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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:34 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:59 pm
The only clubs that have bought their way into the top 6/8 are backed by mega rich who won’t even find Burnley on the map

Many more have tried and failed

Even Leicester Wolves Sheffield Utd are work in progress. What happens next to them? Rovers in the making maybe? Bournemouth is faltering. Leeds Portsmouth Bolton to name a few tried and failed

We are where we are thru prudent management and, currently, punch above our weight. West Ham Aston Villa and Everton have spent fortunes without going to the ‘next level’

A reality check is required
who is saying push for the top 6 ? I only see people saying stay in the premier league and give Dyche as much help as possible in doing that.
Also, did you ever think you would see Burnley play in the top flight and europe anytime in the last 30 years ? I was amazed when we got into the Championship - ambition is no bad thing

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Re: Investor

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:35 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:34 pm
who is saying push for the top 6 ? I only see people saying stay in the premier league and give Dyche as much help as possible in doing that.
Also, did you ever think you would see Burnley play in the top flight and europe anytime in the last 30 years ? I was amazed when we got into the Championship - ambition is no bad thing
But where do you suggest we get the money to help Dyche keep us in this division?

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Re: Investor

Post by taio » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:37 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:34 pm
who is saying push for the top 6 ? I only see people saying stay in the premier league and give Dyche as much help as possible in doing that.
Also, did you ever think you would see Burnley play in the top flight and europe anytime in the last 30 years ? I was amazed when we got into the Championship - ambition is no bad thing
The post you replied to raised many valid points.

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Re: Investor

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:38 pm

There does seem to be a real fear about any rumoured investment! I’m pretty sure there is a middle ground from an outside party investing and doing a ‘Bradford, Portsmouth going back to the 4th division’ etc etc.

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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:45 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:35 pm
But where do you suggest we get the money to help Dyche keep us in this division?
is this thread not about an investor ?

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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:47 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:37 pm
The post you replied to raised many valid points.
indeed, hence my reply, it's a discussion ! :D

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Re: Investor

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:53 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:45 pm
is this thread not about an investor ?
Yes - although it seems that a few people are suggesting that the board should back the manager more. I’m asking how people suggest we do that. If it’s from outside investment then I’m struggling to see what said investor would get in return. It’s all very well saying we need to give Dyche the tools to work with but where are the tools going to come from?

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Re: Investor

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:53 pm
Yes - although it seems that a few people are suggesting that the board should back the manager more. I’m asking how people suggest we do that. If it’s from outside investment then I’m struggling to see what said investor would get in return. It’s all very well saying we need to give Dyche the tools to work with but where are the tools going to come from?
From relative bargains from the Championship this window, enabled by clearing out like we gave just done I assume. So why did Sean kick up such a public fuss?

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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:00 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:53 pm
Yes - although it seems that a few people are suggesting that the board should back the manager more. I’m asking how people suggest we do that. If it’s from outside investment then I’m struggling to see what said investor would get in return. It’s all very well saying we need to give Dyche the tools to work with but where are the tools going to come from?
well, if someone is interested in investing then surely that would be a pre-requisite of that ? Nixon said yesterday that he had heard about potential investors a couple of months ago (which way surpasses the articles of two years ago). There must be an interest for a reason - the in's outs and why's none of us can really comment on tbh

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Re: Investor

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:03 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:00 pm
well, if someone is interested in investing then surely that would be a pre-requisite of that ? Nixon said yesterday that he had heard about potential investors a couple of months ago (which way surpasses the articles of two years ago). There must be an interest for a reason - the in's outs and why's none of us can really comment on tbh
To be honest I take these stories with a pinch of salt. It would be nice to have a bigger transfer budget but I’m more than happy that we are currently able to dine at the top table whilst operating as a sensible and profitable business.

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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:08 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:03 pm
To be honest I take these stories with a pinch of salt. It would be nice to have a bigger transfer budget but I’m more than happy that we are currently able to dine at the top table whilst operating as a sensible and profitable business.
I would suggest that we all are !! (I hope we all are at the very least!) :D

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Re: Investor

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:10 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:34 pm
who is saying push for the top 6 ? I only see people saying stay in the premier league and give Dyche as much help as possible in doing that.
Also, did you ever think you would see Burnley play in the top flight and europe anytime in the last 30 years ? I was amazed when we got into the Championship - ambition is no bad thing
I didn’t say top 6. Have a re read.

Ambition is a bad thing if you lose the ranch. Ask fans of Portsmouth Leeds Wovers Bolton

As you say we have had the ambition to go from League Two to stay in the prem for 4 years. If it ain’t broke ..

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Re: Investor

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:15 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:10 pm
I didn’t say top 6. Have a re read.

Ambition is a bad thing if you lose the ranch. Ask fans of Portsmouth Leeds Wovers Bolton

As you say we have had the ambition to go from League Two to stay in the prem for 4 years. If it ain’t broke ..
Maybe the directors of the above four should have done a better job in their due diligence before they cashed in!

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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:17 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:10 pm
I didn’t say top 6. Have a re read.

Ambition is a bad thing if you lose the ranch. Ask fans of Portsmouth Leeds Wovers Bolton

As you say we have had the ambition to go from League Two to stay in the prem for 4 years. If it ain’t broke ..
"The only clubs that have bought their way into the top 6/8 are backed by mega rich who won’t even find Burnley on the map"

I agree with you other points to a degree. Given how well the club is run I would be astounded if they sold out to a poor investor in terms of someone wanting to change the ethos of the club. It's all conjecture and I'm confident that whatever happens the board will have the best interest of the club at the forefront of their decisions.

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Re: Investor

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:27 pm
West Ham fans have been raving about Bowen recently. Always the best player on the pitch apparently.
Not surprised. They have nothing to compare him with. They are fourth bottom and he has only played the equivalent of four games

All that money and no change in results

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Re: Investor

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:40 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:11 pm
What none of us know is just what irons Burnley may already have in the fire. We may have already targetted a replacement (At a more competitive price than Hendrick) and the stance by Sean could just have been a loyalty thing. Maybe they think Brownhill is that replacement? We has a similar situation with Tom Heaton. The board, who's first priority must always be the club as a whole, knew we had Pope, so offered Tom less than he thought he was worth. It's called good business.
Tom wasn’t out of contract.

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Re: Investor

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:48 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:17 pm
"The only clubs that have bought their way into the top 6/8 are backed by mega rich who won’t even find Burnley on the map"

I agree with you other points to a degree. Given how well the club is run I would be astounded if they sold out to a poor investor in terms of someone wanting to change the ethos of the club. It's all conjecture and I'm confident that whatever happens the board will have the best interest of the club at the forefront of their decisions.
Have a re read again

I said top 6/8. Deliberately so because we are already at the level just below that

I am pleased to see after all the criticism they receive on here that someone has confidence that the Board will be able to carry out due giligence

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Re: Investor

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:57 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:18 pm
Not surprised. They have nothing to compare him with. They are fourth bottom and he has only played the equivalent of four games

All that money and no change in results
I think they meant out of both teams. But I haven't watched and don't know who they have played.

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Re: Investor

Post by Steddyman » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:46 pm

The argument that there are lots of clubs that have had big investment and below us in the league, are invalid. There are just as many teams above us that have had big investent. One does not correlate to the other.

Also, this isn't about taking Burnley to the next level, it is about sustaining our current level. Despite our years of prudence, it appears we are teetering on the bring and will likely return a loss this year. Mike Garlick said it was going to be a battle for financia survival had the season been finished early.
We aren't going to have money to invest in replacing the players we have lost and Sean will likely leave if he thinks this lack of investment will take us down. If he can't keep us up, then nobody can.

The final argument I see is that if we had more money then we would probably waste it on expensive player like Bowen, that will underperform. Surely you realize the reason players perform for us is the mental strength and personality that Sean brings to the team. He would improve most players.

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Re: Investor

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:40 pm
Tom wasn’t out of contract.
Maybe not, but he was a year out and looking for a new deal and board played hard ball because they knew they had Pope.

Good business practice and although I liked Tom I think they did the right thing for the club.

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Telegraph article

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:51 pm

Surprised there isn't a thread about this.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... y-premier/
Has it been debunked already?....... I couldn't read the whole article.

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Re: Telegraph article

Post by Dazzler » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:55 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:51 pm
Surprised there isn't a thread about this.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... y-premier/
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48059

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Re: Telegraph article

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:55 pm

You’re in for a shock

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Re: Telegraph article

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:00 am

Down_Rover wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:55 pm
You’re in for a shock
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Re: Telegraph article

Post by Taffy on the wing » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:04 am

How disappointing!........I've been banned tha nose.

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Re: Investor

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:05 am

Pass thank you.

It will only end in tears.

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Re: Investor

Post by tim_noone » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:11 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:05 am
Pass thank you.

It will only end in tears.
Eventually......... Everything Does :cry:

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Re: Investor

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:17 am

tim_noone wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:11 am
Eventually......... Everything Does :cry:
It will be worse for a small to medium club like ours though.

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Re: Investor

Post by tim_noone » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:22 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:17 am
It will be worse for a small to medium club like ours though.
Sorry I was meaning in general...

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Re: Investor

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:24 am

tim_noone wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:22 am
Sorry I was meaning in general...
Do you need cheering up Tim lad?

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Re: Investor

Post by tim_noone » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:28 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:24 am
Do you need cheering up Tim lad?
:lol: no I'm quite cheerful... it's the frederick Nietzsche in me..... :D

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Re: Investor

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:34 am

tim_noone wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:28 am
:lol: no I'm quite cheerful... it's the frederick Nietzsche in me..... :D
Good, we've enough angst and depression on here ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeWjEYhk7Xo
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Re: Investor

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:41 am

I thin this version better matches the petulance of the recent call

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVuSYUNAekc

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Re: Investor

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:45 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:46 am
“I think we have other priorities, maybe. I don’t know if after the Coronavirus, whether the financial situation for the club will change."

“We will see at the end of this season.”

Obviously, that's someone worrying about the effects of Coronavirus on their clubs's finances, so Burnley need to be just as worried, if not more so. We can't just throw money at the team and hope it doesn't backfire on us a couple of seasons later. Gambling is NOT an option.

By the way, I've never said that we shouldn't spend any money. Quite the reverse. On another thread I pointed out that we spent nearly £40 million in one window not too long ago and I suggested that maybe we might come close to that this summer. We'll see.

By the way, the quote above was Man City manager Pep Guardiola being cautious about his transfer budget, and they are not exactly paupers with their Saudi backers.
The same Saudi backers who are in a negative oil selling war with Russia costing millions of lost income daily? Just to clarify, the Saudis are flooding the oil market to artificially lower the oil price to pennies and at times negative sales to bankrupt the Russian oligarchs....

I think they’ll be fine

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Re: Investor

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:53 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:15 pm
Maybe the directors of the above four should have done a better job in their due diligence before they cashed in!
Due diligence is great until it starts affecting the bottom line. I’ve sold companies and we’ve delivered the best deal we felt was available for our employees in the going market. Some of the new companies were not interested in running it as we did and people chose to leave because of this.

We invested our money and time, took the financial risk and deserved the best return for that. I would have no problem with Garlick and the rest doing the same.

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Re: Investor

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:00 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:15 pm
Maybe the directors of the above four should have done a better job in their due diligence before they cashed in!
The board owe us as fans, or the playing staff no loyalty beyond their contracts with the club, be that a season ticket or employment contract.

They need to provide entertainment that wants fans to renew their season ticket, or a working environment that exceeds against others I.e Premier league football, the training ground and wider facilities. That’s it.

I have the right to not renew my contract with the club annually. Players every three years or so.

Why do we as fans feel we own the club and have a right to direct it’s operations?

You don’t pay to see the Courtneers at the MEN and then feel you should tell Liam Fray what he and his band mates should play?

What’s the difference?

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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:11 am

the Courteeners couldn't pay me to go and watch them ! ;)

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Re: Investor

Post by Fretters » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:35 am

Reaching category one with the academy must be vital in terms of attracting investment. If we don't have the fanbase to compete with other north west clubs, then being able to produce our own Tarkowskis, Popes and Keanes is the way forward in terms of offering someone a decent return down the line.

Does anyone know when we can actually go for the cat one status? I know it's pretty much run as a cat one now, but is officially at level two.
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Re: Investor

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:56 am

Fretters wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:35 am
Reaching category one with the academy must be vital in terms of attracting investment. If we don't have the fanbase to compete with other north west clubs, then being able to produce our own Tarkowskis, Popes and Keanes is the way forward in terms of offering someone a decent return down the line.

Does anyone know when we can actually go for the cat one status? I know it's pretty much run as a cat one now, but is officially at level two.
great point

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Re: Investor

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:42 am

BenWickes wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:16 am
I'm no expert on finances and would hate us to sell our soul but is there some sort of happy medium? We have got where we are with a prudent board and a savvy manager and his team. I note we have no debt of real, if any note. We also cancelled our credit account before Covid-19. I'd hate us to be bought out by some billionaire and end up like so many other clubs. This pandemic will have hit many clubs. I notate even Spurs negotiated a £175 million loan with the bank of England recently, probably to cover lost income following their expenditure on their new stadium. They must be heavily reliant on ticket sales to recoup that money. Could. would it be feasible to go down that route rather than selling out to someone who has no interest in the club other than profit. Surely we'd be a viable candidate for such a loan to cover Covid losses. Possibly loosening the purse strings for squad improvement somewhat, without betting the ranch? Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome a takeover/investment, but not at the expense of pitting a hope of success against financial disaster.
I’d love us to sell our soul like Man City did, that’s the ultimate dream for me, to see us play at the very top level. Not that we’d ever be fortunate enough to attract the attention of the billionaire owners of the world but one can dream.

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Re: Investor

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:55 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:03 pm
To be honest I take these stories with a pinch of salt. It would be nice to have a bigger transfer budget but I’m more than happy that we are currently able to dine at the top table whilst operating as a sensible and profitable business.
Why are we profitable? The answer is PL income and player sales, would we be some hugely sensible profitable empire in the Championship? Garlick said if the league didn’t restart we’d have been broke by August.

Of course we are going to be posting profits if we are raking in PL TV money and selling Sam Vokes for £9M while bringing in free transfers like Crouch as replacements but transfers like those are detrimental to remaining in the PL and then we wouldn’t be a profitable business.

I don’t know how accurate Dyches figures are but £9M net spend in the market yearly is nothing at all. Where is the line between being sensible and handicapping yourself?

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Re: Investor

Post by superdimitri » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:04 am

I think producing enough talent from the acamedy be it cat 1 or 2 isn't going to yield the results we want it too. It's a much better strategy to buy and sell on like we have done mostly in the past.
Yeah you get the odd gem but you need a lot more gems to make it feasible when you're paying for all the youth setup and facilities.

To improve our performance in the division we would need to have one or two players from our youth setup challenging for places each season. That looks pretty farfetched when you think the last before McNeil was Rodriguez .

The list doesn't look too promising: https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-burnle ... erein/1132

But if we can work some magic with recruiting or pinching players from other bigger academies then maybe we will. To be able to do that though we'd need to show there's a better chance at getting a spot in our first team.. something that we don't really seem to bother doing with most of the youngsters.

I don't think relying on rejects like McNeil will always work. The vast majority that come after being let go are just not good enough.. and usually they are let go from those clubs for good reason.

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Re: Investor

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:30 am

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:55 am
Why are we profitable? The answer is PL income and player sales, would we be some hugely sensible profitable empire in the Championship? Garlick said if the league didn’t restart we’d have been broke by August.

Of course we are going to be posting profits if we are raking in PL TV money and selling Sam Vokes for £9M while bringing in free transfers like Crouch as replacements but transfers like those are detrimental to remaining in the PL and then we wouldn’t be a profitable business.

I don’t know how accurate Dyches figures are but £9M net spend in the market yearly is nothing at all. Where is the line between being sensible and handicapping yourself?
The board clearly have the line between being sensible and handicapping ourselves right don’t they. Look at our league position and our bank balance. They couldn’t have got that balance more right over the past few seasons.

If we made a net spend of £20m more per season then we’d have a marginally better squad but we’d be leaving ourselves with nothing to fall back on. We’d quickly find ourselves in trouble if relegated. Is that a risk worth taking to finish one or two positions higher in the league which brings negligible reward?
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Re: Telegraph article

Post by brexit » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:57 am

Of more concern

Nothing hurt Sean Dyche last week quite like the sight of that grim “White Lives Matter” banner circling above the Etihad Stadium shortly after Burnley had kicked off against Manchester City.

It was a reminder of much bigger challenges beyond football. But the dim reaction among his senior players to the news that Burnley could only name seven substitutes for that match, two of whom were untried goalkeepers, cut deep with Dyche in a different way.

Some wondered if the Burnley manager was simply trying to make another point to his chairman, Mike Garlick, only days after decrying the club’s hierarchy for allowing contracts to run down. Yet, as Dyche explained to his unimpressed captain, Ben Mee, this was no stunt: the players put out were the only ones he had at his disposal.

Burnley lost the game 5-0 but recovered to beat Watford three days later and, on Monday, face Crystal Palace knowing victory would move them above Arsenal into eighth and, once again, within sight of Europa League qualification. On the surface, all would appear well at a club that continues to punch considerably above its weight. Behind the scenes, though, it is a rather different story as a power struggle ensues between the two men who have done more than anyone to elevate Burnley to such heights.

Dyche and Garlick have always challenged each other but what was once one of the healthiest manager-chairman dynamics in the country has now become severely strained, and perhaps even fractured beyond repair.


Conscious Burnley - one of the oldest teams in the top flight - require regeneration and that spiralling transfer fees and better scouting elsewhere will make his frequent Harry Houdini acts in the market all the harder to repeat, Dyche has been asking the club to stretch themselves - just not to breaking point - for longer than he cares to remember.

There have been wins along the way - a new £10.5 million training centre and a once struggling category three academy that still managed to help produce winger Dwight McNeil should soon achieve category one status - but Dyche has wanted more investment, both for the short and long-term.

Garlick recognises the importance of all of that and was influential in the appointment of a technical director more than 18 months ago as Burnley sought to improve their scouting network and internal structures. But the football plan and the business plan have not, as several sources put it, “come together” as Dyche hoped and this damaging disconnect has now led to talk of the manager potentially departing this summer.

This inertia that has exasperated Dyche may be partly explained by suggestions Garlick is close to selling the club. Prospective investors have been circling and there have even been whispers among board members of a sale this summer. Dyche has lived with the rumours for some time. It was in a pre-season match last July that an opposition manager asked him if Burnley were getting sold.

Burnley's manager Sean Dyche
Burnley's manager Sean Dyche CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
For all the claims that Garlick can be guilty of micro-managing his staff - it is thought to be one of the reasons why former chief executive, David Baldwin, has left - Burnley’s majority shareholder has presided over great success during his eight years as chairman and is entitled to feel he knows how to run a club, and business.

Burnley have just posted a profit for the third consecutive year and have a model that is the envy of many. Garlick has been determined that Burnley will not go the way of neighbours Bolton Wanderers or Blackburn Rovers, whose financial troubles have been well documented.The curious thing is that there is no villain here. Yet none of that lessens the frustrations of Dyche, who has been performing minor miracles on an average annual net transfer spend of £9m.

The origins of the breakdown in his relationship with Garlick can be traced back two years to the summer of 2018. Burnley were gearing up for their first foray into Europe for 51 years after a seventh-placed finish in the league when Dyche had even had a local pub renamed in his honour.

But Dyche saw the dangers, then, of standing still. Burnley are not a club who can afford to buy four or five strong players in one window. They need to rebuild over time.

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Re: Investor

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:01 pm

Just browsed the posts on this thread, there seems to be a few who assume that outside investment automatically equates to success, i'd caution against this idea, Everton have spent 100's of millions and they're doing no better than we are, now that might change now Ancelotti has arrived, but as others have pointed out it's incredibly difficult to break into the top 6, leicester & Wolves are managing it this season, but whether both can sustain it, is up for debate, just checking the league table, and it's worth pointing out that a win tonight would put us into 8th, and above Arsenal, and only behind Spurs on GD, even with a billionaire backer, could we realistically be performing any better?

And Villa have spent loads of money down the years, and especially this season, and they're heading back to the Championship at a rate of knots, Bournemouth have the Russian money backing them, and they're heading for the same fate, and Fulham followed the same path last season, so it shows that a big wallet alone is no guarantee of success.
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Re: Investor

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:07 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:30 am
Is that a risk worth taking to finish one or two positions higher in the league which brings negligible reward?
No.

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Re: Investor

Post by bf2k » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:40 pm

Will investment really benefit Burnley with FFP? Man City, Chelsea, etc got away with the amount of money pumped in via wealthy benefactors because its balanced to how much they pull in in gate receipts, prize money and more vitally sponsorship. Burnley will never attract more than 25k fans on the ground and sponsorship is always going to be very limited. I think Bournemouth are a good example that investment for small clubs now doesn't mean success is guaranteed (and success for us is staying in the league)

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Re: Investor

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:44 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:30 am
The board clearly have the line between being sensible and handicapping ourselves right don’t they. Look at our league position and our bank balance. They couldn’t have got that balance more right over the past few seasons.

If we made a net spend of £20m more per season then we’d have a marginally better squad but we’d be leaving ourselves with nothing to fall back on. We’d quickly find ourselves in trouble if relegated. Is that a risk worth taking to finish one or two positions higher in the league which brings negligible reward?
Fair point, given our success you can’t argue the board haven’t got the balance somewhat right but Dyche doesn’t seem to agree. I’d like us to be more free in the market though, we have a massive fall back regardless with the value of Mcneil Tarkowski Pope Taylor and Wood, that is our security, the ability to sell those 5 for well over £100M.

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Re: Investor

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:49 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:44 pm
Fair point, given our success you can’t argue the board haven’t got the balance somewhat right but Dyche doesn’t seem to agree. I’d like us to be more free in the market though, we have a massive fall back regardless with the value of Mcneil Tarkowski Pope Taylor and Wood, that is our security, the ability to sell those 5 for well over £100M.
If we had to sell those five, we'd soon be propping up League 2.

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Re: Investor

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:56 pm

I don't think anyone is asking for (or expects us to get) an investor to the extent of Man City or Chelsea but just enough money to help maintain our status with the natural growth of wages and fees. It's very important that the current Directors still play a major role in running the club but without investment we won't be a Premier League club for very much longer given the current financial strain at the club.

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