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Andre Gray

Post by dermotdermot » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:54 pm

Watford’s fourth substitute was a fellow by the name of Andre Gray. Admittedly he was only on for ten minutes but did anyone see him do anything at all?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:56 pm

Game had gone for them by then, we were in total control.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:56 pm

No, but not really his fault. They didn't play to his potential strengths, and only threatened from set-pieces.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm

dermotdermot wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:54 pm
Watford’s fourth substitute was a fellow by the name of Andre Gray. Admittedly he was only on for ten minutes but did anyone see him do anything at all?
He didn't do anything because he didn't want to upset Sean. He's hoping to be back here next season.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm
He didn't do anything because he didn't want to upset Sean. He's hoping to be back here next season.
Gray wasn't the Watford striker Sean was speaking to at the end of the game
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:59 pm

Who?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm
Gray wasn't the Watford striker Sean was speaking to at the end of the game
I’d take both of them. But with Dyche being off I wonder where deeney is following...

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm
Gray wasn't the Watford striker Sean was speaking to at the end of the game
No, but I doubt he'll want Deeney here next year. How old is he now?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by dermotdermot » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:56 pm
Game had gone for them by then, we were in total control.
I’m not so sure about that. They had a couple of late corners and a free kick during the time he was on. Could quite easily have snatched an equaliser.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:03 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:00 pm
I’d take both of them. But with Dyche being off I wonder where deeney is following...
Sean is going nowhere.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by claretblue » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:04 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:59 pm
Who?
hoo deeney!
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:08 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:00 pm
I’d take both of them. But with Dyche being off I wonder where deeney is following...
And which strikers would you release to find space for both of them.
Deeney, maybe, but would you expect Gray to get in the team ahead of Wood, Rodriguez, Vydra and Barnes, and then Deeney?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:15 pm

Would come as absolutely no surprise if we signed Deeney this summer.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:18 pm

Gray was pretty useful if whoever's defence was pushed up a bit. With us defending deep he was hardly likely to be effective.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:22 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:08 pm
And which strikers would you release to find space for both of them.
Deeney, maybe, but would you expect Gray to get in the team ahead of Wood, Rodriguez, Vydra and Barnes, and then Deeney?
I’d stick six up front. Social distancing at the back.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:23 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:08 pm
And which strikers would you release to find space for both of them.
Deeney, maybe, but would you expect Gray to get in the team ahead of Wood, Rodriguez, Vydra and Barnes, and then Deeney?
I'd pass on both of them.

Deeney has had his day and Wood and Barnes do what he's good at anyway, but in a Burnley team.

Gray is just Vydra, but without the skill of our Czech mate.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:29 pm

Emphatic no to Andre Gray.

Normally I'd give a yes to Deeney but I think we're fine up front when the injuries subside. The time to get Deeney was back in summer 2014 when we couldn't agree a deal.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Stayingup » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:32 pm

Gray was very good for us. Bur now and again he did have the magic ball from Defour to run onto.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by shulgin » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:17 am

A Deeney Gibson exchange would be good but leaves us lacking in CB cover.
I like Deeney, seems to have overcome previous life issues. He will be a Barnes on steroids and growth hormones.
Unlikely but would be a good signing and would be great in a Dyche side.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:38 am

Troy is a good organiser but the player I'd like is Will Hughes.
His industry and tackling was good.Sating that Delafaou is class and a big miss tonight

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by superdimitri » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:41 am

Denney would be a great signing. His ability to knock on the ball is far better than the other strikers we have. His header to Welbeck was class in the first half.

Much like Barnes too, he knows how to win a free kick.

Much better to have him than Crouch!

As for Gray I think Vydra is the better player. He might not be as fast but he's a lot more clever with his runs. He has a first touch too.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by chekhov » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:50 am

I’d rather have Bathsheba than Troy (geddit?).

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by chekhov » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:56 am

superdimitri wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:41 am
Denney would be a great signing. His ability to knock on the ball is far better than the other strikers we have. His header to Welbeck was class in the first half.

Much like Barnes too, he knows how to win a free kick.

Much better to have him than Crouch!

As for Gray I think Vydra is the better player. He might not be as fast but he's a lot more clever with his runs. He has a first touch too.
Think Gray is a better finisher. I remember when we were in the Championship someone describing him as a gunslinger. I think that was a good description, he was so clinical.
Second thoughts, being clinical makes him more like a surgeon I suppose, though the image isn’t quite right.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Lord_Bob » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:01 am

No to both. Two years ago, Deeney maybe.

I was impressed today by J Rod and Vids. J. Rod especially, is just a step above the other three in terms of skill. Wood does score, but not sure he would score more than J Rod. Impressed with Vids and his running and strength, thought he was a bit lightweight, but he can hang in there.

So seems it to me we have 4 strikers we can mix and match and change things if the game dictates. No need for replacements. Deeney might be an upgrade on Barnes - maybe - but he just signed a new deal - so forget it.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:27 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:38 am
Troy is a good organiser but the player I'd like is Will Hughes.
His industry and tackling was good.Sating that Delafaou is class and a big miss tonight
Always rated Hughes at Derby. Hoped we'd have been able to sign him. Our sort of player.
He doesn't seem to have kicked on as well as I thought he might have done though.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by timshorts » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:50 am

chekhov wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:50 am
I’d rather have Bathsheba than Troy (geddit?).
If its Cory mulligan, definitely.

I suspect I'd rather deeney in the squad right now. I also wonder whether he's done his coaching badges. Dyche might be interested in him in that capacity.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by AfloatinClaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:30 am

timshorts wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:50 am
If its Cory mulligan, definitely.
I'll take the Julie Christie version then.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by chekhov » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:35 am

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:30 am
I'll take the Julie Christie version then.
That’s exactly who I was thinking of. One for the older generation!

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Burnley87 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:04 am

Wood is by a mile our best finisher at the club. If he could keep himself fit for a full season we would get 12-15 goals in our side every year

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by jedi_master » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:15 am

Dyche has wanted Deeney a long time - we bid for him a time ago (in fact, it may have been after Dyche's first promotion in 2014, unsure).

He will be 32 shortly but I could see him doing well in a Sean Dyche Burnley side - the problem is, we don't need him (unless Barnes injury is severely worrying). We have a really good mix of strikers at the club, they all offer something different.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:20 am

No to both strikers.

Deeney's strike rate isn't any better than our current lot and whilst he has other attributes that are admirable, it's not really worth signing him and dropping one of the other lads.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Tribesmen » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:51 am

Did Gray touch the ball when he came at all ?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Stayingup » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:54 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:27 am
Always rated Hughes at Derby. Hoped we'd have been able to sign him. Are sort of player.
He doesn't seem to have kicked on as well as I thought he might have done though.
Yes I would agree with your comment about Hughes, but, he might kick on as you put it at Burnley under Dyche.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rowls » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:57 am

Could see us going in for Deeney again if he becomes available.

Dyche is clearly a big fan and he would be a different kind of striker to the main four we already have.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:27 am

Stayingup wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:54 am
Yes I would agree with your comment about Hughes, but, he might kick on as you put it at Burnley under Dyche.
That's true.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by summitclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:53 am

Gibson Dawson switch?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:07 am

A Gibson Hughes/Dawson switch would be decent business

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by claretabroad » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:13 am

I expect us to do our off season shopping at the relegated clubs. Deeney isn't the player I'd target at Watford though.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Woonderbah » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:16 am

The more I see of Vydra the more I like him.
He's growing in confidence with a run in the side and he gives us another dimension when the ball's played on the floor.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Blackrod » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:22 am

Deeney is no better than our other strikers. Would I swap him for Gibson 100%.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Papabendi » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:23 am

Remember, we are likely to have to sell to balance the books. And of all the key players we have and as good as Wood is, he may be most expendable.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by MT03ALG » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:29 am

As Jedi said, we need to see the situation with Barnes who has been injured for quite some time now...

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Stalbansclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:32 am

jedi_master wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:15 am
Dyche has wanted Deeney a long time - we bid for him a time ago (in fact, it may have been after Dyche's first promotion in 2014, unsure).

He will be 32 shortly but I could see him doing well in a Sean Dyche Burnley side - the problem is, we don't need him (unless Barnes injury is severely worrying). We have a really good mix of strikers at the club, they all offer something different.
I agree that we currently have a great mix of strikers and JayRod has proved a fantastic signing...a class act. Vydra looking like he might be good enough at this level after all has been a great bonus. As for Deeney ..no thanks. Take a look at the Watford forum and you will find an overwhelming view that he is now past it and offers very little apart from good media coverage.Would have been great three or four years ago but not now. And definitely not Andre either.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:35 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:22 pm
I’d stick six up front. Social distancing at the back.
But we tried the defence social distancing bit on Monday at City and it didn't turn out all that well!

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:37 am

Papabendi wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:23 am
Remember, we are likely to have to sell to balance the books. And of all the key players we have and as good as Wood is, he may be most expendable.
swap deals at inflated prices can do wonders for the accounts - ask Barcelona and Juventus - posted about it on that other thread yesterday

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 5757330432

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by NewClaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:40 am

Strikers of any kind should not be our priority.

Love the four we have and the different qualities they bring. JRod could’ve had a hatrick last night but for the offside and a good goal one clearance. Looked dangerous, as did Vydra.

Need a right winger that can whip a cross in like Dwight and ideally more CM cover. Would 100% swap Gibson for Dawson.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:52 am

Great business when we bought him, and great business when we sold him. What more can you want in a player. Can see him in the Championship next year or with one of the promoted clubs

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:54 am

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:40 am
Would 100% swap Gibson for Dawson.
Definitely, especially as he scores a lot too, something that we have generally missed from Mee and Tarkowski despite their many other attributes.
Dawson has an impressive 38 goals in just under 320 appearances, Tarks 13 in 260, and Mee just 6 in 312.
I thought he was Watford's biggest threat last night.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:57 am

On the wages he is on, Gray will still be at Watford till the end of his contract
Nobody else will pay anywhere near his current deal
Deeney will be on good wages too but as others have said a striker is nowhere near the top of our priority list
I think Dawson turned us down some years ago which was why we did not go in for him last summer plus Watford will not let their best defender go
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:11 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:57 am
I think Dawson turned us down some years ago which was why we did not go in for him last summer plus Watford will not let their best defender go
On the basis that we are talking in the context of him being part of the deal for Gibson they might.
I doubt they can sign Gibson and retain all their CBs.

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