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Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by RBFC » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:41 am

Daily Mail are reporting that Joe Hart has been told his contract at Burnley won't be extended beyond June 30.

Hart, 33, was informed on Saturday with manager Sean Dyche allowing the player to decide if he wants to be on the bench at his old club Manchester City on Monday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ended.html

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:45 am

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:46 am

Sorry things did not work out for Joe. He did well for us when he played. However, it was a strange signing for both parties. We did not need such a high profile/earner.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by bobinho » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:51 am

It was an absolute no brainer of a signing at the time. Had we not signed him, the manager and board of directors would’ve been hung, drawn and quartered by the majority on here. And not signing him would’ve demonstrated we hadn’t learned from the Marney injury episode.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:56 am

Why him. Goalies are 10 a penny. We did not need such a high profile one and we had not by then learned from Marneygate. CM was still too light then.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by matttheclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:58 am

Was a bit of a strange one. We definitely needed a keeper at the time, but it was a bit of a surprise we brought in a high profile keeper like Hart, given we knew that Heaton wasn't far away (a week or two?) from returning and Pope eventually to come back too.

Don't have any problem with Hart. His performances weren't terrible but obviously the results were awful and it somehow didn't seem quite "right" with him in goal. I don't remember too many clangers, but there was certainly more than a few goals that he probably could have done better with. That's the difference between a decent keeper and a good keeper. He hasn't been a good keeper for a while.

Ultimately, his career has been on the decline for 4/5 years now. I wish him well, I suspect he'll find it tough to get another team at this level though.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by The Enclosure » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:00 am

Wish Joe all the best.He has been a very good keeper for many years and although past his best now he never rocked the boat when he came,even though it must have been very frustrating warming the bench every week.Ok, I know he was paid very well but I am sure he would rather have been playing.
From all accounts he was a popular squad member and worked well with the other goalkeepers.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:03 am

He sort of inadvertently rocked the boat when Dyche inexplicably put him in the pecking order ahead of Heaton. He seems like a decent guy but it just didn’t work.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:05 am

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:56 am
Why him. Goalies are 10 a penny. We did not need such a high profile one and we had not by then learned from Marneygate. CM was still too light then.
Rubbish. Both Nick and Tom were out long term. We needed the best available at the time and it was Joe Hart. We’ll never know if it was him not connecting with the back 4 or Europe that gave us such a poor start to that season.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:05 am

bobinho wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:51 am
It was an absolute no brainer of a signing at the time. Had we not signed him, the manager and board of directors would’ve been hung, drawn and quartered by the majority on here. And not signing him would’ve demonstrated we hadn’t learned from the Marney injury episode.
I disagree, all we needed was someone on a 12 month contract who we could trust to play a few games and then be a backup for Heaton. Signing a big name on massive money just wasn't needed and has proved to be a disaster.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:07 am

Hindsight's wonderful, but at the time we had no idea whether TH would recover as quickly as he did, and Pope's freak injury left us with no option, but to dip into the market, it didn't work out as we'd hoped, but at the time Hart looked a decent temporary stopgap signing, yes his wages were steep, but he came on a nominal fee, Lindegaard did OK at Aberdeen, but would you have trusted him to play week in, week out in the PL.

If Joe's going then time for BPF to be the number 2, he's hardly a fledgling and we did pay a fair fee for him, and hopefully Billy Mercer's been working his magic in training.

Thanks for your contribution Joe,but time to move on to get yourself regular football. At his age he can't afford to be a benchwarmer, he needs to be playing.

Getting Hart & Lennon off the books should free up funds, as i'm guessing they'd be among our highest earners.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:10 am

Did Lindegaard get injured as well? I remember him coming on up at Aberdeen and then playing in the home leg. If he was fit I'd have been fine with him short term. He'd been number 2 at United so it's not like he was some kid who couldn't be trusted.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:12 am

The psychics will be out in force to say it was a poor move because of what they now know since we signed him.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:13 am

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:05 am
Rubbish. Both Nick and Tom were out long term. We needed the best available at the time and it was Joe Hart. We’ll never know if it was him not connecting with the back 4 or Europe that gave us such a poor start to that season.
Rubbish. Tom was fit a week later.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by warksclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:13 am

We did well to get him as we were in the poo with both Pope and Heaton out. It would inevitably lead to problems with all three becoming available at a later stage. He was our man of the match in several games when the other two were not available, and the games were coming up quickly with us being in Europe at the start of that season. The one thing I have noticed about Joe is that people are looking for him to make mistakes and over analytical about the way he reacted in certain goal situations.For a while he was untouchable in this country as the No1 goalie for club and country. He appears to have been a model pro whilst here (take note Ben Gibson). We could not have had a better No2-thanks Joe

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:14 am

Your wrong. Tom had recovered from his shoulder. He had a new minor injury. Check it out. Yes we needed an adequate deputy. We did not need Joe

Plenty of us said it at the time. Check that out as well. Sparse money was wasted on a top keeper, when we needed that money in cm.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by matttheclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:15 am

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:14 am
Your wrong. Tom had recovered from his shoulder. He had a new minor injury. Check it out. Yes we needed an adequate deputy. We did not need Joe.
That's right. Heaton was on the bench for the first game at Southampton. So like you say, he had recovered from the long term shoulder injury
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Post by Zlatan » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:20 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:13 am
Rubbish. Tom was fit a week later.
Agreed, but also untested since his injury. We’d have been daft going into a season with no decent backup
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:21 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:20 am
Agreed, but also untested since his injury. We’d have been daft going into a season with no decent backup
No one is disputing that.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:23 am

matttheclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:15 am
That's right. Heaton was on the bench for the first game at Southampton. So like you say, he had recovered from the long term shoulder injury
He'd already played after that, he'd been on the bench in the previous season having recovered from the shoulder injury. He would have played at Aberdeen but suffered a slight calf strain (I think it was calf) at Preston in a friendly. Because of that, and the need to get Legzdins on the UEFA squad list, Tom had to be removed from it and couldn't be restored for a period of so many days. Otherwise Tom would have played in Turkey when Hart made his debut. Tom then played in both legs against Olympiacos once restored to the UEFA squad.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:23 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:20 am
Agreed, but also untested since his injury. We’d have been daft going into a season with no decent backup
Had Tom not suffered the injury at Preston, we would not have signed Hart.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:23 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:12 am
The psychics will be out in force to say it was a poor move because of what they now know since we signed him.
There was also his form the three seasons before we signed him.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Zlatan » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:25 am

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:21 am
No one is disputing that.
I realise that. At the time Pope was out long term, Tom had recovered from a serious injury and was untested. I understand why we went for Joe - it made sense at the time, he was the best we could get and surpassed most people’s expectations for us, it raised eyebrows.

It just didn’t work out for him. Like the bloke, though
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:26 am

Just to confirm, Tom Heaton was back in the first team squad and on the bench at Watford in the previous April

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Zlatan » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:27 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:23 am
Had Tom not suffered the injury at Preston, we would not have signed Hart.
True, do you think the minor injury to Tom rang alarm bells for the management team that without a decent backup we may go into the season and then Tom wasn’t right?

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Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:28 am

And people criticised Tom for being ****** off about the situation. Who could blame him?

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Post by Zlatan » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:28 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:26 am
Just to confirm, Tom Heaton was back in the first team squad and on the bench at Watford in the previous April
We know, CT you’re not the only Burnley fan who watches the games

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:30 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:07 am
Getting Hart & Lennon off the books should free up funds, as i'm guessing they'd be among our highest earners.
£45k & £35k respectively per week, apparently. That’s £4m off the payroll. Could bring in a big player on that saving (not that I want to - Tripps aside, perhaps).

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:38 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:28 am
We know, CT you’re not the only Burnley fan who watches the games
And there was absolutely no call for that post either. I sometimes wonder why I bother posting any information on here.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:44 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:30 am
£45k & £35k respectively per week, apparently. That’s £4m off the payroll. Could bring in a big player on that saving (not that I want to - Tripps aside, perhaps).
Hart & Lennon have had good careers, but at their respective ages they aren't going to improve either, both are 33 and entering the latter stages of their playing days, it'd be daft to offer them new contracts when Hart's not played for 18 months, and Lennon's a bit-part player at best, we can't afford to be paying millions in wages for squad players, this is why our wage bill is in danger of spiralling out of control.

Now of course we will need to replace Lennon at least in the next window, Hart i'm not so sure about, assuming Pope stays, and BPF is his deputy, do we need 4 keepers on the books, i know we had the freak injuries to Heats/Pope a couple of seasons ago, but 4 seems excessive to me, even in a specialist position.

If Tripps was available at the right fee and wages we'd be daft not to be interested, i have no idea if either of those criteria apply in his case though.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Grumps » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:46 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:12 am
The psychics will be out in force to say it was a poor move because of what they now know since we signed him.
Same ones are on the Covid thread :lol: Joe was a very good signing at the time.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by taio » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:48 am

Grumps wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:46 am
Same ones are on the Covid thread :lol: Joe was a very good signing at the time.
Loads of people on here questioned the signing of Hart at the time without the benefit of hindsight.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:49 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:44 am
Hart & Lennon have had good careers, but at their respective ages they aren't going to improve either, both are 33 and entering the latter stages of their playing days, it'd be daft to offer them new contracts when Hart's not played for 18 months, and Lennon's a bit-part player at best, we can't afford to be paying millions in wages for squad players, this is why our wage bill is in danger of spiralling out of control.

Now of course we will need to replace Lennon at least in the next window, Hart i'm not so sure about, assuming Pope stays, and BPF is his deputy, do we need 4 keepers on the books, i know we had the freak injuries to Heats/Pope a couple of seasons ago, but 4 seems excessive to me, even in a specialist position.

If Tripps was available at the right fee and wages we'd be daft not to be interested, i have no idea if either of those criteria apply in his case though.
Totally agree. You feel a certain level of comfort having 3 good keepers, but it’s not what a club like Burnley need. I’d rather have one able deputy and a look to the loan market when the window opens if we get a mid-season injury to Pope. Worst possible time is early Feb, otherwise you tend to only be a few months away from securing a replacement. I’d rather we have a stronger outfield squad.

Also wonder if Heaton would return if Villa go down?

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Grumps » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:49 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:23 am
Had Tom not suffered the injury at Preston, we would not have signed Hart.
We know now it was a minor injury, but did they at the time, he could just as easily been out for 6 weeks

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:50 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:44 am
Hart & Lennon have had good careers, but at their respective ages they aren't going to improve either, both are 33 and entering the latter stages of their playing days, it'd be daft to offer them new contracts when Hart's not played for 18 months, and Lennon's a bit-part player at best, we can't afford to be paying millions in wages for squad players, this is why our wage bill is in danger of spiralling out of control.

Now of course we will need to replace Lennon at least in the next window, Hart i'm not so sure about, assuming Pope stays, and BPF is his deputy, do we need 4 keepers on the books, i know we had the freak injuries to Heats/Pope a couple of seasons ago, but 4 seems excessive to me, even in a specialist position.

If Tripps was available at the right fee and wages we'd be daft not to be interested, i have no idea if either of those criteria apply in his case though.
You need three goalkeepers, and when we kicked off 2017/18 season we had Heaton, Pope & Legzdins which was fine, Legzdins coming in to replace Robinson. Then Heaton got the injury so in came Lindegaard, again fine. Move on a year and we have all four with Pope getting injured at Aberdeen. We still had three, albeit Tom nursing a sore calf. Lindegaard did more than OK in the two Aberdeen games so I'm not sure why we went for another goalkeeper unless they had reservations about Lindegaard playing too often although we'd just given him a new deal.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:50 am

With both Lennon and Hart being leaked as leavers, does that bode well for Jeff and Bards?

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:50 am

Grumps wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:49 am
We know now it was a minor injury, but did they at the time, he could just as easily been out for 6 weeks
By the time Hart came in, Tom was fit but excluded from Europe for two weeks.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:51 am

Grumps wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:46 am
Same ones are on the Covid thread :lol: Joe was a very good signing at the time.
Lots of people at the time questioned the decision to spend a substantial amount of wages on a player who’d shown no form for nigh on three seasons previously in a position we didn’t need to strengthen.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by mdd2 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:51 am

it was-I think he had a year left on his City contract so I think the £5million we paid would have probably gone to Joe as the difference in his salary at BFC and what he would have had at City in his last 12 months. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we needed a keeper PDQ and I am guessing Joe would not have come on loan or on a 12 month contract.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:53 am

mdd2 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:51 am
it was-I think he had a year left on his City contract so I think the £5million we paid would have probably gone to Joe as the difference in his salary at BFC and what he would have had at City in his last 12 months. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we needed a keeper PDQ and I am guessing Joe would not have come on loan or on a 12 month contract.
Did we pay £5 million for him?

As for the loan, I'm sure I read somewhere that he'd said he wouldn't go out on loan again having spent the previous two seasons on loan deals.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by TVC15 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:53 am

I’m not sure it was the best use of £8m in transfer fees and wages.
I think in weighing up the risk versus the benefit we could have mitigated the risk in a much more cost effective way.

However I’m saying that without possibly knowing the whole story and SD / his team could have done this for reasons that make much more sense than it appears on the face of things to us mere fans

(We paid £4m btw)

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:58 am

Is it possible that Hart was intended to be involved heavily in our European campaign, which never fully materialised?

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Post by IanMcL » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:58 am

Did his bit. Best wishes.
Hope it works out properly, elsewhere.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:00 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:58 am
Is it possible that Hart was intended to be involved heavily in our European campaign, which never fully materialised?
Heaton played both games against Olympiacos - Hart wasn't even on the official flight to Istanbul and wasn't expected to play.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:06 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:00 am
Heaton played both games against Olympiacos - Hart wasn't even on the official flight to Istanbul and wasn't expected to play.
That blows that theory then!

Strange signing in many ways, but he appears to have conducted himself well and I think he was unfortunate to take the brunt of criticism for our awful run last season. I wish him well.
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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:09 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:58 am
Is it possible that Hart was intended to be involved heavily in our European campaign, which never fully materialised?
Give over. We had no intention of bring in the EL for long. A masterstroke as we would most likely have gone down, given that the squad was so sparse.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:13 am

Think JH can count himself to be unlucky. I felt at the time it was a good signing and one made to increase our profile. Even though early doors we weren't playing well and there did seem a lack of understanding between Hart and the Back Four. Also during this period some were beginning to question Mee's position as captain. There certainly seemed to be a lack of communication between the keeper and defence, but more alarmingly the defence in general and specifically the central partnership. It all came to a head on Boxing Day. The solution being TH's return. However I felt the problems ran deeper and I'm sure JH will go on and have a good autumn to his career.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:17 am

summitclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:09 am
Give over. We had no intention of bring in the EL for long. A masterstroke as we would most likely have gone down, given that the squad was so sparse.
Really? As I recall we tried our utmost to beat Olympiacos at the Turf which would have taken us into the group stages. I think your memory is failing you.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:22 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:06 am
That blows that theory then!

Strange signing in many ways, but he appears to have conducted himself well and I think he was unfortunate to take the brunt of criticism for our awful run last season. I wish him well.
I remember walking away from the London Stadium last season having lost 4-2. He was our man of the match but one of my mates said he would drop him because with him in goal it simply wasn't working. He was ultimately right, it didn't work with Hart in goal whereas it did with Heaton and does with Pope.

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Re: Joe Hart To Leave At The End Of June

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:23 am

Think going out to America would be a good move for Hart now. Get away from the spotlight for the last few years of his career and experience a different culture. Maybe see if Beckham will have him down in Miami?

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