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ARTICLE: Clarets confirm academy retained list

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:09 pm

Details of which players are staying, might be staying and are leaving from the u23s and u18s

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Re: ARTICLE: Clarets confirm academy retained list

Post by MACCA » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:11 pm

Good luck to all those released in finding new clubs, and in their careers post Burnley.
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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:17 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:11 pm
Good luck to all those released in finding new clubs, and in their careers post Burnley.
Absolutely. I've not had chance to absorb it yet but always a sad time when young players, some of whom have been here for a lot of years, have to leave.

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Re: ARTICLE: Clarets confirm academy retained list

Post by superdimitri » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:34 pm

It's tough to make it, even tougher now we're in the premier league.

It's before my time and I know he would have made it eventually but would Trevor Steven be playing for us so young if we weren't in the 3rd tier?

And with Lee Dixon? Maybe he would have been a Burnley player longer if it wasn't for Brian Laws?

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Re: ARTICLE: Clarets confirm academy retained list

Post by FeedTheArf » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:23 pm

Aiden O'Neill is the strange one for me. Offered a new contract when he's been playing in Australia for the last 2 years. I thought he moved back over there as he was homesick? Maybe he's ready to give it another go over here. He did look a promising player at the time and we are short in midfield.

Interesting too that Ali Koiki, Adam Phillips and Rob Harker have only been offered and not accepted their deals, though I suppose it's a sign of improvement in the department that these players presumably have interest from elsewhere to delay signing a deal with us.

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Re: ARTICLE: Clarets confirm academy retained list

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:23 pm

Interesting too that Ali Koiki, Adam Phillips and Rob Harker have only been offered and not accepted their deals, though I suppose it's a sign of improvement in the department that these players presumably have interest from elsewhere to delay signing a deal with us.
That's why Koiki has been unavailable for the squad - the other two had been out on loan in any case.

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Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:01 pm

Best wishes to them all whether staying or leaving. I hope that they are successful and enjoy their football.

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Post by FeedTheArf » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 pm
That's why Koiki has been unavailable for the squad - the other two had been out on loan in any case.
Fair play to him if he can get a better move given he's only got 15 appearances to his name from a loan at Swindon and did OK but didn't set the world alight. If he gets his head down and performs next season then you would expect us to release Pieters this time next year and he'd have a clear pathway to the first team squad.

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Re: ARTICLE: Clarets confirm academy retained list

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:31 pm

If they haven’t signed very strange the contracts might be worse than last years contracts

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:32 pm

Find the Aiden O’Neil contract offer absolutely bizarre.

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Post by JohnDearyMe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:33 pm

Shame players like Koiki haven't signed a contract. Could have been a great opportunity for him to get some Premier League experience in the last few games (albeit in slightly surreal circumstances)

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Post by Nonayforever » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:35 pm

I thought Christian was looking a decent prospect but obviously not.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:34 pm

There's a few who seem to have disappeared completely?

Glennon, Cropper, Steels... and what's happened to Mumbongo?

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:46 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:34 pm
There's a few who seem to have disappeared completely?

Glennon, Cropper, Steels... and what's happened to Mumbongo?
Anthony Glennon and Jordan Cropper are under contract - but neither available for games because they have been out on loan.
Vinnie Steels appears to have disappeared some time ago along with Teddy Perkins (now Watford).
Joel Mumbongo has struggled with injuries this season.

Of your four, Steels is the only one who has disappeared.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:46 pm
Anthony Glennon and Jordan Cropper are under contract - but neither available for games because they have been out on loan.
Vinnie Steels appears to have disappeared some time ago along with Teddy Perkins (now Watford).
Joel Mumbongo has struggled with injuries this season.

Of your four, Steels is the only one who has disappeared.
Thanks, I just wondered why they weren't on the list.
We also had a goalkeeper, McMahon? who I believe we signed from a EFL club, is he also still under contract?
I'm aklways interested in how these young players are shaping up. There's a story behind this, but I won't bore you with it.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:06 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:23 pm
Aiden O'Neill is the strange one for me. Offered a new contract when he's been playing in Australia for the last 2 years. I thought he moved back over there as he was homesick? Maybe he's ready to give it another go over here. He did look a promising player at the time and we are short in midfield.
Word for word what I was going to post.

Also can’t believe he’s just 21. Assumed he must’ve been about that when he played at Chelsea. Looked a really good prospect.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:08 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:06 pm
Word for word what I was going to post.

Also can’t believe he’s just 21. Assumed he must’ve been about that when he played at Chelsea. Looked a really good prospect.
I had to check this week to see whether Max Thompson was the youngest to play for us in the Premier League but he's not, he's behind Aiden O'Neill. Both were 18 but Aiden was only a month or so past while Thompson is four months past.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:10 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:04 pm
Thanks, I just wondered why they weren't on the list.
We also had a goalkeeper, McMahon? who I believe we signed from a EFL club, is he also still under contract?
I'm aklways interested in how these young players are shaping up. There's a story behind this, but I won't bore you with it.
I've got McMahon listed as contract ending this summer with the club having a one year option but nothing has been said on him. I'll try to find out.
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Post by shulgin » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:11 pm

Well done Mitch George. I grew up with his dad in the 80s and 90s. Typical armchair Liverpool fan until the Walker cash came in then was one of the wannabe Blackburn "hard" lads. Funny his kid ended up at Burnley. Dad's name? Georgey of course.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:10 pm
I've got McMahon listed as contract ending this summer with the club having a one year option but nothing has been said on him. I'll try to find out.
I was particularly interested in the goalkeeping situation following quotes from our new GK coach.

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Post by rob63 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:44 am

FeedTheArf wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:23 pm
Aiden O'Neill is the strange one for me. Offered a new contract when he's been playing in Australia for the last 2 years. I thought he moved back over there as he was homesick? Maybe he's ready to give it another go over here. He did look a promising player at the time and we are short in midfield.

Interesting too that Ali Koiki, Adam Phillips and Rob Harker have only been offered and not accepted their deals, though I suppose it's a sign of improvement in the department that these players presumably have interest from elsewhere to delay signing a deal with us.
Sure I saw an interview with O'Neill at the end of last year saying he was hoping he'd get another contract at Burnley as he wanted to show them how much he'd learned in the Aussie league. SD also commented that it was aimed at toughening him up by playing against hardened professionals when he first went. Assume there was personal reasons/ bit of homesickness there too or otherwise he's have gone on loan over here.

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Post by shulgin » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:53 am

With respect to O'Neill, he doesn't appear to have set the Aussie League alight. Looked a good prospect. Hard to say but surely can't be near PL standard? Hope I'm wrong and he turns into a top player

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:43 am

Presuming Richardson is still injured at the moment?

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:02 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:43 am
Presuming Richardson is still injured at the moment?
Richardson is already under contract until 2022 so wouldn't have figured in yesterday's announcement. But he hasn't played for some time now because of injury.
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Post by ZizkovClaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:01 am

shulgin wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:53 am
With respect to O'Neill, he doesn't appear to have set the Aussie League alight. Looked a good prospect. Hard to say but surely can't be near PL standard? Hope I'm wrong and he turns into a top player
Its not going to cost a fortune to give O'Neill another contract, he wont be on more than 4 figures per week i'd imagine, so why not hang fire before cutting off our past investment.

If he isn't up to PL level, this gives us a fee for a move to Championship or L1.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:53 am

We might be making money on O'Neil in loan fees?

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Post by PWBFC » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:11 am

If O’Neill rejects the contract and signs for another English club, won’t we be due compensation? If we hadn’t offered him a deal, no compensation would apply.

No idea but could be part of the reason? I rated him whenever I saw him but hard to see him nailing down a regular spot with us at this time.

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Post by IanMcL » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:16 am

O'Neill was a very good young player and not overawed, when plunged into the thick of things.

Fingers crossed he signs and returns.

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Post by mdd2 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:06 pm

Any updates on these young 'uns offered new contracts or extensions apart from Koiki wanting to leave?

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:12 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:06 pm
Any updates on these young 'uns offered new contracts or extensions apart from Koiki wanting to leave?
Quite often they don't announce anything at all, you just have to wait and see which players are still here when the new season gets underway.

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Post by kentonclaret » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:12 pm

In Saturday's Mail, and on the opposite page to the Nick Pope interview, is a story that Mike Garlick is reportedly playing "hardball" in contract negotiations with the Academy players and reports that promising strker Max Thompson and his representatives are haggling with the club over a few hundred pounds a week.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:26 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:12 pm
In Saturday's Mail, and on the opposite page to the Nick Pope interview, is a story that Mike Garlick is reportedly playing "hardball" in contract negotiations with the Academy players and reports that promising strker Max Thompson and his representatives are haggling with the club over a few hundred pounds a week.
This is one of the problems. We have a CEO, a COO & a technical director and the chairman is getting involved in the contracts.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:34 pm

If a Premier League club are haggling over a few hundred pounds a week on a players wages, something is seriously wrong.

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Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:39 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:34 pm
If a Premier League club are haggling over a few hundred pounds a week on a players wages, something is seriously wrong.
No, Mike Garlick is haggling over a few hundred pounds...

I thought it was common knowledge we penny pinch, and every pound was vital.

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Post by bfcmik » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:19 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:34 pm
If a Premier League club are haggling over a few hundred pounds a week on a players wages, something is seriously wrong.
You think any company in the world does not haggle over every penny/cent/peso etc. that they pay their trainees or apprentices?

Mike Garlick will not be sitting down personally negotiating with these kids and their agents. He, along with the board, will have set the budget and, possibly, the pay constraints the academy managers are allowed to operate within.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:58 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:12 pm
In Saturday's Mail, and on the opposite page to the Nick Pope interview, is a story that Mike Garlick is reportedly playing "hardball" in contract negotiations with the Academy players and reports that promising strker Max Thompson and his representatives are haggling with the club over a few hundred pounds a week.
Just to point out that Thompson is under contract until the end of NEXT season.

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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:08 pm

Some of these kids should stop listening to their agents, knuckle down and see where that takes them. They don't know they're made.

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Post by rob63 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:58 pm
Just to point out that Thompson is under contract until the end of NEXT season.
That's what I thought, presume he or his agent are trying to renegotiate his contract on the basis that he's now made his Premier League debut if this story is true?

Correct me if my memory is failing me but didn't Pope & McNeil play a good few months of regular 1st team football on comparitively low wages before being offered a PL-level wage. Perhaps a lesson to be learned for Thompson here?

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Post by ecc » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:25 am

'In Saturday's Mail, and on the opposite page to the Nick Pope interview, is a story that Mike Garlick is reportedly playing "hardball" in contract negotiations with the Academy players and reports that promising strker Max Thompson and his representatives are haggling with the club over a few hundred pounds a week.'


Get the impression there's a real agenda here. I'm not saying our Chairman is right because I don't know any details but i just feel that if the traffic lights suddenly stopped working throughout Burnley tomorrow it would be Mike Garlick's fault.

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Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:35 am

ecc wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:25 am
'In Saturday's Mail, and on the opposite page to the Nick Pope interview, is a story that Mike Garlick is reportedly playing "hardball" in contract negotiations with the Academy players and reports that promising strker Max Thompson and his representatives are haggling with the club over a few hundred pounds a week.'


Get the impression there's a real agenda here. I'm not saying our Chairman is right because I don't know any details but i just feel that if the traffic lights suddenly stopped working throughout Burnley tomorrow it would be Mike Garlick's fault.
Isn't it that he has given advance warning......

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Post by Hipper » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:11 am

Wish I had been in a position to 'haggle over a few hundred pounds a week'.

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Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:54 pm

Don’t like to be a killjoy but these young lads are only around the first team at present due to unseen circumstances but good luck to them utc

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