Worrying times

[claretandy]

This reads a bit like a story planted by an agent. The bit I don’t get is that we are in the midst of the worst immediate decline in GDP for hundreds of years. Football clubs aren’t immune from that, Sky and others were demanding loads of cash back, that risk seems to have eased, but if we get a second spike it could reassert itself next season.

Burnley won’t be the only club battening down the hatches.

Hendrick was probably on a big deal after a near record signing. So a reduction in the light of him being a bit part player seems reasonable. He plays a good chunk of the season but he isn’t a Wood, McNeil, Mee, Pope, Cork etc.

Similarly why the heck should Lennon and Hart be offered a deal on big wages when they hardly play?

No, if Sean wats out in the midst of a pandemic then he is better sodding off ASAP. He could have stopped these stories immediately but he has encouraged them with his outbursts, He has done very well for us, but he can be a bit of a drama queen at times. Done well or not, its times like this I despair of the man.

Remember that Hendrick signed 4 years ago, so wasn't a high earner now, the top earners are on 60k a week, Hendrick would have been on half of that, and then you're offered a reduction ?

[Grumps]

Remember that Hendrick signed 4 years ago, so wasn't a high earner now, the top earners are on 60k a week, Hendrick would have been on half of that, and then you're offered a reduction ?

Good luck to him getting more elsewhere, he obviously believes he can, time will tell.

[jojomk1]

If Hendrick was offered less money than his current deal (which he signed 4 years ago) then there's no surprise that he has decided to go, especially when he will prob be offered a rise from the likes of Newcastle

[NewClaret]

My word, as if we hadn’t had enough bad news recently, now we have to worry about Hughes replacing Dyche

In the hope that the club read these threads, can I just categorically state that if that happens (or Moyes, who I’m sure will be on the market again soon), you won’t be seeing me on the Turf!!!!!

[NewClaret]

Good luck to him getting more elsewhere, he obviously believes he can, time will tell.

Nobody on here really knows what the score is, but if he was offered less I’d suspect it was a reduced offer post-Covid, maybe because protections were added to the bonus structure to link to TV income?

Suspect we may suffer more than other clubs from the post-Covid negotiation because we’re naturally more cautious than others and these are very uncertain times, but highly suspect that the other rumoured clubs - Celtic, Roma, AC - will all new worse affected than us while stadium access is permitted. Newcastle are the exception, of their take over goes ahead and if it does, you’d expect they’ll have higher ambitions.

[Vegas Claret]

if Dyche goes and is replaced by Mark Hughes then I will put a formal request into Claret Tony to ban me from here with immediate effect !

[Grumps]

My word, as if we hadn’t had enough bad news recently, now we have to worry about Hughes replacing Dyche

In the hope that the club read these threads, can I just categorically state that if that happens (or Moyes, who I’m sure will be on the market again soon), you won’t be seeing me on the Turf!!!!!

We've had worse managers than moyes or Hughes and still watched them. Not that I'd want either if dyche left.

[NottsClaret]

There’ll be some agent somewhere behind it, our money made attracting one inevitable. Getting Rigg into the club, then the crappy offers to Dyche’s trusted players.

The stories in the papers, the first tentative suggestion of Hughes. Whoever the guy is, look at whichever overpaid no-marks are on his books and that’s who Hughes will be bringing to our club in a year or two.

As above, it was great while it lasted.

[Top Claret]

Dyches time is almost up.
No matter how good they are, they don't stay at one club forever and we must now prepare for his departure.

We need to replace him with an experienced Premier league manager. I don't see Mark Hughes as being a problem he is used to working with top pros and would no doubt get the respect of ours.

I would be horrified though if we went for the likes of Michael Duff who some have mentioned on here, neither would I be happy with Johnson from Bristol

[mdd2]

We need to replace him with an experienced Premier league manager. I don't see Mark Hughes as being a problem he is used to working with top pros and would no doubt get the respect of ours.

I would be horrified though if we went for the likes of Michael Duff who some have mentioned on here, neither would I be happy with Johnson from Bristol

And were you the 0.00000001% of posters who eulogised about appointing Dyche in October 2012?

[OssyClaret]

Alex Neil please

[9thMay1987]

I am very much in agreement with the comments of Top Claret. But if our manager was to go I would like Chris Houghton as my choice.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Johnson and Hughes wouldn’t have the same agent would they?

I wouldn’t be surprised if we needed a new one in a month or two but they would be two disappointments.

[BennyD]

Before Monday I would have been devastated at the thought of Dyche leaving, now I’m completely ambivalent. If the club sinks, then it’s down to themselves and perhaps Karma coming home to roost. I’ll get the popcorn out.

[Top Claret]

And were you the 0.00000001% of posters who eulogised about appointing Dyche in October 2012?

We are a different animal now than 2012, next year will be our 5th consecutive in the Premier league.

Dyche was a good appointment in 2012, although he would not have been a good appointment for todays Burnley, as he lacked the experience at this level

[jtv]

What is more worrying, in my opinion, is that SD seems to think that the financial situation is great "I know the financial standing of the club and I know how good it is". It seems that he is not making allowance for (a) the Covid effect which will mean that this season the Club will not get the full TV money envisaged at start of season (b) the Covid effect next season - will the Premier League get full whack of TV money? (c) the fact that most other Clubs, including the strugglers like Villa and Brighton, have greater outside financial backing that can dilute (a) and (b)

[Flying Without Ings]

Despite finding ourselves in one of the best positions we've ever been in as an experienced Premier League club and financially stable, Garlick is well on his way to running this club into the ground and will become one of the club's most hated figures.

[boatshed bill]

If this is to be the end of the Dyche era then so be it.
We should attract a high calibre of potential candidates.
The future is always exciting.

[jtv]

Despite finding ourselves in one of the best positions we've ever been in as an experienced Premier League club and financially stable, Garlick is well on his way to running this club into the ground and will become one of the club's most hated figures.

We are as financially stable as the TV money permits. This is the biggest chunk of our revenue and it is very fluid in the current circumstances. Remember ITV Digital?

[Flying Without Ings]

We are as financially stable as the TV money permits. This is the biggest chunk of our revenue and it is very fluid in the current circumstances. Remember ITV Digital?

Yes, you never know whats around the corner - Dyche will be aware of this. He wasn't asking the club to make huge risks by spending 50 million quid on top of the squad we already have. He simply wanted to retain a key player and Garlick has failed to do that. All sorts of financial risks must be made to try keep the club in this league but keeping Hendrick didn't seem to be a big one.

[jtv]

Keeping Hendrick has been a big question mark even before covid. I fail to see why people are surprised when this has been on the cards for a long time.

[Devils_Advocate]

Its a shame Bruce has been such a success at Newcastle as he would have been perfect. I think its time we went for a foreign manager and tried to freshen the club up a bit cos its all a bit stale and only being propped up because of Dyche's exceptional leadership and man management skills

[Papabendi]

Wow Rigg has gone from having next to no influence in the one area he is supposed to have responsibility for, to choosing our next manager.

Forgive me if I am looking at the sniff test here.

[evensteadiereddie]

A bit stale ? Really ? The club are in an excellent position to move forward. What better challenge could Dyche have to build on the fabulous work he and his players have done so far.
Identifying and netting the players required next season and beyond - given reasonable financial backing - should provide that.

A decent performance tonight should disperse some of the clouds on here.

[groove]

I suspect 'worse terms' means a shorter term contract, so could have been anything below 4 years. It doesn't necessarily mean he was offered a pay cut.

[JohnDearyMe]

The positive feelings around the club off the back of our unbeaten run back in early March seem a world away

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Blackburn
15th
6th
10th
7th
Fulham
8th
Stoke
9th
9th
9th
13th

A few poor spells in there, qpr, southampton, stoke. But that’s a pretty good record. Whilst playing decent football.

Sacked
Sacked
Sacked

Yep brilliant manager

[jojomk1]

Wow Rigg has gone from having next to no influence in the one area he is supposed to have responsibility for, to choosing our next manager.

Forgive me if I am looking at the sniff test here.

A Technical Director reports directly to the Chairman and recruitment of any new manager always comes under their remit

Same at all other clubs, and maybe the issue for Dyche is not directly with MG

[AlargeClaret]

A bit stale ? Really ? The club are in an excellent position to move forward. What better challenge could Dyche have to build on the fabulous work he and his players have done so far.
Identifying and netting the players required next season and beyond - given reasonable financial backing - should provide that.

A decent performance tonight should disperse some of the clouds on here.

100% correct Eddie , if you’d consider voting Tory I could agree on your political posts also

[ŽižkovClaret]

And were you the 0.00000001% of posters who eulogised about appointing Dyche in October 2012?

I was

[Devils_Advocate]

A bit stale ? Really ?

When the fans definition of exciting news is Phil Bardsley signing a one year contract extension then yes it has

[mikeS]

Paper talk. Hopefully. UTC

[Woonderbah]

Good luck to him getting more elsewhere, he obviously believes he can, time will tell.

For any of us, life's all about making tough decisions when they present themselves.
Whether they're what's best remains to be seen in this case.
Jeff was decent for us but there's now an opportunity for us to improve.

[warksclaret]

What has the highly paid Diana Rigg achieved for Burnley since his appointment as Chief Exec

[bfcjg]

I think he is going this time and TBH I still think if Everton had of offered him the job a couple ofvyears ago he would have gone then.
He has been brilliant for us and likewise we have been brilliant for him, I will be gutted if he goes and will always wish him well. He is not a fan so doesn't have that love for the club we have, and if we were fed up at work and there was something elsewhere that looked bigger and better then we would do the same.
I really hope it is gamesmanship and paper talk but this time I think it is over.
Not looking forward to seeing him with another clubs badge on, however will his job be as secure ? Not many would put up with some of the runs we have especially in the early part of a season when you want the players to adopt your tactics and style.

[ksrclaret]

Well Boden is led to believe that things between manager and chairman are as bad as made out in that article, for whatever that comment is worth.

He’s usually the first to downplay any story.

[Devils_Advocate]

Bit of a subjective one but I would say in 2018, 2019 & 2020 we have not managed to sign a player better than Hendrick.

You could argue Jay-Rod and Id say they are about on a par but considering Jeff is seen as a bit of a utility player to plug the gaps and would have more often than not been a bench warmer this season had JBG been fully fit then it highlights the level of ambition we have had in the transfer market for some time

Dyche's ability to work miracles with a pretty average bunch of players has been our saving grace but you cant blame him for getting a bit fed up and starting to be on the lookout for pastures new

[Blackrod]

Don’t want Dyche to go as his imprint is all over the club. If he did I would also like Chris Hughton. Just hoping we dont get a string of lacklustre performances if all is not well.

[CaptJohn]

IMHO Mr Dyche has outgrown Burnley and this is most definitely not a criticism of him BTW.
He's often in the news these days and is something of a celebrity due to the success he's had at the Clarets. This has naturally enhanced his standing in both the footballing and media world to the extent that his stock has never been higher. If he goes then he does so with my thanks and best wishes but I just hope that he doesn't cause too many problems within the club as he exits.
It's all well and good having disagreements with the Chairman behind closed doors but when it is made very public it would appear to be part of an exit strategy that puts him in the shop window, for any club looking for a new manager with a high and fast growing profile.

[Murger]

We'll know during the game tonight if the problem is as bad as being reported. If the players have downed tools, it's game over.

[claretspice]

Let's get something straight to start with. Dyche is going to leave at some point. Nothing lasts for ever.

And after 8 years of constant ying and yang on the finances - manager wanting more to spend, chairman wanting to control it - it's absolutely inevitable a relationship will fray, or even break down, irrespective of who is more or less at fault. We have to be realistic about that.

The important thing is that we have a clear plan for what happens if and when Dyche goes, and we're not making decisions now - including on short-term recruitment - which make that divorce more difficult when the inevitable comes. It might be this summer, it might be next summer - but with every summer that passes, it becomes more likely that Dyche will not see out the next.

[IanMcL]

We've had worse managers than moyes or Hughes and still watched them. Not that I'd want either if dyche left.

We would probably bei back in for the remaining Stoke players we are yet to sign!

[IanMcL]

I remain hopeful that the Chairman is able to demonstrate to Sean Dyche that the 'pennies saved' over this fiasco have led to several strong signings, not least Kieran Trippier at right back. That would keep Mr D smiling for some time.

Up the Clarets

[tiger76]

Its a shame Bruce has been such a success at Newcastle as he would have been perfect. I think its time we went for a foreign manager and tried to freshen the club up a bit cos its all a bit stale and only being propped up because of Dyche's exceptional leadership and man management skills

I actually agree with you for once DA, i know Bruce isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he's a decent manager at this level, and is Newcastle's squad that much better than ours currently, the league table would suggest not, if the takeover goes through, and they decide to pot Bruce, we could do far worse than him, at least he knows what it takes to survive in this league, and first and foremost that'll always be our number 1 aim.

Foreign manager route worked for Huddersfield & Norwich, but not so much for many others, i'd be if we want down that road TBH.

[dsr]

Traditional managers are in charge of signings, aren't they? So why doesn't Dyche take charge of the player budget - both wages and transfer fees. Let Rigg, or AN Other, report to him rather than to Garlick.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

The worrying thing as far as I am concerned is that the players, in the main, are obviously very loyal to Sean and he has built up a great team spirit over the years and this has also been obvious this season. He sent Gibson away to train with Middlesbrough, we don't know the reasons, however, he must have been rocking the boat.
I think that much of the problems have hinged around Hendrick, who is obviously a player who Sean likes and has done a good job for us duriing the time he has been here, and Bardsley, who is another in the Dyche mould and who we have managed to retain at the last minute.

We can only guess just what effect this has had on team spirit, however, the players will go out and do the job but thier hearts may well not be in it.
This in itself will make it very difficult for any new manager coming in.

It's football so you can only suck it and see.

[COBBLE]

if West Ham are relegated David Moyes would be in the frame. If he could regain the intensity of his best Everton years it would not be so bad.

[AfloatinClaret]

...make no mistake if he left now it would absolutely catastrophic for the club.

His print is all over the club from the first team all the way down the facilities and the community department. He appears to be more like a managing director or chief operating officer than a head coach. If he was poached by another club that would be one thing, but for him to walk away due to a rift with the chairman would be far, far worse*...

I think 'catastrophic' is an overstatement, but I would accept that it'd be detrimental to BFC's progress/future. Fortunately, I suspect it would be equally detrimental to SD's career too, so hopefully he and the Board can and will amicably resolve any perceived or real difficulties between them.
As krsclaret states, SD's 'print is all over the club' and he's unlikely to be allowed that same degree of autonomy at any other.
SD currently has two years to run on his contract and at the time it was signed it, we were given to understand that it paid him a significantly higher salary than any other manager outside of the big-6? I don't know if that's true, but if so, in these troubled times SD's unlikely to get paid more elsewhere.
Burnley can, indeed at some point will, get relegated from the Premier League, it won't be this season, but it might be next and if that were to happen, the team would have had to have performed outrageously badly for it to cost SD his job at BFC; there's no doubt that the usual suspects here would be calling for his head when we've not won in a fortnight, but the Board and more level-headed supporters would stick with him; again something unlikely to happen elsewhere.

So, if SD chooses to 'walk out' his alternative, when it appears, is likely be a position offering him less authority/clout, a lower salary and less job security; particularly in these troubled times, it makes sense for both he and the Board to resolve their alleged differences and get on with the job in hand.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

if West Ham are relegated David Moyes would be in the frame. If he could regain the intensity of his best Everton years it would not be so bad.

Moyes is a busted flush now.
He's failed repeatedly to regain his Everton 'form' and there's no way he'd do it here.

I'd actually forgotten he was at West Ham until preparations for the restart were underway.

If we are going to replace Dyche then it needs to be a young hungry manager, not one of the usual merry-go-round suspects like Pardew, Hughes, Moyes etc.
Think long term.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Perhaps we should wait until after tonight's game before we get too hot and bothered about the Dyche situation. A good performance and result would make things look a whole lot rosier.