Wigan

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:00 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:57 pm
So, as it stands now Wigan would not be relegated even with a 12 point deduction . But would they start next season in the Championship at -12?

Yes, they would ! If they'd have been relegated without the -12 this season, they'd have started next season in League 1, with -12 as well !

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:04 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:57 pm
So, as it stands now Wigan would not be relegated even with a 12 point deduction . But would they start next season in the Championship at -12?

But would they start next season in the Championship at -12?

If they did, playing like this, they'ed win the title by Easter.

ChrisG · Post by **ChrisG** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:05 pm

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:00 pm
Yes, they would ! If they'd have been relegated without the -12 this season, they'd have started next season in League 1, with -12 as well !

This says that if they finish outside the bottom 3 then it applies this season, of they go down anyway it's next season.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... l/53247333

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:08 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:56 pm
It's not full time yet. They've time to pull it back.

It's just one try and a conversion

ChrisG · Post by **ChrisG** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:28 pm

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:29 pm

8 now.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:35 pm

Phew

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:36 pm

I'm predicting a nine each draw!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:42 pm

Isn’t this thread to discuss the situation at Wigan with the admin? There’s another thread for tonight’s games.

ChrisG · Post by **ChrisG** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:42 pm
Isn’t this thread to discuss the situation at Wigan with the admin? There’s another thread for tonight’s games.

It is, but given the opposition, then the swing in goal difference could be pertinent to their survival chances should they be level on points.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:53 pm

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:56 pm
As has been alluded to on this thread those who crave foreign owners need a reality check. Just think why would somebody want to pump millions into Burnley year in year out with no return ? Id sooner be in the championship owned by Clarets then have one season in the sun and then to be sold like a second hand car.

but surely that means you'll forever settle for the championship doesn't it, and then rely on whatever resources are available can sustain a capable team in that division given the financial clout of some of the teams in that division .

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:22 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:53 pm
but surely that means you'll forever settle for the championship doesn't it, and then rely on whatever resources are available can sustain a capable team in that division given the financial clout of some of the teams in that division .

Bit similar to now then.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:29 pm

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:22 pm
Bit similar to now then.

How is it similar to now? In the PL you get massive TV revenues and worldwide exposure. In the championship you create your own revenue and given how the market has moved even in the past 5 years it wouldn't be long until we were yoyoing between L1 and championship. If you start settling for championship football there is only one way your club is heading. We should be striving to be the best we can possibly be and maximize any chance we have of success while we can.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:40 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:29 pm
How is it similar to now? In the PL you get massive TV revenues and worldwide exposure. In the championship you create your own revenue and given how the market has moved even in the past 5 years it wouldn't be long until we were yoyoing between L1 and championship. If you start settling for championship football there is only one way your club is heading. We should be striving to be the best we can possibly be and maximize any chance we have of success while we can.

It was ironic. We are owned by Clarets and doing well in the Prem.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:38 am

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:22 pm
Bit similar to now then.

no...we are marching to Europe....again.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:41 am

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:04 pm
But would they start next season in the Championship at -12?

If they did, playing like this, they'ed win the title by Easter.

If Wigan finish in the bottom 3 after 46 games then the -12 deduction will be for next season in League One, if they finish out of the bottom 3 then the -12 deduction will be this season, basically now Wigan's aim is to finish 12 points above 22nd as even with 12 point deduction their goal difference should see them survive if on the same points as 22nd.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:45 am

claretburns wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:41 am
If Wigan finish in the bottom 3 after 46 games then the -12 deduction will be for next season in League One, if they finish out of the bottom 3 then the -12 deduction will be this season, basically now Wigan's aim is to finish 12 points above 22nd as even with 12 point deduction their goal difference should see them survive if on the same points as 22nd.

Yes, I know.

I was quoting Conroysleftfoot but I forgot to add quotation marks.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:14 am

Championship clubs Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday look as though they will avoid relegation this season but could instead face a points deduction ahead of the 2020-21 campaign.

The Latics are set to be deducted 12 points after going into administration, while the Owls could face a maximum of a huge 21 point loss after being accused of an aggravated breach of the EFL's profit and sustainability rules.
With Wigan sitting in 13th place in the Championship and ten points clear of the relegation zone and Wednesday 16th and eight points clear with one game to play, were the sanctions to be imposed this season it would definitely see Wednesday relegated and most probably Wigan too.
But according to the Daily Mail, due to the fact both clubs would have the right to appeal against the decision the amount of time needed to complete the proceedings would likely not be sufficient before the start of next season, meaning it is expected the sanctions will be imposed then instead.

It means Wigan should find Wednesday's game against Fulham less stressful than it could have been, with them having needed a win to have a chance of staying in the division if the points deduction counted towards this season.
A statement from the EFL on Monday evening confirmed Wigan's punishment, and read: "In the specific case of Wednesday evening’s final round of Championship matches for season 2019/20, and any potential impact on divisional standings, relegation will be confirmed for the Clubs in 22, 23 and 24 positions in the Championship table following the conclusion of those matches and will be subject to the resolution of any ongoing proceedings.

"In the case of Wigan Athletic the 12-point sporting sanction, as a result of the Club entering administration, will apply immediately following the end of the game against Fulham but is subject to appeal."

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:29 am

In regards to Sheff Wed, what's an aggravated breach all about?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:58 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:29 am
In regards to Sheff Wed, what's an aggravated breach all about?

IDK but they've had money issues for a while now.

Probably somewhat related to the stadium at a guesshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53362999

Their players have finally been paid their outstanding wages after the June payments were late, not my idea of how to run a club.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:45 pm

More interesting/disturbing (take your pick) background on the the Wigan owner

https://twitter.com/RobboHarry/status/1 ... 0721078273

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:48 pm

I won't lose any sleep on Sheffield Wednesday dropping down a divsion or 6.

Nice to see Hull rock bottom too.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:58 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:45 pm
More interesting/disturbing (take your pick) background on the the Wigan owner

https://twitter.com/RobboHarry/status/1 ... 0721078273

Wow.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:57 pm

Crazy, outlaying all that money buying a football club - all that time, effort, professional fee's hiring lawyers and accountants - just to win a bet

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:38 pm
I think the main problem with Jack Walker was that he was the only football fan in the family, from all that's been in the papers, etc.
When he died, interest lapsed.

The Walker Trust seems to have been a bit of a disaster for them.

Interestingly, his brother supported Burnley... and was hoping to one day do the same for Burnley, but in the event he died before they hit the mega bucks Walker became. My uncle (also long past) was schoolmates with them and kept in regular contact with them until at least the late seventies. This part I know first hand as we all once went for a meal at his farm in Blackburn before he moved.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:38 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:45 pm
More interesting/disturbing (take your pick) background on the the Wigan owner

https://twitter.com/RobboHarry/status/1 ... 0721078273

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How he comes across, but it is an interesting read.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:40 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:38 pm
CouncilEmailConspiracy-250x250.jpg

How he comes across, but it is an interesting read.

so much stuff coming out around Wigan feels like that to be honest

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:48 pm

Administrators announced that there was a very clear preferred bidder this morning and said they had bounced back all offers from Property developers

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/footba ... ed-2920755

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:27 am

relegated!

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:35 am

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:27 am
relegated!

unless the appeal wins a reprieve - only need a couple of points reduced from the punishment - EFL lose so many cases these days

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:45 am

And then Barnsley will appeal.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:57 am

said the other day in the MMT thread it has been a bonanza year for football lawyers

still awaiting the outcome of the Sheffield Wednesday and Derby hearings too - though they are not looking too good for the EFL either

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:58 am

Wigan are in danger of being let down by the EFL muppets
The EFL were guilty of no exercising due diligence when one group of speculators sold the club to another
They should have seen the danger signs

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:41 am

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:57 am
said the other day in the MMT thread it has been a bonanza year for football lawyers

still awaiting the outcome of the Sheffield Wednesday and Derby hearings too - though they are not looking too good for the EFL either

Forgot all about Derby and Wednesday in all this and Macclesfield apparently. What a mess!

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:16 am

It goes to show what a pathetic car crash of an organisation the EFL is. How TF has it come to this with teams still not knowing if they've stayed up or gone down after the season has finished. They've fu$ked this situation up so much its quite staggering really

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:24 am

RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:45 am
And then Barnsley will appeal.

Yup, and understandably. Admin is -12pts, that's been understood for a while.

If the EFL lose this one, then we may as well play a season out in the courtroom instead of on the pitch.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:37 pm

Well that did not take long after relegation was all but confirmed - the preferred bidder pulls out of talks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53530653

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 pm

Paul Cook leaves Wigan

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... 7QiaE6AZOg

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:49 am

The Bristol job could be ideal for Cookie
It's a club with potential and a good crop of talent
They started well last year and look a good bet for promotion

rufus lumley · Post by **rufus lumley** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:00 am

Watch this space !.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:01 am

rufus lumley wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:00 am
Watch this space !.

Dyche to Wigan ?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:12 am

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 pm
Paul Cook leaves Wigan

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... 7QiaE6AZOg

and The Times report:

Paul Cook resigns as Wigan manager following relegation from Championship

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/60ac ... e1c51db8a9

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:21 am

Quite staggering reading about Wigan’s demise and ownership issues ,literally passed around like a cheap tart almost beggars belief . I take it now they had their 12pt deduction they start with a clean slate in div 1 ?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:27 am

The EFL seem breathtakingly inept ( or blinded by ££?) when it comes to ownership . The champ is still presumably still the 6th richest league in the world ?which no doubt attracts a similar amount of shysters ,dreamers ,egomaniacs and the down right criminal as the Prem.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:30 am

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:21 am
Quite staggering reading about Wigan’s demise and ownership issues ,literally passed around like a cheap tart almost beggars belief . I take it now they had their 12pt deduction they start with a clean slate in div 1 ?

Yes, unless for some unexpected reason they get some additional penalty for something else, but their punishment for entering admin will have been applied and completed.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:30 am

If Dyche was to go, Cook would be my first choice to replace him.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:36 am

lucs86 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:30 am
If Dyche was to go, Cook would be my first choice to replace him.

Pretty much the same hoarse voice, so would be an easy transition for the players

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:13 am

lucs86 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:30 am
If Dyche was to go, Cook would be my first choice to replace him.

Why? He had a Championship team at the bottom of the league at Christmas. Remarkable turnaround but nothing there to suggest he's a Premier League manager in waiting.

Longsidelenny1882 · Post by **Longsidelenny1882** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:20 am

I am with lucs86 all day long about cook utc

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:10 pm

Wigan's always invested well in their academy and it's provided quite successful. At present they seem to be having something of a fire sale and one player in particular who i'd hope we are interested in is Joe Geldhart. Very highly rated by supporters in this area.