pm

It was a tough on to know who I wanted to win this but the reaction the Arsenal players had towards Maupay after the Leno incident, I’m kinda glad that he got the winner

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:09 pm

If ever there was a club that has lost its way it's Arsenal
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Re: Arsenal..

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:10 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:08 pm
It was a tough on to know who I wanted to win this but the reaction the Arsenal players had towards Maupay after the Leno incident, I’m kinda glad that he got the winner
Agree!

Had every right to go for that ball imo - Leno could've easily spilt it, potentially resulting in a chance for Brighton

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:15 pm

Agree with all the Arsenal stuff and good to see them lose.

All that said Neil Maupay is nasty little (small bloke syndrome) type with chips on both shoulders

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Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:18 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:15 pm
Agree with all the Arsenal stuff and good to see them lose.

All that said Neil Maupay is nasty little (small bloke syndrome) type with chips on both shoulders
I think he's a good player - would be very good for us.

Presses hard and is direct.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:19 pm

If you judged a team on character rather than skill, we'd be champions league, they'd be relegation fodder

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:20 pm

Not saying he isn’t a good player but I wouldn’t want him anywhere near our place

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Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:22 pm

I used to like Arsenal in the days of Bergkamp, Petit, Viera etc., good to watch. Now I can't stand the club.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:24 pm

We're safe despite what some naysayers think on here, and i can't see Brighton catching us, so all the better that Arsenal got beat.

None of the teams in our grouping have put wins on the board, draw for Man Utd, Draw for Sheff Utd, Draw for Tottenham, defeat for Arsenal, so if we could somehow confound the critics and pick up something at the Etihad, it could prove to be a profitable weekend, Palace & Everton will be eyeing up a European slot as well, and even Southampton can't be written off, they looked impressive at Norwich, and in Danny they've got a striker in red hot form.

In spite of all the doom & gloom of the last few days, it could yet be an exciting climax to the season.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:26 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:24 pm
We're safe despite what some naysayers think on here
If not 100% safe, we are 99.99999% safe.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:09 pm
If ever there was a club that has lost its way it's Arsenal
Totally.

They're a shambles.

Not sure Arteta is the man really... It's all well and good trying to play in the style of Pep when you're backed to the high heavens in the transfer market but for me they're way off...

Sticking Auba out on the left is a disgrace.

Why not go two up top - just try it? Auba & Laca through the middle and play a bit more direct - what's there to lose?

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:39 pm

It's a shame we appear to be limping into the finale. If we were full strength I'd say we had a real chance of a strong finish and pushing for Europe, especially as 8th place might be good enough.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:44 pm

Thought Maupay was pathetic - should have been sent off for his simulation at the end,

Arsenal - shambolic is the word

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by claptrappers_union » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:00 pm

We are safe, but its a shame we’ve not had a few more decent results because that top 6 isn’t great. Maybe the fragmented season might benefit us, but I doubt it.

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Post by dsr » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:09 pm

If Brighton stopping up helps West Ham and Villa to go down, then I'm willing to put up with it. After all, Norwich aren't likely to avoid relegation so there are only two more places.

Arsenal losing? Can only be a good thing. We aren't ever likely to beat them :( , so let's hope everyone else does!

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Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:14 pm

dsr wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:09 pm
If Brighton stopping up helps West Ham and Villa to go down, then I'm willing to put up with it. After all, Norwich aren't likely to avoid relegation so there are only two more places.

Arsenal losing? Can only be a good thing. We aren't ever likely to beat them :( , so let's hope everyone else does!
Draw puts us level with them, but even a loss is not going to leave us far behind, so I’ll take that.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:17 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:35 pm
Not sure Arteta is the man really... Why not go two up top - just try it? Auba & Laca through the middle and play a bit more direct - what's there to lose?
Spot on. 2 top strikers and good widemen but they stick Auba out wide. Very strange.
In all the games and bits I’ve watched not one side is putting it in early, from some excellent positions. Thank goodness we have Dwight.

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:18 pm

dsr wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:09 pm
If Brighton stopping up helps West Ham and Villa to go down, then I'm willing to put up with it. After all, Norwich aren't likely to avoid relegation so there are only two more places.

Arsenal losing? Can only be a good thing. We aren't ever likely to beat them :( , so let's hope everyone else does!
Hear, hear i'm looking up the table not down, and we've got an evens shot of finishing above Arsenal after 38 games.

One for the stats collectors-Timed at 94 minutes and 26 seconds, Neal Maupay's winner was the latest goal Brighton have ever scored in a Premier League match.

As for who goes down i'm not fussed really, but from a Claret viewpoint, i'd prefer Brighton to survive, above Villa, and West Ham, as they're not likely to improve much next season, whereas both Villa and West Ham could.
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Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:31 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:44 pm
Thought Maupay was pathetic - should have been sent off for his simulation at the end,

Arsenal - shambolic is the word
the one where Gendouzi left his arm in his stomach (very soft I agree) or when he grabbed Maupay by the throat after the final whistle which he should pick up a 3 match ban for
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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:30 pm

I honestly think it all started to go wrong at Arsenal when David Dein left

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:35 pm

I felt sorry for Wenger when he had a team sold out from under him to build a stadium but that was no excuse for turning them into the horrible club he did. I liked Unai Emery so was glad he got the boot. Now I can go back to despising them.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:45 pm

That side they had... probably my favourite side. 2 of the best players ever in the premier in Dennis Bergkamp and Thierry Henry

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Post by Aclaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:54 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:07 pm
Don't mind Arse getting beat, but not by Brighton.
See what you did there Electro 😉

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Post by Dyched » Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:40 pm

We’re they ever as good as people make out? Going the season unbeaten was superb and also the double year. They only ever won the PL 3 times in seasons when it was really a 2/3 horse race for the league. Played super football and were a joy at times. But they were awful for much longer under Wenger than were great and they’ve carried on being awful.

To think that Chelsea and City have more title too. People may say they bought it etc, but they only invested in squads to compete against the teams that were top. They also in title races with realistically 4/5 teams.

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Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:05 pm

Dyched wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:40 pm
We’re they ever as good as people make out? Going the season unbeaten was superb and also the double year. They only ever won the PL 3 times in seasons when it was really a 2/3 horse race for the league. Played super football and were a joy at times. But they were awful for much longer under Wenger than were great and they’ve carried on being awful.

To think that Chelsea and City have more title too. People may say they bought it etc, but they only invested in squads to compete against the teams that were top. They also in title races with realistically 4/5 teams.
To be fair - though not the league they won the FA Cup 7 times under Wenger; pretty impressive

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Post by matttheclaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:16 pm

Dyched wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:40 pm
We’re they ever as good as people make out? Going the season unbeaten was superb and also the double year. They only ever won the PL 3 times in seasons when it was really a 2/3 horse race for the league. Played super football and were a joy at times. But they were awful for much longer under Wenger than were great and they’ve carried on being awful.

To think that Chelsea and City have more title too. People may say they bought it etc, but they only invested in squads to compete against the teams that were top. They also in title races with realistically 4/5 teams.
I'd say they were a very good side between 98-04. Since then they have massively regressed. They probably broke up the invincible team a bit quickly and they haven't really had a good defence ever since.

Think moving to the Emirates cost them quite a bit in the transfer market and teams like Chelsea and City overtook them.

Their biggest problem though has been the character overhaul in the last 10/15 years. Gone from a team of leaders (Adams, Keown, Petit, Vieira etc) to a team where there is no obvious captain and a real soft mentality. Always look like they'll crumble the moment things aren't going perfect for them.

I'd say this is their worst ever PL team though.

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Post by agreenwood » Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:16 pm

Still annoyed that we somehow failed to beat them in February.

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:24 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:04 pm
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Absolute horrendous culture at that club.

I'd be embarrassed if I was one of their fans, disgraceful
Absolutely.
Horrible club.

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Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:06 pm

What a joke, typical cop,out from the FA.

Arsenal midfielder Matteo Guendouzi will not face any action from the Football Association over a clash with Brighton forward Neal Maupay.

The Frenchman had to be pulled away from Maupay during a confrontation between both sets of players after Brighton's 2-1 home win on Saturday.

Guendouzi's conduct, though not seen by officials at the stadium, was reviewed by the video assistant referee.

Both clubs have been warned and reminded of their responsibilities.

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Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:08 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:16 pm
Still annoyed that we somehow failed to beat them in February.
You must have had one hell of a **** lockdown!

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:30 pm
I honestly think it all started to go wrong at Arsenal when David Dein left
I called into 5live 606 a couple of years ago (I was on my way back from a 0-0 at Sunderland) I think it was when they were talking about Arsenal and Stuart Pearce was on the show and said the exact same thing to him it astounded me that nobody mentioned it before. He was the king pin of that club who held everything together and allowed Wenger to coach. Too much was placed on Wenger when he left.

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Post by Spijed » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:03 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:58 pm
I called into 5live 606 a couple of years ago (I was on my way back from a 0-0 at Sunderland) I think it was when they were talking about Arsenal and Stuart Pearce was on the show and said the exact same thing to him it astounded me that nobody mentioned it before. He was the king pin of that club who held everything together and allowed Wenger to coach. Too much was placed on Wenger when he left.
Like Fergie at Man u it was always going to be difficult to replace him and expect success.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:06 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:58 pm
I called into 5live 606 a couple of years ago (I was on my way back from a 0-0 at Sunderland) I think it was when they were talking about Arsenal and Stuart Pearce was on the show and said the exact same thing to him it astounded me that nobody mentioned it before. He was the king pin of that club who held everything together and allowed Wenger to coach. Too much was placed on Wenger when he left.
That's when Wenger seemed to lose his way because he was Dein's man, Dein had led him and the two fit together like hand and glove. I'd suggest the loss of David Gill at Manchester United, coupled with Ferguson's departure, had a similar effect.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:10 pm

Spent too much on a new ground and never really recruited well once Wenger was leaving
They couldn't compete with Chelsea's financial muscle and coupled with a collapse of their academy players coming through has led to their demise.
A nasty set of fans who expect to win every game

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Re: Arsenal..

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:11 pm

Agree with both comments there.

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