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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:34 am

There has been speculation all week about him leaving. A good look down the league tables and their appear to be only two clubs where the manager could possibly leave. CP, if Hodgson retires and I’ve seen no leaks on that, and Newcastle if the takeover goes ahead and Bruce is dispensed with. Pochettino has already been heavily linked with Newcastle.
I’m disregarding Villa and Watford. If they stay up the incumbent will keep his job, if relegated see below.

I can’t see him wanting to drop down a division into the dog eat dog world of the Championship. He has already proved himself there twice.

He is a progressive manager who might be tempted abroad for his own education but with the PL still regarded as the best league in the world I’d doubt it.

I’m going to sleep easy. He’ll see out the next two years with us. UTC.
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Re: SD

Post by fanzone » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:45 am

I think he will go into media and forget football management

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Re: SD

Post by yTib » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:00 am

i think he'll go into the adult film industry.
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Re: SD

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:43 am

Bournemouth of they stay up. Think Howe will leave and they would go for SD

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Re: SD

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:51 am

I can see him linking up with Keith curle at Northampton.

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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:57 am

yTib wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:00 am
i think he'll go into the adult film industry.
There will be a career vacancy there if Ron Jeremy goes down. Oops! Sorry, goes to gaol for his alleged offences.

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Re: SD

Post by andyh » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:28 am

Surely WWF or follow Vinnie Jones into film

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Re: SD

Post by gtclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:59 am

Managerial changes happen very quickly, I don't agree that he would not want the Villa job if they went down. The championship are considering suspending FFP rules and Villa gave loads of dosh. I t would be One step back and three forwards as far as he is concerned. Also I think Dyche feels that is Garlick continues with the current fiscal approach, it will be difficult to keep Burnley up next season

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Re: SD

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:10 am

I can't see SD being here at the start of next season. I think he will leave at the end of this season. I hope I'm very wrong though.

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Re: SD

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:11 am

Hodgson is only signing short term deals at Palace. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Dyche ended up there in a year or two.

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Re: SD

Post by JohnMac » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:14 am

I think there is too much assumption that we are alone in the financial dip caused by Covid. Every club has suffered and I don't see evidence to support every owner aside from ours pushing money forward to cover losses.

I would venture to suggest most will be very cautious as the future is still very uncertain.

Dyche would more than likely face the same challenges at any other club within his scope because in my opinion he isn't destined to manage at the elite level. He is good, no doubt about that but somehow I don't think his ideas suit the traditional big clubs.
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Re: SD

Post by summitclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:15 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:11 am
Hodgson is only signing short term deals at Palace. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Dyche ended up there in a year or two.
Palace must be the worst ground in the PL to get to from the north.
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Re: SD

Post by ClaretLoup » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:15 am

Sean has just been in Robbie Savage’s R5 radio show. As usual he sounded very upbeat and came out with the usual stuff about mentality, commitment etc. He successfully swerved the question about if he will still be in charge next season as well as whether Dwight will still be at TM.
However no real probing just the usual obsequious fawning from Savage. We need Laura Kuenssberg to grill him.
No mention of the banner thankfully.

If ever he quits Burnley a career in politics awaits as he has become very skilful at waffling on without giving a direct answer. He did come up with a cliche I hadn’t heard before apparently the players all “have their noses pointing in the right direction “ which is good to know.

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Re: SD

Post by Terrier » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:20 am

Nobody is bigger than than the club so the saying goes, well in my view dyche comes pretty close and sadly with what i have been reading he will go anytime a decent offer comes in
Don't forget sunderland he was taking the job until their manager did a u turn on leaving!

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Re: SD

Post by BenWickes » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:26 am

Tend to echo JohnMac's comment. I think Dyche's values, outlook and vision are one of everyone pulling together in the same direction. Club, fans and community. There's a great deal of emphasis on togetherness. I am not convinced he'd get the time at a so called 'bigger' club because they are more geared to wanting success yesterday, than building a solid foundation within the community and club for the long term.
He'd be better suited to a club of similar size and of a similar traditional community. WBA or Palace type clubs. Although as suggested. A lot of clubs will be wary of splashing the cash in these uncertain times.

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Re: SD

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:32 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:15 am
Sean has just been in Robbie Savage’s R5 radio show. As usual he sounded very upbeat and came out with the usual stuff about mentality, commitment etc. He successfully swerved the question about if he will still be in charge next season as well as whether Dwight will still be at TM.
However no real probing just the usual obsequious fawning from Savage. We need Laura Kuenssberg to grill him.
No mention of the banner thankfully.

If ever he quits Burnley a career in politics awaits as he has become very skilful at waffling on without giving a direct answer. He did come up with a cliche I hadn’t heard before apparently the players all “have their noses pointing in the right direction “ which is good to know.
Phew. I was worried some might have come back with their noses pointing in the wrong direction. Lawton’s looked out of place but it’s hard to see amongst all the facial chub these days :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good to know because nose placement issues are the last thing we need with all the banners, injuries, OOC players, MG/SD fued going on.

Out of interest, how did he swerve the next season question in relation to himself and McNeil?

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Re: SD

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:38 am

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:43 am
Bournemouth of they stay up. Think Howe will leave and they would go for SD
As Burnley did not fit Howe, the reverse is true.

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Re: SD

Post by jtv » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:54 am

Terrier wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:20 am
Don't forget sunderland he was taking the job until their manager did a u turn on leaving!
Is this a 100% certainty?

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Re: SD

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:57 am

BenWickes wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:26 am
Tend to echo JohnMac's comment. I think Dyche's values, outlook and vision are one of everyone pulling together in the same direction. Club, fans and community. There's a great deal of emphasis on togetherness.
Good points, though maybe he now feels that the club aren't pulling in the same direction after the contract renewal shambles? This is why I think he'll leave at the end of the season, even without a job offer. Hope I'm talking crap, but it's how I feel at the moment.
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Re: SD

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:57 am

I dont think Newcastle is an option mainly because of the job Bruce has done, and I don't think they would see SD as an improvement. It would take a Poccetinho to be employed for Bruce to go, or a Benitez

Clubs keen on SD would be WHU, AV and Palace.I think having been influential and in control at Burnley for 7 years WHU would be the wrong fit for him and they would whip him out after a winless run of games. AV might appeal if they stay up, but cannot see that happening. He would be a good fit at Palace and I think they would welcome the stability he gives the club-a phased intro with Roy departing eventually is something I could envisage. The journey from Kettering though is not an easy one

His ultimate dream job would be Leicester and maybe he is hoping that will come free in 18 months. They are a community club, with good compassionate owners, strong fan base and have a great team of players and within 25 miles of where he lives. It would be great locationaly too for Woan and the other main coach. I believe both are from the East Midlands. The beauty of this for clarets fans is I could not see this happen for another 18-24 months which is roughly when SD's contract runs out. Rogers is an ambitious manager and may well be tapped up if Leicester win nothing trophy wise soon.We have to appreciate we will not have him for ever. Would bet anything he will not extend his contract

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Re: SD

Post by summitclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:07 am

Forest?

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Re: SD

Post by gtclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:07 am

JohnMac wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:14 am
I think there is too much assumption that we are alone in the financial dip caused by Covid. Every club has suffered and I don't see evidence to support every owner aside from ours pushing money forward to cover losses.

I would venture to suggest most will be very cautious as the future is still very uncertain.

Dyche would more than likely face the same challenges at any other club within his scope because in my opinion he isn't destined to manage at the elite level. He is good, no doubt about that but somehow I don't think his ideas suit the traditional big clubs.
I fully understand what you are saying, all clubs are in the same boat, but some are financially supported by very rich owners who are prepared to speculate a little to help the manager acquire his transfer targets. This is not the case at Burnley leaving SD frustrated each and every year.

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Re: SD

Post by summitclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:15 am

He might be frustrated, but he gets £3m a year for his working life, or a smaller amount one assumes, if we go down. So basically a great job for life and the satisfaction of keeping us punching above our weight. Worth moving his family to the Ribble Valley or Yorkshire Dales for imo.
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Re: SD

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:16 am

It is only four words but makes such a big difference-owners who are VERY rich. Our owners may be very rich compared with Mr Average BFC fan but they are poor relations compared with the PL team owners and many in the Championship clubs.

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Re: SD

Post by Down_Rover » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:22 am

SDs next move is so important to his career.

There have been many managers who have been the bees knees for a year or two right back to Brown was he was at Hull and dozens since , the names I can’t remember ( which is my point). If he is not successful in his next job he may well join that list

Right now is not the time to gamble. His stock will rise when we finish mid table, or above, and even more if we stay up next year

If I were he the only reason I would leave is if I thought relegation was nailed on next season

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Re: SD

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:41 am

Down_Rover wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:22 am
SDs next move is so important to his career.

There have been many managers who have been the bees knees for a year or two right back to Brown was he was at Hull and dozens since , the names I can’t remember ( which is my point). If he is not successful in his next job he may well join that list

Right now is not the time to gamble. His stock will rise when we finish mid table, or above, and even more if we stay up next year

If I were he the only reason I would leave is if I thought relegation was nailed on next season
And that maybe why he could walk having been told there is precious little money for transfers other than from selling assets and if SD thinks the likes of Benson, Glennon, Goodridge Koiki and Philips (if they re-sign) are not up to it at this level.
A five year stint at this level for a club like ours where funds are limited is one hell of a feat.

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Re: SD

Post by claretblue » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:56 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:11 am
Hodgson is only signing short term deals at Palace. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Dyche ended up there in a year or two.
he might be able to help Zaha stay in his feet! :?

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Re: SD

Post by northeastclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:06 am

What really puzzles me is the timing of Dyche’s outburst.

The Chairman like all chairman is trying to manage the club during a period of unprecedented financially uncertainty.

I could understand Dyche venting his frustration several times in the past when we have had very disappointing transfer windows.

If anything the Chairman’s prudent stewardship in the past has been proved right and enabled the club to build up a contingency fund which has cushioned the current financial impact.

Dyche professes to be a student of wider business management, if he is why is he venting his frustration at this time and not more sympathetic to the clubs current financial challenge?
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Re: SD

Post by Zlatan » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:08 am

“The last time I backed a big money signing the lad went home and trained with his old club...”

Just saying...
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Re: SD

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:10 am

Just a thought, but might be frustrated because he wants to take Burnley to the next level. If he was adamant in leaving at the end of the season what would be the point of speaking out at at this juncture.
During the lockdown, SD appeared to me, very much keeping himself in the public consciousness appearing on no end of radio and TV programmes. I know our Shaun is media savvy but I felt he was possibly stretching it a bit. He also indicated that beside spending quality time with his family, he was also reflecting. To me that is the crucial word in all this. If he were to leave, maybe he may in years to come regret and thing if only. Who knows but grass is not always greener on the other side.

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Re: SD

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:11 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:08 am
“The last time I backed a big money signing the lad went home and trained with his old club...”

Just saying...
Which was paid for by previous profits on player sales and premier league money earned by the manager and players he signed


Just saying

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Re: SD

Post by AndrewJB » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:14 am

I’ve always thought he’d go to a club on the continent. I think his methods would reap rewards just about anywhere, and I think success there would give him the experience to return to the U.K. at a big club.

I hope he stays with us because I think his project here has more success in store.

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Re: SD

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:15 am

yTib wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:00 am
i think he'll go into the film industry.
Love it.

Remake of Dirty Harry

Go ahead punk... make my day ! :lol:

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Re: SD

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:24 am

Well, if he did go into that industry there would be plenty of pulling in the right direction.

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Re: SD

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:24 am

northeastclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:06 am
What really puzzles me is the timing of Dyche’s outburst.
I think the timing is perfect. We are not "skint" skint and SD knows the reality of working within our budget.

He wanted to keep Jeff Hendrick and, I suspect, Jeff wanted to stay. SD knows it will probably cost more to buy another Jeff Hendrick + wages than keep the original, and settled, Jeff. I suspect the hand of an Agent at work here.

Sean was simply making a stand for his players, and quite rightly so.

15 - Love to the Board at present but, if SD walks, then it's Game, Set and Match to him.

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Re: SD

Post by DCWat » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:31 am

I’m not sure when else he was supposed to raise it, considering the size of the squad we have and a quick turnaround into the next season.

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Re: SD

Post by summitclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:51 am

It's about where he should have raised it for me and it was not in front of the world at City etc.
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Re: SD

Post by DCWat » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:54 am

Fair point Summit. I suppose what we don’t know is how much has been said behind closed doors and for how long. It’s certainly not unusual for managers to use the media to influence decisions in the club.

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Re: SD

Post by summitclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:59 am

Too right DC. when I heard him I felt he was saying come and get me. Hope I am wrong.
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Re: SD

Post by jtv » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:21 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:59 am
Too right DC. when I heard him I felt he was saying come and get me. Hope I am wrong.
I think it was more trying to force MG's hand re Bardsley and Hendrick. He managed to get one, but not the other. Hendrick has always been a losing battle - apparently contract talks had been ongoing for quite a while.
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Re: SD

Post by Stayingup » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:09 pm

If Villa are relegated he may get a chance there. One he would telish I'm sure. Big club, near home.

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Re: SD

Post by kaptin1 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:10 pm

I think Villa would be hard to turn down even in Championship. Dyche would be confident he could get them promoted having already done it twice with us.

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Re: SD

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:15 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:09 pm
If Villa are relegated he may get a chance there. One he would telish I'm sure. Big club, near home.
My fear also.

If the right amount of cash was put on the table by the likes of Villa, he'd be silly to turn it down.

Family and Future come first but, I doubt whether he'll be able to do what he's done here at any other Club.

Villa fans won't want SD's "anti-football"

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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:20 pm

If Villa get relegated there could be a mass exodus. Grealish, McGinn, Mings, Reina, Heaton?
Total rebuild job as those guys are the team.

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Re: SD

Post by jtv » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:30 pm

Isn't there a bigger chance of him going to Villa if they retain their status?
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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:13 pm

jtv wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:30 pm
Isn't there a bigger chance of him going to Villa if they retain their status?
I’d suggest not, Smith has them playing good football. They lack a top goalscorer and like most teams that don’t score many they seem to concede one soft goal. I think they’ll give him some more dosh to try and solve his problem.

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Re: SD

Post by joey13 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:33 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:13 pm
I’d suggest not, Smith has them playing good football. They lack a top goalscorer and like most teams that don’t score many they seem to concede one soft goal. I think they’ll give him some more dosh to try and solve his problem.
In what way does Smith have Villa playing good football?

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Re: SD

Post by nyclaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:39 pm

I agree that even if Villa go down, Sean will still take that job if given assurances that he’ll have time to build a squad and bring them up.

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Re: SD

Post by Woonderbah » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:39 pm

He'll dream of following the path of other great PL managers that have left BFC.. get sacked from MLS and dabble in the Indian Super League

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Re: SD

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:45 pm

https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/b ... 04075.html

Brilliant interview. Doesn’t sound to me like he’s looking to leave, more asking the club to stretch itself to find the next level. Agree with him 100%.

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