FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
-
- Posts: 5044
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:53 am
- Been Liked: 1473 times
- Has Liked: 633 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Apparently BLM is not a trademark, so nothing wrong with using it as a phrase, except maybe some confusion when referring to the Black Lives Matter Movement which could be the Organization which is accused of extremism and could also refer to a popular movement of all political persuations responding to injustices they see.
-
- Posts: 13163
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
- Been Liked: 5065 times
- Has Liked: 5124 times
- Location: Montpellier, France
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Yes, becomes ambiguous when you start capitalizing it though, as the FA were doing in their press releases.Caernarfon_Claret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:26 pmApparently BLM is not a trademark, so nothing wrong with using it as a phrase, except maybe some confusion when referring to the Black Lives Matter Movement which could be the Organization which is accused of extremism and could also refer to a popular movement of all political persuations responding to injustices they see.
If you adopt the name, slogan, hashtags, logo and symbolic stance of a certain organisation it would certainly appear to the layman that you were fully endorsing that organisation.
This user liked this post: bobinho
-
- Posts: 5044
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:53 am
- Been Liked: 1473 times
- Has Liked: 633 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Yes I agree.Rowls wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:30 pmYes, becomes ambiguous when you start capitalizing it though, as the FA were doing in their press releases.
If you adopt the name, slogan, hashtags, logo and symbolic stance of a certain organisation it would certainly appear to the layman that you were fully endorsing that organisation.
Ambiguous.
A modern problem with Social Media
Too much ambiguity, loss of subtle nuances.
People who employ irony often misunderstood.
And the condensed use of language making understanding each other harder.
In my mind a big part of the polarization in society.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
I’m really not sure those are the parameters by which it should be judged.Uwe Noble wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:00 pmIt's been successful to the extent that most PL players are non- white and many are black. That seems to have been accepted. Moreover, I think I'm right in saying that the England squad has a majority of black players. Quite successful in that respect wouldn't you say?
And if it is, management and coaching staff ought to show why it’s not successful enough.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
I presume you'd just tell the likes of Raheem Sterling to get a grip, considering he seems to think he's unfairly targeted because of his colour.Rowls wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:30 pmYes, becomes ambiguous when you start capitalizing it though, as the FA were doing in their press releases.
If you adopt the name, slogan, hashtags, logo and symbolic stance of a certain organisation it would certainly appear to the layman that you were fully endorsing that organisation.
-
- Posts: 3889
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:19 pm
- Been Liked: 1216 times
- Has Liked: 807 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
contender for the most triggered post of all timeDevils_Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:35 pmIm watching and finding it equally as depressing as all the other threads where those on my list like to show their true colours.
I dont agree with everything the BLM UK organisation stands for but I agree with a damn sight more of it than i do with the current govt and especially the views of the ERG/UKIP Brexiteers
The slogan Black Lives Matters is far bigger than one organisation that uses it (many use it) and the thousands of protesters who have marched and spoke out for this cause are in no way compromised by the BLM UK views on Israel or its views on capitalism and power structures that keep the working classes in poverty
There are two problems I see with the posters on here which I find thoroughly depressing.
One is that some of the people on here are clearly racist. Racism has many levels to it so I am not accusing the majority of being overtly racist where they just hate black people or Muslims but more that they hold bias negative views solely linked to someones skin colour or religion.
The second which I think is more prevalent in this thread is that people are letting their political allegiances take precedent over their commitment and desire for equality and a less discriminatory society.
The fight against racism is very much on the same side as the fight for LGBT rights, for supporting refugees, fighting the inequalities of wealth that leaves certain parts of society cut adrift and so naturally this is going to align to more left wing politics
We should however be able to separate the politics from the fight against the racism and bigotry that exists but on here it seems some of the right wing Tory apologists / sycophants seem to just want the opportunity to have a go at the left and if that means discrediting a really powerful and much needed movement then they just dont care
Take football and its adoption of Black Lives Matters for example then why does it have to be specifically linked to one Twitter page. People have gone on about Kick It Out but clubs have been auctioning off the Black Lives Matters strips and the money has not been going to BLM UK but it has been going to the Kick It Out organisation.
BLM UK do not own the slogan and they do not represent everyone and certainly the people marching and protesting were not doing it for the BLM UK agenda. The only reason the BLM UK agenda is so in the spotlight is because the right wing people and the racists have used it to discredit the fight against racism in general. Without the spotlight that has been shone on it by the likes of those on here making out it is at the heart of everything that has gone on over the last 4 weeks then it would still be widely unknown, ignored and irrelevant (apart from the minority on the left who back it) and the slogan Black Lives Matters would signify a much wider and cultural societal change for what this was all about
Despite some of the racist filth (by the minority) pedalled on here, one of the things that gave me hope was that unlike America where racism is so linked to politics with the current Trump/republican regime I thought at least this isn't a left v right problem in this country and the majority from both sides seemed to unite and come together. The attacks seen this week has dispelled that as the fight against racism has now become a political football for the right wingers to attack the left and to attack socialist policies and that is really sad outcome.
Anyhow thats my post and you can knock it all you want cos Im not gonna waste my time arguing with people who want to just discredit what has gone on in the Black Lives Movement protests and associated statements of support. I'll just happily watch from the sidelines with the one small comfort that im just glad my life isn't as bitter and hate filled as some of you on here.
Have fun back slapping each other and reinforcing your view that you are the good guys and I hope you really believe it as its better to be innocently ignorant than knowingly ignoble
-
- Posts: 5044
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:53 am
- Been Liked: 1473 times
- Has Liked: 633 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Fair play to Black Lives Matter Oxford for apologizing for their use of an antisemitic mural.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/blm- ... l-1.501174
In their apology, BLM Oxford said they "absolutely do not condone the image used and have since removed it.
"We will use this time to learn from their mistakes and ensure every person who attends our events feels safe. We stand resolutely against antisemitism, and see our struggles for liberation as interconnected."
Cllr Kántor said the apology was "appreciated and accepted", stating further that "I do not think they have an issue with antisemitism, it was a case of not being aware and they have learnt from it and took action on their staff members to ensure this does not happen again.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/blm- ... l-1.501174
In their apology, BLM Oxford said they "absolutely do not condone the image used and have since removed it.
"We will use this time to learn from their mistakes and ensure every person who attends our events feels safe. We stand resolutely against antisemitism, and see our struggles for liberation as interconnected."
Cllr Kántor said the apology was "appreciated and accepted", stating further that "I do not think they have an issue with antisemitism, it was a case of not being aware and they have learnt from it and took action on their staff members to ensure this does not happen again.
-
- Posts: 10088
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4161 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Probably still trying to justify his dumb family member joining in the protest while having no idea why they attended while backtracking at the same time.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
According to some media outlets ( and I've not checked myself yet ) Crystal Palace have become the first football club to distance themselves from the BLM organisation.
Also apparently Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp wont continue to wear the BLM badges the sky sports presenting teams have been wearing on air either.
Be interesting to see if any other teams, pundits, players or celebrities follow suit.
Also apparently Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp wont continue to wear the BLM badges the sky sports presenting teams have been wearing on air either.
Be interesting to see if any other teams, pundits, players or celebrities follow suit.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
...and don't forget DA looks to have ditched the cringe Black fist salute emoji and #BLLM after every post..MACCA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:45 pmAccording to some media outlets ( and I've not checked myself yet ) Crystal Palace have become the first football club to distance themselves from the BLM organisation.
Also apparently Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp wont continue to wear the BLM badges the sky sports presenting teams have been wearing on air either.
Be interesting to see if any other teams, pundits, players or celebrities follow suit.
-
- Posts: 12345
- Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:43 pm
- Been Liked: 5202 times
- Has Liked: 920 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Don't be flattering yourself, you can count the amount of times I have mentioned, quoted or replied to you on 2 fingers, the post above yours and this one.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
None of the sky presenters on the Sheffield game (Redknapp is one) with BLM badges on and it's also gone from the score graphic on the tv.MACCA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:45 pmAccording to some media outlets ( and I've not checked myself yet ) Crystal Palace have become the first football club to distance themselves from the BLM organisation.
Also apparently Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp wont continue to wear the BLM badges the sky sports presenting teams have been wearing on air either.
Be interesting to see if any other teams, pundits, players or celebrities follow suit.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
More and more distancing themselves now.
Wonder if the ones who were calling people racists for not supporting BLM, are now racist themselves
Massive U turn.
I'm surprised so many dived in 2 feet first putting their name to such organisations without doing some basic research first.
It took me 5-10 minutes to trawl through the websites they have, social media accounts, read their objectives and agendas, and I'm not the brightest.
Last edited by MACCA on Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
These 3 users liked this post: snapcrackleandpop bobinho Ashingtonclaret46
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Not sure how true this is, but a tweet on social media today...
- Attachments
-
- FB_IMG_1593757397214.jpg (34.32 KiB) Viewed 3499 times
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
100% !LeadBelly wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:12 amYes, I spotted the Starmer story today, it's not been greatly reported in the main media but seems to be an important development after the recent sacking of R L-B.
After previously "taking the knee" so publicly he (yesterday morning on TV I think) distanced himself from the "defund the police" element of BLM policy. (I suspect maybe they've done some research in the lost red-wall areas and found that kneeling to people who wish to defund the police is unlikely to turn-round Labour's results there)
As per the R L-B showdown it's a move likely to improve his standing with less extreme left elements but already got flack from (of course) BLM but also some of the young /student Labour movements (who in their naivety somehow dont realize what abolishing the police will lead to (or presumably what bringing down capitalism will lead to)).
I do believe that a lot of people are, at last, coming to realize that BLM is a very Marxist/anarchist organisation (despite that being obvious right from the start to anybody who read their aims). I doubt that the BBC will realize/admit this any time soon though and will probably still be doing the BLM-worship right up to being defunded.
The charisma-free Keir Starmer, wasnt the "forensic" grand master, when it came to reading the small print of Black Lives Matters aims and objectives, before he "took the knee"
Voters in labour's former heartlands would be left bemused by the metropolitan bubble dwellers actions.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
And is it any wonder why supporters of other clubs think Burnley FC have the most racist fans in the country?RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:38 am
Voters in labour's former heartlands would be left bemused by the metropolitan bubble dwellers actions.
And by a long way too.
-
- Posts: 3980
- Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:40 pm
- Been Liked: 1503 times
- Has Liked: 578 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
House!RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:38 am100% !
The charisma-free Keir Starmer, wasnt the "forensic" grand master, when it came to reading the small print of Black Lives Matters aims and objectives, before he "took the knee"
Voters in labour's former heartlands would be left bemused by the metropolitan bubble dwellers actions.
These 2 users liked this post: longsidepies evensteadiereddie
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
About as believable as Dominic Cummings reason for travelling to Barnard Castle.Caernarfon_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:05 pmFair play to Black Lives Matter Oxford for apologizing for their use of an antisemitic mural.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/blm- ... l-1.501174
In their apology, BLM Oxford said they "absolutely do not condone the image used and have since removed it.
"We will use this time to learn from their mistakes and ensure every person who attends our events feels safe. We stand resolutely against antisemitism, and see our struggles for liberation as interconnected."
Cllr Kántor said the apology was "appreciated and accepted", stating further that "I do not think they have an issue with antisemitism, it was a case of not being aware and they have learnt from it and took action on their staff members to ensure this does not happen again.
-
- Posts: 5044
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:53 am
- Been Liked: 1473 times
- Has Liked: 633 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Which other clubs supporters think that and just how many racist fans do we have? (seeing as you say that we have the most by a long way!)
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
-
- Posts: 9441
- Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:47 pm
- Been Liked: 1180 times
- Has Liked: 778 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Initially yes that's true, without the full knowledge it's automatic to universally align yourself with something, it's only later on upon discovering certain things you didn't initially realise earlier & when that happens detachment begins & that gathers pace. It's not unusual for something new to be Vogue it soon becomes old hat when something else replaces it or discoveries emerge conflicting with what it seemed to be & wasn't .TVC15 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:52 pmWhat was “very successful” about their anti racism message ?
I haven’t heard many of the prominent black players describe it like that. If it was such a successful message do you not find it strange that black players (and white ones) have so embraced the black lives matter message ?
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
So you've based your statement on the posts of 3 Man City fans! Which other clubs fans think that we have the most racist fans in the country? And as you stated that we have the most by a long way, please provide evidence/numbers to support this slur!Spijed wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:27 pmI picked Man City's forum, as an example:
https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/thre ... 240/page-6
These 6 users liked this post: Jamesy Aclaret Damo BigRedrose LeadBelly Accrington claret
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
According to one of those City fans Sterling received no racist abuse but he felt it might have been???
-
- Posts: 2927
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:20 am
- Been Liked: 1036 times
- Has Liked: 965 times
- Location: The Moon, Outer Space.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
A couple of years old in terms of data. Attached is a list of actual incidents by club. Draw your own conclusions.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... 5?mode=amp
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... 5?mode=amp
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Its really difficult to take modern liberals seriously when you resort to calling screaming racist whenever anyone disagrees with you.
You do the cause absolutely no favours with outbursts like this
These 3 users liked this post: LeadBelly Blackrod Somethingfishy
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
With Andros Townsend now speaking out against the BLM pressure group for their political objectives should our football club now not be distancing itself from it also. Maybe some of the Trots on this board need to have a rethink and maybe apologise for some of their comment.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Spijed - Still awaiting your reply.
-
- Posts: 4288
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:58 pm
- Been Liked: 908 times
- Has Liked: 107 times
- Location: Containment Area for Relocated Yankees, NC
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
I’ve been absent from this forum since the PL specifically and soccer/sports generally halted in light of COVID-19. I have also stayed away from viewing the three games played since the restart, but binge-watched them yesterday.....
And my view from the USA is that I was utterly stunned to se the coordinated taking a kneee, and immediately wondered if that could remain intact over the course of nine games.
Taking a knee doesn’t fit in the U.K., not even symbolically. It was a protest against police brutality and auctioned at the playing of the US National Anthem, played before every sporting event. The U.K. doesn’t play its anthem, there isn’t a transferable context, and beyond that the controversy was regarding the sentiment of dishonoring the US military, by definition “laying down their lives” so it is deemed by many as an equivalency of the wring-doing of black deaths through police brutality.
How the PL have universally adopted this is stunningly naive to me. The protests in the US making the gesture has context, and I have personally taking a knee in such a protest, but it really is a US nuance.
I would also add reading about the hijacking of blm as an adjective clause for a political group Using it as a proper noun is nowhere near as Developed here..., the cause is very much lower case still.
As for the fist, some of you privileged white folks need to wind your necks back in. The fist was symbolic around the time of the last period of scale (rather than individual instances) white on black suppression and racism back in 1968..... and yet here we are, over fifty years later, still with the same issues. It’s ridiculous that black men die in policie incidents. It’s ridiculous that black communities don’t have the same depth of health care coverage, and as a result are massively more likely to die of COVID-19 than a white person. It is ridiculous that the overwhelming majority of the newly 25 million unemployed are black.I proudly have the black clenched fist emblem on a t-shirt because this ethnic-based crap should have died fifty years ago.
By all ,Evans join the social movement in the U.K., heaven knows international solidarity highlights the national depravity of the US but adopt it in your own vision and circumstance and U.K. relevancy, and taking a knee is not it
And my view from the USA is that I was utterly stunned to se the coordinated taking a kneee, and immediately wondered if that could remain intact over the course of nine games.
Taking a knee doesn’t fit in the U.K., not even symbolically. It was a protest against police brutality and auctioned at the playing of the US National Anthem, played before every sporting event. The U.K. doesn’t play its anthem, there isn’t a transferable context, and beyond that the controversy was regarding the sentiment of dishonoring the US military, by definition “laying down their lives” so it is deemed by many as an equivalency of the wring-doing of black deaths through police brutality.
How the PL have universally adopted this is stunningly naive to me. The protests in the US making the gesture has context, and I have personally taking a knee in such a protest, but it really is a US nuance.
I would also add reading about the hijacking of blm as an adjective clause for a political group Using it as a proper noun is nowhere near as Developed here..., the cause is very much lower case still.
As for the fist, some of you privileged white folks need to wind your necks back in. The fist was symbolic around the time of the last period of scale (rather than individual instances) white on black suppression and racism back in 1968..... and yet here we are, over fifty years later, still with the same issues. It’s ridiculous that black men die in policie incidents. It’s ridiculous that black communities don’t have the same depth of health care coverage, and as a result are massively more likely to die of COVID-19 than a white person. It is ridiculous that the overwhelming majority of the newly 25 million unemployed are black.I proudly have the black clenched fist emblem on a t-shirt because this ethnic-based crap should have died fifty years ago.
By all ,Evans join the social movement in the U.K., heaven knows international solidarity highlights the national depravity of the US but adopt it in your own vision and circumstance and U.K. relevancy, and taking a knee is not it
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Reported/alleged. But even so, the article doesn't back up/explain your comment that fans of other clubs think we have the most racist fans in the country (except tor the 3 Man City fans you highlighted!). Also, the figures don't support your slur that we have more 'by a long way' ! So still awaiting some evidence
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Well because articles like that, along with the plane banner give the perception that we are.Leisure wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:45 pmReported/alleged. But even so, the article doesn't back up/explain your comment that fans of other clubs think we have the most racist fans in the country (except tor the 3 Man City fans you highlighted!). Also, the figures don't support your slur that we have more 'by a long way' ! So still awaiting some evidence
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
I can't be bothered to look through any more supporters forums at random, but sadly here's another one, this from Brighton. I'll leave it at that.
"However out of all the clubs in the football league they are up there as one of the ones with the biggest unresolved problems with racism. The vehement defence we saw of Jay Rodriguez was pretty troubling, and I've heard plenty about less than perfect race relations in the town."
https://www.northstandchat.com/showthre ... ht=burnley
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
So the basis for your comments/slur are 3 Man City fans and 1 Brighton. Hardly conclusive is it!Spijed wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:05 pmI can't be bothered to look through any more supporters forums at random, but sadly here's another one, this from Brighton. I'll leave it at that.
"However out of all the clubs in the football league they are up there as one of the ones with the biggest unresolved problems with racism. The vehement defence we saw of Jay Rodriguez was pretty troubling, and I've heard plenty about less than perfect race relations in the town."
https://www.northstandchat.com/showthre ... ht=burnley
This user liked this post: Damo
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
It's worth reading Ben Mee's comments on this:
“For me it is more the literal meaning rather than supporting any political movement. It’s about black lives. It’s about life, isn’t it? It’s about being human and just accepting people for who they are. Maybe in hindsight the Premier League might have released that statement before all of this — but I’m glad they’ve clarified it now.”
which is a more eloquent version of what I posted earlier.
It seems Mee has been deeply involved in the black lives matter and premier league campaign, and the decision to keep it going, which will hopefully give some reassurance to those who think that players have been railroaded into it.
“For me it is more the literal meaning rather than supporting any political movement. It’s about black lives. It’s about life, isn’t it? It’s about being human and just accepting people for who they are. Maybe in hindsight the Premier League might have released that statement before all of this — but I’m glad they’ve clarified it now.”
which is a more eloquent version of what I posted earlier.
It seems Mee has been deeply involved in the black lives matter and premier league campaign, and the decision to keep it going, which will hopefully give some reassurance to those who think that players have been railroaded into it.
This user liked this post: evensteadiereddie
-
- Posts: 10948
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:38 am
- Been Liked: 5154 times
- Has Liked: 795 times
- Location: On top of a pink elephant riding to the Democratic Republic of Congo
-
- Posts: 9585
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:45 pm
- Been Liked: 3146 times
- Has Liked: 10202 times
- Location: Staffordshire
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Ben Mee is a class act. His statement, above, is absolutely spot on.
This user liked this post: Bosscat
-
- Posts: 13163
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
- Been Liked: 5065 times
- Has Liked: 5124 times
- Location: Montpellier, France
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Ben Mee's comments are very sensible.aggi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:23 pmIt's worth reading Ben Mee's comments on this:
“For me it is more the literal meaning rather than supporting any political movement. It’s about black lives. It’s about life, isn’t it? It’s about being human and just accepting people for who they are. Maybe in hindsight the Premier League might have released that statement before all of this — but I’m glad they’ve clarified it now.”
which is a more eloquent version of what I posted earlier.
It seems Mee has been deeply involved in the black lives matter and premier league campaign, and the decision to keep it going, which will hopefully give some reassurance to those who think that players have been railroaded into it.
Ben's been very diplomatic and a credit to the club in the way he has handled himself over the matter. However, we should not expect or ask our footballers to be politicians.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
We shouldn't expect or ask them to but we shouldn't denigrate them if they wish to be. It's hardly a new thing, look at Robbie Fowler for instance.
-
- Posts: 13163
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
- Been Liked: 5065 times
- Has Liked: 5124 times
- Location: Montpellier, France
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Who has denigrated Ben Mee? Nobody to my knowledge.
Footballers are fully entitled to their own political opinions. What we should not do is expect them to reveal them and we should certainly not coerce them into all taking the stances and wearing the logos of disreputable political organisations.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
When's all said and done it hasn't been the huge turnaround from the premier league that some people are suggesting. The teams still took the knee, black lives matter was regularly on the hoardings, etc. It's not withdrawing support, it's just clarifying it.
Having a slogan the same as a specific campaign confused some (or gave them an excuse to try and discredit the whole thing) but I think the majority (as Mee says) were campaigning and protesting for the concept of black lives matter, not the narrow campaign.
Let's be honest, some of those crowing that they've been vindicated weren't really against specific elements of Black Lives Matter, they were against all of black lives matter. Just look at the crossover with bleating white lives matter/all lives matter even after the concept had been explained.
As for the Spectator, I struggle to give it much credibility after the Mary Wakefield farce.
-
- Posts: 13163
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
- Been Liked: 5065 times
- Has Liked: 5124 times
- Location: Montpellier, France
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
"just clarifying it"aggi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:32 amWhen's all said and done it hasn't been the huge turnaround from the premier league that some people are suggesting. The teams still took the knee, black lives matter was regularly on the hoardings, etc. It's not withdrawing support, it's just clarifying it.
Having a slogan the same as a specific campaign confused some (or gave them an excuse to try and discredit the whole thing) but I think the majority (as Mee says) were campaigning and protesting for the concept of black lives matter, not the narrow campaign.
Let's be honest, some of those crowing that they've been vindicated weren't really against specific elements of Black Lives Matter, they were against all of black lives matter. Just look at the crossover with bleating white lives matter/all lives matter even after the concept had been explained.
As for the Spectator, I struggle to give it much credibility after the Mary Wakefield farce.
Hahahaha. No.
They're trying to worm out of the hole they've dug for themselves without losing face and everybody knows it.
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
I didn't specifically say Mee, look at the stick that people like Sterling and Deeney have received. Or James McClean if you want a different example.Rowls wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:26 amWho has denigrated Ben Mee? Nobody to my knowledge.
Footballers are fully entitled to their own political opinions. What we should not do is expect them to reveal them and we should certainly not coerce them into all taking the stances and wearing the logos of disreputable political organisations.
I don't remember you taking such a stance on the poppy shirts for some reason (and no I'm not suggesting they are a disreputable political organisation) which, much as we'd like it not to be, has become political.
This wasn't an edict from on high, the clubs and their captains have been involved throughout and they've already clarified they're not supporting the political element.
-
- Posts: 13163
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
- Been Liked: 5065 times
- Has Liked: 5124 times
- Location: Montpellier, France
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Well people can make their own minds up as to whether they FA were originally endorsing the BLM movement.
They adopted the slogan, the stance, the logo and declared they were supporting "Black Lives Matter".
They've since changed this to supporting the "Black{sic} live matter message".
People can decide for themselves.
-
- Posts: 13163
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
- Been Liked: 5065 times
- Has Liked: 5124 times
- Location: Montpellier, France
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
Not to mention a number of reports leaking from the FA about how worried they are as to how they extradite themselves from the situation etc.
-
- Posts: 4751
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
- Been Liked: 953 times
- Has Liked: 238 times
Re: FA Distance Themselves From BLM Movement
It's a shame footballers feel cowed into taking the knee, well done the F1 drivers who didn't.
- Attachments
-
- NINTCHDBPICT000593717308.jpg (698.5 KiB) Viewed 2418 times
These 2 users liked this post: BennyD Rowls