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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:26 pm

Apparently BLM is not a trademark, so nothing wrong with using it as a phrase, except maybe some confusion when referring to the Black Lives Matter Movement which could be the Organization which is accused of extremism and could also refer to a popular movement of all political persuations responding to injustices they see.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Rowls » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:30 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:26 pm
Apparently BLM is not a trademark, so nothing wrong with using it as a phrase, except maybe some confusion when referring to the Black Lives Matter Movement which could be the Organization which is accused of extremism and could also refer to a popular movement of all political persuations responding to injustices they see.
Yes, becomes ambiguous when you start capitalizing it though, as the FA were doing in their press releases.

If you adopt the name, slogan, hashtags, logo and symbolic stance of a certain organisation it would certainly appear to the layman that you were fully endorsing that organisation.
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:39 pm

Rowls wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:30 pm
Yes, becomes ambiguous when you start capitalizing it though, as the FA were doing in their press releases.

If you adopt the name, slogan, hashtags, logo and symbolic stance of a certain organisation it would certainly appear to the layman that you were fully endorsing that organisation.
Yes I agree.

Ambiguous.

A modern problem with Social Media

Too much ambiguity, loss of subtle nuances.

People who employ irony often misunderstood.

And the condensed use of language making understanding each other harder.

In my mind a big part of the polarization in society.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by ksrclaret » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:46 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:00 pm
It's been successful to the extent that most PL players are non- white and many are black. That seems to have been accepted. Moreover, I think I'm right in saying that the England squad has a majority of black players. Quite successful in that respect wouldn't you say?
I’m really not sure those are the parameters by which it should be judged.

And if it is, management and coaching staff ought to show why it’s not successful enough.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Spijed » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:02 pm

Rowls wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:30 pm
Yes, becomes ambiguous when you start capitalizing it though, as the FA were doing in their press releases.

If you adopt the name, slogan, hashtags, logo and symbolic stance of a certain organisation it would certainly appear to the layman that you were fully endorsing that organisation.
I presume you'd just tell the likes of Raheem Sterling to get a grip, considering he seems to think he's unfairly targeted because of his colour.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:33 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:35 pm
Im watching and finding it equally as depressing as all the other threads where those on my list like to show their true colours.

I dont agree with everything the BLM UK organisation stands for but I agree with a damn sight more of it than i do with the current govt and especially the views of the ERG/UKIP Brexiteers

The slogan Black Lives Matters is far bigger than one organisation that uses it (many use it) and the thousands of protesters who have marched and spoke out for this cause are in no way compromised by the BLM UK views on Israel or its views on capitalism and power structures that keep the working classes in poverty

There are two problems I see with the posters on here which I find thoroughly depressing.

One is that some of the people on here are clearly racist. Racism has many levels to it so I am not accusing the majority of being overtly racist where they just hate black people or Muslims but more that they hold bias negative views solely linked to someones skin colour or religion.

The second which I think is more prevalent in this thread is that people are letting their political allegiances take precedent over their commitment and desire for equality and a less discriminatory society.

The fight against racism is very much on the same side as the fight for LGBT rights, for supporting refugees, fighting the inequalities of wealth that leaves certain parts of society cut adrift and so naturally this is going to align to more left wing politics

We should however be able to separate the politics from the fight against the racism and bigotry that exists but on here it seems some of the right wing Tory apologists / sycophants seem to just want the opportunity to have a go at the left and if that means discrediting a really powerful and much needed movement then they just dont care

Take football and its adoption of Black Lives Matters for example then why does it have to be specifically linked to one Twitter page. People have gone on about Kick It Out but clubs have been auctioning off the Black Lives Matters strips and the money has not been going to BLM UK but it has been going to the Kick It Out organisation.

BLM UK do not own the slogan and they do not represent everyone and certainly the people marching and protesting were not doing it for the BLM UK agenda. The only reason the BLM UK agenda is so in the spotlight is because the right wing people and the racists have used it to discredit the fight against racism in general. Without the spotlight that has been shone on it by the likes of those on here making out it is at the heart of everything that has gone on over the last 4 weeks then it would still be widely unknown, ignored and irrelevant (apart from the minority on the left who back it) and the slogan Black Lives Matters would signify a much wider and cultural societal change for what this was all about

Despite some of the racist filth (by the minority) pedalled on here, one of the things that gave me hope was that unlike America where racism is so linked to politics with the current Trump/republican regime I thought at least this isn't a left v right problem in this country and the majority from both sides seemed to unite and come together. The attacks seen this week has dispelled that as the fight against racism has now become a political football for the right wingers to attack the left and to attack socialist policies and that is really sad outcome.

Anyhow thats my post and you can knock it all you want cos Im not gonna waste my time arguing with people who want to just discredit what has gone on in the Black Lives Movement protests and associated statements of support. I'll just happily watch from the sidelines with the one small comfort that im just glad my life isn't as bitter and hate filled as some of you on here.

Have fun back slapping each other and reinforcing your view that you are the good guys and I hope you really believe it as its better to be innocently ignorant than knowingly ignoble
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:05 pm

Fair play to Black Lives Matter Oxford for apologizing for their use of an antisemitic mural.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/blm- ... l-1.501174

In their apology, BLM Oxford said they "absolutely do not condone the image used and have since removed it.

"We will use this time to learn from their mistakes and ensure every person who attends our events feels safe. We stand resolutely against antisemitism, and see our struggles for liberation as interconnected."

Cllr Kántor said the apology was "appreciated and accepted", stating further that "I do not think they have an issue with antisemitism, it was a case of not being aware and they have learnt from it and took action on their staff members to ensure this does not happen again.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:22 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:33 pm
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Probably still trying to justify his dumb family member joining in the protest while having no idea why they attended while backtracking at the same time.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by MACCA » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:45 pm

According to some media outlets ( and I've not checked myself yet ) Crystal Palace have become the first football club to distance themselves from the BLM organisation.

Also apparently Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp wont continue to wear the BLM badges the sky sports presenting teams have been wearing on air either.

Be interesting to see if any other teams, pundits, players or celebrities follow suit.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by bpgburn » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:40 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:45 pm
According to some media outlets ( and I've not checked myself yet ) Crystal Palace have become the first football club to distance themselves from the BLM organisation.

Also apparently Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp wont continue to wear the BLM badges the sky sports presenting teams have been wearing on air either.

Be interesting to see if any other teams, pundits, players or celebrities follow suit.
...and don't forget DA looks to have ditched the cringe Black fist salute emoji and #BLLM after every post..

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by bpgburn » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:17 pm

Don't be flattering yourself, you can count the amount of times I have mentioned, quoted or replied to you on 2 fingers, the post above yours and this one.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Jeffbfc » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:05 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:45 pm
According to some media outlets ( and I've not checked myself yet ) Crystal Palace have become the first football club to distance themselves from the BLM organisation.

Also apparently Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp wont continue to wear the BLM badges the sky sports presenting teams have been wearing on air either.

Be interesting to see if any other teams, pundits, players or celebrities follow suit.
None of the sky presenters on the Sheffield game (Redknapp is one) with BLM badges on and it's also gone from the score graphic on the tv.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by MACCA » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:30 am

Jeffbfc wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:05 pm
None of the sky presenters on the Sheffield game (Redknapp is one) with BLM badges on and it's also gone from the score graphic on the tv.

More and more distancing themselves now.

Wonder if the ones who were calling people racists for not supporting BLM, are now racist themselves 🤔🤔
Massive U turn.

I'm surprised so many dived in 2 feet first putting their name to such organisations without doing some basic research first.
It took me 5-10 minutes to trawl through the websites they have, social media accounts, read their objectives and agendas, and I'm not the brightest.
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by MACCA » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:31 am

Not sure how true this is, but a tweet on social media today...
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:38 am

LeadBelly wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:12 am
Yes, I spotted the Starmer story today, it's not been greatly reported in the main media but seems to be an important development after the recent sacking of R L-B.
After previously "taking the knee" so publicly he (yesterday morning on TV I think) distanced himself from the "defund the police" element of BLM policy. (I suspect maybe they've done some research in the lost red-wall areas and found that kneeling to people who wish to defund the police is unlikely to turn-round Labour's results there)

As per the R L-B showdown it's a move likely to improve his standing with less extreme left elements but already got flack from (of course) BLM but also some of the young /student Labour movements (who in their naivety somehow dont realize what abolishing the police will lead to (or presumably what bringing down capitalism will lead to)).

I do believe that a lot of people are, at last, coming to realize that BLM is a very Marxist/anarchist organisation (despite that being obvious right from the start to anybody who read their aims). I doubt that the BBC will realize/admit this any time soon though and will probably still be doing the BLM-worship right up to being defunded.
100% !

The charisma-free Keir Starmer, wasnt the "forensic" grand master, when it came to reading the small print of Black Lives Matters aims and objectives, before he "took the knee"

Voters in labour's former heartlands would be left bemused by the metropolitan bubble dwellers actions.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Spijed » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:15 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:38 am

Voters in labour's former heartlands would be left bemused by the metropolitan bubble dwellers actions.
And is it any wonder why supporters of other clubs think Burnley FC have the most racist fans in the country?

And by a long way too.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:17 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:38 am
100% !

The charisma-free Keir Starmer, wasnt the "forensic" grand master, when it came to reading the small print of Black Lives Matters aims and objectives, before he "took the knee"

Voters in labour's former heartlands would be left bemused by the metropolitan bubble dwellers actions.
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Caballo » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:38 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:05 pm
Fair play to Black Lives Matter Oxford for apologizing for their use of an antisemitic mural.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/blm- ... l-1.501174

In their apology, BLM Oxford said they "absolutely do not condone the image used and have since removed it.

"We will use this time to learn from their mistakes and ensure every person who attends our events feels safe. We stand resolutely against antisemitism, and see our struggles for liberation as interconnected."

Cllr Kántor said the apology was "appreciated and accepted", stating further that "I do not think they have an issue with antisemitism, it was a case of not being aware and they have learnt from it and took action on their staff members to ensure this does not happen again.
About as believable as Dominic Cummings reason for travelling to Barnard Castle.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:42 pm

Caballo wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:38 pm
About as believable as Dominic Cummings reason for travelling to Barnard Castle.
I am gullible.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Leisure » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:17 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:15 am
And is it any wonder why supporters of other clubs think Burnley FC have the most racist fans in the country?

And by a long way too.
Which other clubs supporters think that and just how many racist fans do we have? (seeing as you say that we have the most by a long way!)

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Spijed » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:27 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:17 pm
Which other clubs supporters think that and just how many racist fans do we have? (seeing as you say that we have the most by a long way!)
I picked Man City's forum, as an example:

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/thre ... 240/page-6

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:33 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:52 pm
What was “very successful” about their anti racism message ?
I haven’t heard many of the prominent black players describe it like that. If it was such a successful message do you not find it strange that black players (and white ones) have so embraced the black lives matter message ?
Initially yes that's true, without the full knowledge it's automatic to universally align yourself with something, it's only later on upon discovering certain things you didn't initially realise earlier & when that happens detachment begins & that gathers pace. It's not unusual for something new to be Vogue it soon becomes old hat when something else replaces it or discoveries emerge conflicting with what it seemed to be & wasn't .

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Leisure » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:53 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:27 pm
I picked Man City's forum, as an example:

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/thre ... 240/page-6
So you've based your statement on the posts of 3 Man City fans! Which other clubs fans think that we have the most racist fans in the country? And as you stated that we have the most by a long way, please provide evidence/numbers to support this slur!
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Bigbopper » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:56 pm

According to one of those City fans Sterling received no racist abuse but he felt it might have been???

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by MrTopTier » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:11 pm

A couple of years old in terms of data. Attached is a list of actual incidents by club. Draw your own conclusions.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... 5?mode=amp

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Damo » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:35 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:15 am
And is it any wonder why supporters of other clubs think Burnley FC have the most racist fans in the country?

And by a long way too.
Its really difficult to take modern liberals seriously when you resort to calling screaming racist whenever anyone disagrees with you.
You do the cause absolutely no favours with outbursts like this
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Bigbopper » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:05 am

With Andros Townsend now speaking out against the BLM pressure group for their political objectives should our football club now not be distancing itself from it also. Maybe some of the Trots on this board need to have a rethink and maybe apologise for some of their comment.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Leisure » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:31 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:53 pm
So you've based your statement on the posts of 3 Man City fans! Which other clubs fans think that we have the most racist fans in the country? And as you stated that we have the most by a long way, please provide evidence/numbers to support this slur!
Spijed - Still awaiting your reply.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by NRC » Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:22 pm

I’ve been absent from this forum since the PL specifically and soccer/sports generally halted in light of COVID-19. I have also stayed away from viewing the three games played since the restart, but binge-watched them yesterday.....

And my view from the USA is that I was utterly stunned to se the coordinated taking a kneee, and immediately wondered if that could remain intact over the course of nine games.

Taking a knee doesn’t fit in the U.K., not even symbolically. It was a protest against police brutality and auctioned at the playing of the US National Anthem, played before every sporting event. The U.K. doesn’t play its anthem, there isn’t a transferable context, and beyond that the controversy was regarding the sentiment of dishonoring the US military, by definition “laying down their lives” so it is deemed by many as an equivalency of the wring-doing of black deaths through police brutality.

How the PL have universally adopted this is stunningly naive to me. The protests in the US making the gesture has context, and I have personally taking a knee in such a protest, but it really is a US nuance.

I would also add reading about the hijacking of blm as an adjective clause for a political group Using it as a proper noun is nowhere near as Developed here..., the cause is very much lower case still.

As for the fist, some of you privileged white folks need to wind your necks back in. The fist was symbolic around the time of the last period of scale (rather than individual instances) white on black suppression and racism back in 1968..... and yet here we are, over fifty years later, still with the same issues. It’s ridiculous that black men die in policie incidents. It’s ridiculous that black communities don’t have the same depth of health care coverage, and as a result are massively more likely to die of COVID-19 than a white person. It is ridiculous that the overwhelming majority of the newly 25 million unemployed are black.I proudly have the black clenched fist emblem on a t-shirt because this ethnic-based crap should have died fifty years ago.

By all ,Evans join the social movement in the U.K., heaven knows international solidarity highlights the national depravity of the US but adopt it in your own vision and circumstance and U.K. relevancy, and taking a knee is not it

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Spijed » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:34 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:31 pm
Spijed - Still awaiting your reply.
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Leisure » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:45 pm

Reported/alleged. But even so, the article doesn't back up/explain your comment that fans of other clubs think we have the most racist fans in the country (except tor the 3 Man City fans you highlighted!). Also, the figures don't support your slur that we have more 'by a long way' ! So still awaiting some evidence

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Spijed » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:49 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:45 pm
Reported/alleged. But even so, the article doesn't back up/explain your comment that fans of other clubs think we have the most racist fans in the country (except tor the 3 Man City fans you highlighted!). Also, the figures don't support your slur that we have more 'by a long way' ! So still awaiting some evidence
Well because articles like that, along with the plane banner give the perception that we are.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Leisure » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:56 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:49 pm
Well because articles like that, along with the plane banner give the perception that we are.
So it's a perception! You don't actually have any evidence to support your statement/slur!

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Spijed » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:05 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:56 pm
So it's a perception! You don't actually have any evidence to support your statement/slur!
I can't be bothered to look through any more supporters forums at random, but sadly here's another one, this from Brighton. I'll leave it at that.

"However out of all the clubs in the football league they are up there as one of the ones with the biggest unresolved problems with racism. The vehement defence we saw of Jay Rodriguez was pretty troubling, and I've heard plenty about less than perfect race relations in the town."

https://www.northstandchat.com/showthre ... ht=burnley

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Leisure » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:15 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:05 pm
I can't be bothered to look through any more supporters forums at random, but sadly here's another one, this from Brighton. I'll leave it at that.

"However out of all the clubs in the football league they are up there as one of the ones with the biggest unresolved problems with racism. The vehement defence we saw of Jay Rodriguez was pretty troubling, and I've heard plenty about less than perfect race relations in the town."

https://www.northstandchat.com/showthre ... ht=burnley
So the basis for your comments/slur are 3 Man City fans and 1 Brighton. Hardly conclusive is it!
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by aggi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:23 pm

It's worth reading Ben Mee's comments on this:

“For me it is more the literal meaning rather than supporting any political movement. It’s about black lives. It’s about life, isn’t it? It’s about being human and just accepting people for who they are. Maybe in hindsight the Premier League might have released that statement before all of this — but I’m glad they’ve clarified it now.”

which is a more eloquent version of what I posted earlier.

It seems Mee has been deeply involved in the black lives matter and premier league campaign, and the decision to keep it going, which will hopefully give some reassurance to those who think that players have been railroaded into it.
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:07 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:15 pm
So the basis for your comments/slur are 3 Man City fans and 1 Brighton. Hardly conclusive is it!
Classic Spijed slim whataboutery.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:07 am

Ben Mee is a class act. His statement, above, is absolutely spot on.
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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Rowls » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:37 am

aggi wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:23 pm
It's worth reading Ben Mee's comments on this:

“For me it is more the literal meaning rather than supporting any political movement. It’s about black lives. It’s about life, isn’t it? It’s about being human and just accepting people for who they are. Maybe in hindsight the Premier League might have released that statement before all of this — but I’m glad they’ve clarified it now.”

which is a more eloquent version of what I posted earlier.

It seems Mee has been deeply involved in the black lives matter and premier league campaign, and the decision to keep it going, which will hopefully give some reassurance to those who think that players have been railroaded into it.
Ben Mee's comments are very sensible.

Ben's been very diplomatic and a credit to the club in the way he has handled himself over the matter. However, we should not expect or ask our footballers to be politicians.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Rowls » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:38 am


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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by aggi » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:20 am

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:37 am
Ben Mee's comments are very sensible.

Ben's been very diplomatic and a credit to the club in the way he has handled himself over the matter. However, we should not expect or ask our footballers to be politicians.
We shouldn't expect or ask them to but we shouldn't denigrate them if they wish to be. It's hardly a new thing, look at Robbie Fowler for instance.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Rowls » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:26 am

aggi wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:20 am
We shouldn't expect or ask them to but we shouldn't denigrate them if they wish to be. It's hardly a new thing, look at Robbie Fowler for instance.
Who has denigrated Ben Mee? Nobody to my knowledge.

Footballers are fully entitled to their own political opinions. What we should not do is expect them to reveal them and we should certainly not coerce them into all taking the stances and wearing the logos of disreputable political organisations.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by aggi » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:32 am

When's all said and done it hasn't been the huge turnaround from the premier league that some people are suggesting. The teams still took the knee, black lives matter was regularly on the hoardings, etc. It's not withdrawing support, it's just clarifying it.

Having a slogan the same as a specific campaign confused some (or gave them an excuse to try and discredit the whole thing) but I think the majority (as Mee says) were campaigning and protesting for the concept of black lives matter, not the narrow campaign.

Let's be honest, some of those crowing that they've been vindicated weren't really against specific elements of Black Lives Matter, they were against all of black lives matter. Just look at the crossover with bleating white lives matter/all lives matter even after the concept had been explained.

As for the Spectator, I struggle to give it much credibility after the Mary Wakefield farce.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Rowls » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:35 am

aggi wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:32 am
When's all said and done it hasn't been the huge turnaround from the premier league that some people are suggesting. The teams still took the knee, black lives matter was regularly on the hoardings, etc. It's not withdrawing support, it's just clarifying it.

Having a slogan the same as a specific campaign confused some (or gave them an excuse to try and discredit the whole thing) but I think the majority (as Mee says) were campaigning and protesting for the concept of black lives matter, not the narrow campaign.

Let's be honest, some of those crowing that they've been vindicated weren't really against specific elements of Black Lives Matter, they were against all of black lives matter. Just look at the crossover with bleating white lives matter/all lives matter even after the concept had been explained.

As for the Spectator, I struggle to give it much credibility after the Mary Wakefield farce.
"just clarifying it"

Hahahaha. No.

They're trying to worm out of the hole they've dug for themselves without losing face and everybody knows it.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by aggi » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:39 am

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:26 am
Who has denigrated Ben Mee? Nobody to my knowledge.

Footballers are fully entitled to their own political opinions. What we should not do is expect them to reveal them and we should certainly not coerce them into all taking the stances and wearing the logos of disreputable political organisations.
I didn't specifically say Mee, look at the stick that people like Sterling and Deeney have received. Or James McClean if you want a different example.

I don't remember you taking such a stance on the poppy shirts for some reason (and no I'm not suggesting they are a disreputable political organisation) which, much as we'd like it not to be, has become political.

This wasn't an edict from on high, the clubs and their captains have been involved throughout and they've already clarified they're not supporting the political element.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by aggi » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:40 am

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:35 am
"just clarifying it"

Hahahaha. No.

They're trying to worm out of the hole they've dug for themselves without losing face and everybody knows it.
And yet they were still incredibly visible in their support. I'm not sure how you're reconciling the two.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Rowls » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:46 am

aggi wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:40 am
And yet they were still incredibly visible in their support. I'm not sure how you're reconciling the two.
Well people can make their own minds up as to whether they FA were originally endorsing the BLM movement.

They adopted the slogan, the stance, the logo and declared they were supporting "Black Lives Matter".

They've since changed this to supporting the "Black{sic} live matter message".

People can decide for themselves.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by Rowls » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:47 am

Not to mention a number of reports leaking from the FA about how worried they are as to how they extradite themselves from the situation etc.

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Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement

Post by claretandy » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:58 am

It's a shame footballers feel cowed into taking the knee, well done the F1 drivers who didn't.
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