Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

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Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:22 pm

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:25 pm

Is that a good thing that Burnley are bottom of this table?

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:27 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:25 pm
Is that a good thing that Burnley are bottom of this table?

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It sort of highlights the sort of deals we do but at least there is a lot less money going out than there is from elsewhere

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:27 pm
It sort of highlights the sort of deals we do but at least there is a lot less money going out than there is from elsewhere
A few of the other clubs have paid more on agents than Burnley have paid in record transfer fees.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by DCWat » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:31 pm

It’s a scandal in itself that over £263 million has effectively gone out of the game, especially when we clubs such as Bury disappearing.

I can well see the reason that a player might need an agent. What I can’t see, nor understand, is why their fees are not paid for entirely by the player that has recruited them.
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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by ElectroClaret » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:33 pm

Bournemouth shelled out £9.5 million.
More than Newcastle or Wolves. :o

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by NewClaret » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:33 pm

Shocking. £90m our the game from the top 3 clubs. Agents are the leeches of the modern game.

In some ways glad we succumb least, in others it highlights the very problem we face being competitive in this league.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:33 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:31 pm
It’s a scandal in itself that over £263 million has effectively gone out of the game, especially when we clubs such as Bury disappearing.

I can well see the reason that a player might need an agent. What I can’t see, nor understand, is why their fees are not paid for entirely by the player that has recruited them.
These fees are for agents employed by the clubs to facilitate deals.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by DCWat » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:38 pm

So we have agents that wangle deals for players AND agents that sort the deals for clubs!? I must admit, I’d always assumed they were all one and the same.

So how do this lot work then and is that a hindrance to us in the transfer market?

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:44 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:38 pm
So we have agents that wangle deals for players AND agents that sort the deals for clubs!? I must admit, I’d always assumed they were all one and the same.

So how do this lot work then and is that a hindrance to us in the transfer market?
They might be one and the same but they can work for opposite sides.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by agreenwood » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:48 pm

According to the detailed breakdown we paid agents to renew the contacts of youth team players who’ll probably ultimately do well do have a career at the top end of non-league.

No doubt the fees were small, but still...

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:54 pm

New regulations coming in on Agents fees and activities from FIFA this Autumn

pure speculation - It may be that our reluctance to pay substantial agents fees is part of the block of signing players that we may want but do not get, possibly more so those in European markets
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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:54 pm

not trying to be funny here at all - but surely given our lack of signings (not a criticism) we were always going to be bottom of this table ?

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by MACCA » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:09 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:54 pm
not trying to be funny here at all - but surely given our lack of signings (not a criticism) we were always going to be bottom of this table ?
This and the tuoe of player we recruit.
If the player is ageing and/or doesnt have many options there's no bidding war, so I'd say the fees the agents can charge would be vastly reduced.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by summitclaret » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:22 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:31 pm
It’s a scandal in itself that over £263 million has effectively gone out of the game, especially when we clubs such as Bury disappearing.

I can well see the reason that a player might need an agent. What I can’t see, nor understand, is why their fees are not paid for entirely by the player that has recruited them.
Agree entirely. So proud we are bottom of that league. It's a disgrace.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by aggi » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:45 pm

A lot of these fees are incurred in signing new contracts rather than new players. Look how much Liverpool spent in a period where they didn't sign many players.

In most instances the agent is "representing" both the club and the player. It was realised that when the agents were only being paid by the player this was just being added on to the fees anyway and that wasn't the most tax efficient way of doing it. Having the agent also represent the club can minimise the tax payable.

You can see all the details (without values) here http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thef ... 19-20.ashx

These are the Burnley ones (you'll probably need to open the image in a new tab)
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(I've just noticed that I went to school with Josh Brownhill's agent)

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by bfcjg » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:32 pm

They can dress it up how they want, they are parasites and leeches. Many a career has been ruined by agents encouraging moves just to garner a fee.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by JohnMac » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:58 pm

Mate, you are crap at football but I can still make you a millionaire by becoming my agent.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:39 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:38 pm
So we have agents that wangle deals for players AND agents that sort the deals for clubs!? I must admit, I’d always assumed they were all one and the same.

So how do this lot work then and is that a hindrance to us in the transfer market?
Then there are managers who take a cut from every deal. Outrageous to me.

I’d bring all fees down tomorrow. All transfer fees to be paid in full at month end.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:12 pm

What the figures don't show, and one of the reasons why you ( or anyone ) would want to own a club, is how much cash the agents paid to the owners / directors for allowing the deals to proceed.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:26 pm

If you think the PL numbers are mind-numbing,check out the Championship figures they're mentalhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53171064 is it any wonder clubs are struggling to balance the books, with all these outgoings.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by aggi » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:56 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:12 pm
What the figures don't show, and one of the reasons why you ( or anyone ) would want to own a club, is how much cash the agents paid to the owners / directors for allowing the deals to proceed.
We'll be seeing a lot of owners and directors in court soon if that's the case.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by Petersa » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:55 pm

What I find difficult to understand is that Chelsea paid 26m when there was a transfer embargo against them!

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:00 pm

Petersa wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:55 pm
What I find difficult to understand is that Chelsea paid 26m when there was a transfer embargo against them!
Lots of fees involved in renewing contracts as well. Liverpool didn't really sign anyone during that period either and they spent £30m.

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Re: Agents Fees - Feb 2019 to Jan 2020

Post by Longtimeclaret » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:19 pm

West Ham
What a well run club

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