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Re: The Chairman

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:29 am

Totally agree bfcjg and also we overstretched assuming we had money for the full ITV Digital contract which was a contract full of holes that left our vessel sinking fast had it not been for Barry Kilby "selling" our assets to fund our debts.
Too many cannot seem to grasp that well over 90% of the Prem League money funds salaries and transfers already, so that there is not a great deal left.
That we have an apparent £50 million treasure chest comes after 5 seasons in this league. Wasn't our last profit on the year just £4 million? If so where the hell does SD or some of the posters on here expect the £££££ to come from?
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Re: The Chairman

Post by DCWat » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:58 am

As Dyche said in the article, it’s not about breaking things, but stretching them.

The stretch for me needs to come in the form of signing players that will offer a good chance of a big resale value, whilst affecting the team now.

There are plenty of examples of players that we could have been in for who would have netted us a good profit, had we pushed the boat out (though some that haven’t achieved expectations too, it must be said).

It’s not easy when there is plenty of competition for these signings with deep pockets and a naturally cautious chairman.

How do we look to get the next Maddison, Alli, Robertson, etc. to Burnley. They were all players we knew about well before a big money move.

It’s not just being prepared to spend on such players, it’s also Dyche getting them in the squad and perhaps not being so concerned with ‘characters’.

That stretch and flexibility needs to come from Dyche and Garlick, whilst seeing our scouting system (home or abroad) starting to deliver some results.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:58 am

Not sure where we have 'wasted' too much.

Lennon has been needed and played regularly. Cheap to purchase and skilful Defended too.

Gibson had made the England squad and is a decent player. The lack of rotation has denied him appearances. At the time, Tarkowski was being touted to move. We had no cover for Mee.

Are we supposed to sign players who cannot make a seamless transition? We are in the Premier League!

Bardsley and Pieters have been great. Both superb professional footballers. Taylor took his chance and replaced Ward.

Hendrick had been integral. Brady was flying before crocked. JBG similarly.

Vydra showing he can play and score. Wood scores. Barnes scores, JayRod scores. Cork has earned his corn, as has Westwood. Brownhill looks a decent buy. Keepers gave been brilliant - even Hart did his bit.

We are still in the prem!

Kieran Trippier next season and we have cracked it!
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Re: The Chairman

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:07 pm

Kieran Trippier next season and we have cracked it!

There is quite a bit of chatter on here about him. Where has this come from given that he is not OOC until 2022 and would command a big fee as well as salary. He is, 30 in September and cost them £20million.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:09 pm

SD can't have it both ways.
He either wants to retain players on contract, or buy new players. The alternative is making the squad bigger, and that isn't sustainable.
We need new blood, younger, hungrier blood. To get them we need to off load a few players. I'm glad Bards signed, and I'd have kept Hendrick, but the rest just had to go, If we want to refresh the squad.
We haven't got a clue how much the shutdown has bitten into the coffers, or how it will affect the value of players. I cant see it having a bearing on wages.
We have to trust Garlick, to know what is best for the club. He hasn't let us down yet, there's no reason to think he'll let us down now.
It has to be frustrating for SD, but that's life. I doubt he'd be better off at a.n.other club, or be given the time he has enjoyed here.
Fingers crossed they can meet in the middle.
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Re: The Chairman

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:15 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:09 pm
SD can't have it both ways.
He either wants to retain players on contract, or buy new players. The alternative is making the squad bigger, and that isn't sustainable.
We need new blood, younger, hungrier blood. To get them we need to off load a few players. I'm glad Bards signed, and I'd have kept Hendrick, but the rest just had to go, If we want to refresh the squad.
We haven't got a clue how much the shutdown has bitten into the coffers, or how it will affect the value of players. I cant see it having a bearing on wages.
We have to trust Garlick, to know what is best for the club. He hasn't let us down yet, there's no reason to think he'll let us down now.
It has to be frustrating for SD, but that's life. I doubt he'd be better off at a.n.other club, or be given the time he has enjoyed here.
Fingers crossed they can meet in the middle.
I think they have already met in the middle. Bardsley signed an extension and I don't think he would have done if he thought Dyche was leaving. Not so much because it was Sean, who he knows he can work with, so much as an unknown manager who he might not gel with, coming in.
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Re: The Chairman

Post by Andy J » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:29 pm

Key players with new contracts this year, wage bill at top end of allowable v turnover and squad in need of additions between seasons. Dyche has been backed up to now and can see the sense in waiting for the market to evolve in current climate. Cannot understand the need for public spat over bit part players that needed to go. That said am glad solution was found re Bardsley.
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Re: The Chairman

Post by claretblue » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:39 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:58 am
Not sure where we have 'wasted' too much.

Lennon has been needed and played regularly. Cheap to purchase and skilful Defended too.

Gibson had made the England squad and is a decent player. The lack of rotation has denied him appearances. At the time, Tarkowski was being touted to move. We had no cover for Mee.

Are we supposed to sign players who cannot make a seamless transition? We are in the Premier League!


Bardsley and Pieters have been great. Both superb professional footballers. Taylor took his chance and replaced Ward.

Hendrick had been integral. Brady was flying before crocked. JBG similarly.

Vydra showing he can play and score. Wood scores. Barnes scores, JayRod scores. Cork has earned his corn, as has Westwood. Brownhill looks a decent buy. Keepers gave been brilliant - even Hart did his bit.

We are still in the prem!

Kieran Trippier next season and we have cracked it!
this positivity doesn’t sit well on this messageboard!

you sure you’re a Claret Ian? :?
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Re: The Chairman

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:57 pm

claretblue wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:39 pm
this positivity doesn’t sit well on this messageboard!

you sure you’re a Claret Ian? :?
Not to mention Joey Barton!

Michael Keane profit, after development and made England team, as has Tarkowski and Cork.

Oh and we had Defour! Steven Defour!
I just don't think you understand!

😁😊👍🍻

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Ric_C » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:07 pm

I'd rather we started to stretch our budget by going for the likes of young talent such as Jarred Bowen who have real sell on value, than going for trusted pros on big wages who hardly contribute (Lennon, Hart, Gibson).

We need to keep the core squad trim in terms of size, but a change of direction is needed, as buying potential and selling them for high fees eventually is a good way to stay in this division for longer. Hopefully this is what Dyche is asking for.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:19 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:08 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53200110

Burnley must stretch finances.......Dyche
As we have discussed in this thread the finances have already been stretched to their limits, we cant afford 50k wages for people to sit on a bench every week. Should have tried to keep Hendrick but that’s about it.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:22 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:07 pm
Kieran Trippier next season and we have cracked it!

There is quite a bit of chatter on here about him. Where has this come from given that he is not OOC until 2022 and would command a big fee as well as salary. He is, 30 in September and cost them £20million.
He said he would love to play for Burnley again as his last club before retirement but like you say, no chance of getting him before then, playing well for Atletico.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Leisure » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:33 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:07 pm
I'd rather we started to stretch our budget by going for the likes of young talent such as Jarred Bowen who have real sell on value, than going for trusted pros on big wages who hardly contribute (Lennon, Hart, Gibson).

We need to keep the core squad trim in terms of size, but a change of direction is needed, as buying potential and selling them for high fees eventually is a good way to stay in this division for longer. Hopefully this is what Dyche is asking for.
Possibly young talent like Bowen are being persued by numerous clubs (mostly more attractive and wealthy than us), whereas older/trusted pros are less in demand.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by summitclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm

Andy J wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:29 pm
Key players with new contracts this year, wage bill at top end of allowable v turnover and squad in need of additions between seasons. Dyche has been backed up to now and can see the sense in waiting for the market to evolve in current climate. Cannot understand the need for public spat over bit part players that needed to go. That said am glad solution was found re Bardsley.
Absolutely.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by AfloatinClaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:56 pm

claretblue wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:39 pm
this positivity doesn’t sit well on this messageboard! you sure you’re a Claret Ian? :?
Exactly! - even Hart did his bit. What sort of perverse comment is that to be making?
It was Joe Harte's fault that SD/MG had a disagreement. Had JH sat of the bench at Maine Road instead of going home, we'd have scored some late goals to equalise and his absence even cost us a couple of goals on Thursday; we just need to get through the weekend and it'll be July, Joe Harte's time at BFC'll be officially over and we'll win every game 5-0 for ever more.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by rob63 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:04 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:16 am
Hell of a time to ask.....
Said on another thread his timing was off by at least 6 months, for a man who prides himself on man management it does seem to be a bit, well, dim to say the least. Like a best man at a wedding who knows his speech isn't the best time to share the groom's proclivities, but does it anyway.

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Come on chairman

Post by aberclaret » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:00 pm

Give him some money

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Message to Mr Garlick

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:28 pm

Put things into perspective. Realise what a diamond you have in Sean Dyche. Get round a table and if there are any differences, put them to behind you , for the benefit of Burnley Football Club move forward, together with the best manager our grand old club has had for over 50 years please.

Thank you.
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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:29 pm

Seconded.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by IanMcL » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:30 pm

Seconded.

I am sure they will.

Each match, we losr another player. Bench ludicrous.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:31 pm

Fourthed

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Winstonswhite » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:32 pm

I honestly think it’s a storm in a teacup. It’s not like Dyche hasn’t moaned about not having money before.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:32 pm

It has to work both ways.

Dyche has been incredible for us. And still is.

Let’s say we push the boat out. On three or four year contracts for 28 year old Jeff Hendrick and the like. And fans don’t return next season. And sky money plummets.

We have to take a cautious approach now more than ever.

I’m sure they’ll back him. But within sensible reason.

Don’t forget clubs at championship and below will be far worse hit than us financially and there should be lots of bargains in our favoured market.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by prettygreenclaret » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:32 pm

Exactly time to back Sean now. He deserves it.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by tim_noone » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:32 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:28 pm
Put things into perspective. Realise what a diamond you have in Sean Dyche. Get round a table and if there are any differences, put them to behind you , for the benefit of Burnley Football Club move forward, together with the best manager our grand old club has had for over 50 years please.

Thank you.
You can lead a horse to Water ..doesn't mean he's gonna drink it.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:33 pm

We'd be fooked without him.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by dougcollins » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:35 pm

All the people who say 'no one is bigger than the club' appear to be overlooking the fact that this statement also includes Mr Garlick.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:37 pm

Interesting comments in after match interview with Dyche saying the ‘dynamics of the club had changed in the past 100 days’??

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Nonayforever » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:39 pm

I think when SD sees that he has the luxury of securing 10 or more of his preferred options for next season ( due to the financial crisis within other not very well run clubs ) he will be only to happy to continue his journey with Burnley

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by levraiclaret » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:39 pm

Mr Garlick is the money man but without the talent of Mr Dyche there is no money. Back SD to the full extent you are able Mike.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Antmass » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:53 pm

I think that without this extreme injury list we have just now, we wouldn't be concercerned too much. I'm happy with the players we've let go. They ALL needed to move on. No problems here with the way MG is running the club.
It appears that we are creating nuisances when, it seems, the club is in a wonderful position,.
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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by AndrewJB » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:54 pm

What is their disagreement over? Just budget, or something bigger?

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:55 pm

Give him the brass, you big bottom burp.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by agreenwood » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:56 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:37 pm
Interesting comments in after match interview with Dyche saying the ‘dynamics of the club had changed in the past 100 days’??
Saw that and wondered if Covid has led to Dyche being told the purse strings are going to be tightened even further.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Sozturf7 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:57 pm

Keep up the good work.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:58 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:37 pm
Interesting comments in after match interview with Dyche saying the ‘dynamics of the club had changed in the past 100 days’??
Of course the dynamic has changed. Covid 19 came along and no one knows what the finances will be next season. Will there be crowds even, or will it still be behind closed doors. You want the the board to invest, not knowing what's going to happen?

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:01 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:56 pm
Saw that and wondered if Covid has led to Dyche being told the purse strings are going to be tightened even further.
Very possibly.
But as a club we are doing fine. I can't help thinking that SD (like most PL managers) wants more money for the benefit of his own career.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:03 pm

I've just liked and am now agreeing with one of Ringo's posts.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Longsider » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:06 pm

Agree, but I think he is off.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by Goobs » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:08 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:37 pm
Interesting comments in after match interview with Dyche saying the ‘dynamics of the club had changed in the past 100 days’??
I took that to mean that because of injuries and OOC players that had left it had changed the dynamic. This wouldn't have been the case if the season hadn't stalled as players would have been in contract until the end of the season and therefore not walked and left us with players for the bench.

Also as others have said who knows how TV payments etc will be affected next season.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Aclaret » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:19 am

I know the chairman is entitled to remain quiet on the running of our club, but wouldn't it be good if he showed a little empathy towards us, the fans.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Blackrod » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 am

He’s referring to the club going into full panic mode ( and we do need to be a bit cautious ) on the back of Coronavirus. Things were obviously agreed before about contracts and targets and then stopped in their tracks leaving everything in limbo with no contingency plan. Whilst we can’t carry a big squad the bench last night was a bit pathetic for a team in the PL and I can’t imagine many managers working with that.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:36 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:01 pm
Very possibly.
But as a club we are doing fine. I can't help thinking that SD (like most PL managers) wants more money for the benefit of his own career.
Being able to fill the bench, would be a start!

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Re: The Chairman

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:50 am

No need whatsoever for us to have 9 good subs, it's the lack of trusted options on the bench that's the issue. By the end of the game we were down to our last 11 senior players.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Dougall » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:00 am

Blackrod wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 am
He’s referring to the club going into full panic mode ( and we do need to be a bit cautious ) on the back of Coronavirus. Things were obviously agreed before about contracts and targets and then stopped in their tracks leaving everything in limbo with no contingency plan. Whilst we can’t carry a big squad the bench last night was a bit pathetic for a team in the PL and I can’t imagine many managers working with that.
Obviously????

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:01 am

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:36 am
Being able to fill the bench, would be a start!
As has been said, injuries are not the chairman's fault.

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Re: Message to Mr Garlick

Post by summitclaret » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:09 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:01 am
As has been said, injuries are not the chairman's fault.
Nor is that fact that our better young lads have been out on loan and are now ineligible. Some would have been on the bench in the last 3 games, rather than at least 3 of the ones that gave been.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by dsr » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 am

Blackrod wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 am
He’s referring to the club going into full panic mode ( and we do need to be a bit cautious ) on the back of Coronavirus. Things were obviously agreed before about contracts and targets and then stopped in their tracks leaving everything in limbo with no contingency plan. Whilst we can’t carry a big squad the bench last night was a bit pathetic for a team in the PL and I can’t imagine many managers working with that.
As of 1st February 2020 we had a first team squad of 23 players. The 12 who played last night, the 6 out injured, the 3 (excl. Legzdins) who left, plus BPF and (arguably) Gibson.

If that squad was too small, that was the time to address it. But under normal circumstances it would have been enough - the injury crisis and coronavirus happening at the same time, clearly wasn't predicted.

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Re: The Chairman

Post by dsr » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 am

dsr wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 am
As of 1st February 2020 we had a first team squad of 23 players. The 12 who played last night, the 6 out injured, the 3 (excl. Legzdins) who left, plus BPF and (arguably) Gibson.

If that squad was too small, that was the time to address it. But under normal circumstances it would have been enough - the injury crisis and coronavirus happening at the same time, clearly wasn't predicted.

(Nor was Hendrick and Lennon refusing to play even though up to today they are under contract.)

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Re: The Chairman

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 am

dsr wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 am
Are you sure that Hendrick and Lennon refused to play? Maybe it was just Sean refusing to play players who aren't committed to the club?

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