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Guardian article on Dyche

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:49 pm

Actually, I don't think that's a bad assesment of the situation .

Personally, I still think he'll be here next season, whether we qualify for Europe or not.

I'm sure that by now he will have been given certain assurances and recent performances by the team don't suggest discontent.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by MT03ALG » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm

How much is Sean paid at Burnley ? £10 million ?

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:02 pm

About right.

Now the dust has settled over extended contracts, past June, the conversation should very much be on incoming replacements and extending other players whi have entered that dodgy period, where they start thinking of letting their contract run down.

All fingers crossed that the Chairman can satisfy the needs of the club and manager and retain fan support, with or without Mr Rigg.

The essential ingredient is that the manager decides whether it is a yes or no, not a would be statistician.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Nonayforever » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:04 pm

I think any one of the fans on this board could have written that article.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:08 pm

Key Summer ahead of us. THE most important task for the club is to ensure that when season 20/21 finally gets under way, sat in our dug out is a gravel voiced gentleman with shaved head and ginger goatee.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:10 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:04 pm
I think any one of the fans on this board could have written that article.
Smack to me of an article compiled after reading websites and social media, even down to the signs outside the pub.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:12 pm

Not a bad assessment. However, why are people so bothered about the end of this season? It's not that important and would be a minor issue without our injuries. Maybe Sean is manipulating the situation to either leave or get a better deal with us?

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:15 pm

These problems have been going on for the last 5 windows - the planning and policy has been bad.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:16 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:02 pm
About right.

Now the dust has settled over extended contracts, past June, the conversation should very much be on incoming replacements and extending other players whi have entered that dodgy period, where they start thinking of letting their contract run down.

All fingers crossed that the Chairman can satisfy the needs of the club and manager and retain fan support, with or without Mr Rigg.

The essential ingredient is that the manager decides whether it is a yes or no, not a would be statistician.
I wish people would stop blaming Mr Rigg for all this without evidence he's failed in his job. He may well have identified lots of players and put those names to the club, but it's not his decision to sign them, or sign the cheques.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Spike » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:17 pm

No news in that article at all only rumours we’ve already heard.

Maybe if you wanted to call it news it would be either last weeks or fake news

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Blackrod » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:39 pm

Fair article. Dyche and Burnley are just a good fit. The best scenario is for Garlick and Dyche to come to some sort of agreement. Without spending large sums it’s difficult to see who will do better at the current time.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Spijed » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:45 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:15 pm
These problems have been going on for the last 5 windows - the planning and policy has been bad.
How has it been bad considering where we are in the Premier league?

The only clubs above us are those that have many millions to spend.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:48 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:45 pm
How has it been bad considering where we are in the Premier league?
There's probably 80 other clubs in the country wondering how the hell we do what we're doing.

Then some Burnley fans who reckon we're doing it wrong.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Goobs » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:55 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:48 pm
There's probably 80 other clubs in the country wondering how the hell we do what we're doing.

Then some Burnley fans who reckon we're doing it wrong.
Yeah but ambition and erm something to do with buying world beating unheard of foreign players at low prices.

It's narrow-minded, small time fans like you who have probably never played football manager which is why we are in the terrible position we are now and are probably the laughing stock of English Football! 😉
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Leisure » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:56 pm

MT03ALG wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm
How much is Sean paid at Burnley ? £10 million ?
I read somewhere the other day that it was £3.5m but don't know if that is correct.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:45 pm
How has it been bad considering where we are in the Premier league?
Yep. I bet West Ham (among others) wished they'd planned as badly as we have.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:14 pm

The problem Dyche has is that he and Burnley have a perfect fit that may not work elsewhere. As pointed out in the article most clubs already in the PL want a flair foreign manager with trophies on his CV. He would effectively become another Allardyce or Pulis, saving clubs from relegation or gaining promotion from the Championship, once completed he would then be dumped and replaced with more spectacular managers.

I just hope that they can all kiss and make up before the next season.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by theboydonegood » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:19 pm

In fairness to the board - how many "real" businesses would sign a load of contracts to pay people shed loads of money when there is a fair chance the next years income could be £0 because there is a pandemic going on?

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by LordBob » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:24 pm

"unfamiliarity with elite players and super agents" as stated in the article that I think would be a stumbling block, that seems to be a problem with Eddie Howe and the bigger signings.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:33 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:45 pm
How has it been bad considering where we are in the Premier league?

The only clubs above us are those that have many millions to spend.
There's a fair few below us who've also spent millions, we must be doing something right given we're on course for a top 10 PL finish.

Obviously this upcoming window is crucial to our continued time at the top table, but if we shop wisely there should be plenty of bargains available.

Regarding our ooc players next summer, if my info's correct, then Bardsley, Brady, Cork, JBG, Long, Lowton & Westwood are free agents next summer, out of those i'd definitely be looking to keep Cork, Long, & Westwood, Bardsley & Lowton are maybe's right now, due to age and form, Brady and JBG can go for me their injury problems aren't easing, and we can't afford to carry any more deadwood.

Jay Rod, Mee, Pieters & Vydra are ooc next summer, but we have the option of another year on all of those, so their situation isn't as urgent.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:36 pm

It's not Howe and Dyche that are the problem. It's so called super agents and the elite players expectations. If I could earn £3.5m a year without having to be in the world of that lot, I would be very happy indeed.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by dsr » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:01 pm

Burnley must have taken in about £700m in Dyche's time here, and in that time have spent all but about £40m of it. If he has been fighting with one hand behind his back, it isn't the Board's fault - they have spent all they reasonably could.

As a comparative, Bournemouth's wage bill is £25m higher than ours, and their squad cost about £150m higher. They owe their unhappy owner £110m and I think he wants it back. they owe other clubs, as at June 2019, £90m, and £50m of that due in more than one year - ie. they still owe it. They have borrowed £16m against future sale of players. They don't own their ground (paying rent of I believe £4.5m per year, having risen from £3.5m) and they haven't significantly upgraded the training ground.

Compare that with us.

Dyche's problem if he moves - and that article suggests, probably correctly, that Villa is the only realistic option - is that if Villa go down he will have one year only to get them back up, and if they don't go down he will have perhaps 18 months to get them in the top half. But he won't have his own players, and he almost certainly won't have Grealish. When he moved into Burnley he was lucky to inherit a squad of grafters. Underachieving grafters, but players with potential and players who would put in the effort. He added some more skilful grafters and hey presto. Brilliant.

How would he be moving into Villa and inheriting a team of non-grafters? Grealish grafts, but he'll be gone. Villa have spent a lot of money on a bunch of players who might - I only say might - sulk when they get the Dyche approach to management. And if the players down tools, it's the manager who gets the sack.

Wheras at Burnley, even with the departures, we have a very good squad of 17 or so and the chance to sign a few more good young 'uns from lower down the leages; plus possibly one or two from our own development squad, I wouldn't know. All signed with and/or trained up to the Dyche work ethic.

I don't know how unhappy Dyche is, or how seriously he wants to leave, but he needs to be very careful what he wishes for.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:19 pm

excellent post DSR

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Stayingup » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:32 pm

Its similar to other articles I have read, but later of course.

I have said before that if he goes it will be to Villa, because its a bigger club and for expediency. Villa have come out and said they back Smith till the end of the season. One thing though would Villa want Sean Dyche?

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:57 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:45 pm
How has it been bad considering where we are in the Premier league?

The only clubs above us are those that have many millions to spend.
We have an old squad and this summer will need 5 or 6 and which some should have been brought in earlier.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by nyclaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:59 pm

If Dyche were to go to Villa it could seem logical for Smith to replace Dyche here?

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by SammyBoy » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:02 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:01 pm
Burnley must have taken in about £700m in Dyche's time here, and in that time have spent all but about £40m of it. If he has been fighting with one hand behind his back, it isn't the Board's fault - they have spent all they reasonably could.

As a comparative, Bournemouth's wage bill is £25m higher than ours, and their squad cost about £150m higher. They owe their unhappy owner £110m and I think he wants it back. they owe other clubs, as at June 2019, £90m, and £50m of that due in more than one year - ie. they still owe it. They have borrowed £16m against future sale of players. They don't own their ground (paying rent of I believe £4.5m per year, having risen from £3.5m) and they haven't significantly upgraded the training ground.

Compare that with us.

Dyche's problem if he moves - and that article suggests, probably correctly, that Villa is the only realistic option - is that if Villa go down he will have one year only to get them back up, and if they don't go down he will have perhaps 18 months to get them in the top half. But he won't have his own players, and he almost certainly won't have Grealish. When he moved into Burnley he was lucky to inherit a squad of grafters. Underachieving grafters, but players with potential and players who would put in the effort. He added some more skilful grafters and hey presto. Brilliant.

How would he be moving into Villa and inheriting a team of non-grafters? Grealish grafts, but he'll be gone. Villa have spent a lot of money on a bunch of players who might - I only say might - sulk when they get the Dyche approach to management. And if the players down tools, it's the manager who gets the sack.

Wheras at Burnley, even with the departures, we have a very good squad of 17 or so and the chance to sign a few more good young 'uns from lower down the leages; plus possibly one or two from our own development squad, I wouldn't know. All signed with and/or trained up to the Dyche work ethic.

I don't know how unhappy Dyche is, or how seriously he wants to leave, but he needs to be very careful what he wishes for.
Great post, Dyche has really built something here that he can be proud of and will be able to look back on fondly in years to come as a club legend. He's paid well, has the run of the place and he does get backing in the transfer windows even though it's probably not to the extent he'd ideally want. Is it worth gambling that by moving to a bigger club, the likes of which we know are notoriously fickle and don't hesitate to pot managers for a myriad of reasons, or if they don't sack the manager they interfere so much it disrupts what they're trying to achieve. I'd be interested to know whether deep down Moyes regrets leaving Everton for example, it's hardly gone well for him since then and he was in a similar position to the one SD is currently in.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:07 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:59 pm
If Dyche were to go to Villa it could seem logical for Smith to replace Dyche here?
Why would that be logical?

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:21 pm

I think there has only been one time I've been truly bewildered by the board and that was the failure to "stretch" the finances as Dyche puts it once we had qualified for Europe, a huge opportunity was missed imho.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:22 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:59 pm
If Dyche were to go to Villa it could seem logical for Smith to replace Dyche here?
hell no, scrapped through the play offs with Villa and has done nothing since

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:22 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:21 pm
I think there has only been one time I've been truly bewildered by the board and that was the failure to "stretch" the finances as Dyche puts it once we had qualified for Europe, a huge opportunity was missed imho.
Totally agree and I thought that this would be that next kick on for a few better quality players.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:25 pm

We don’t want Smith...I’ve never heard such a whingy manager since fat Sam was last employed. Every game Villa have played this season they deserved to win...apparently
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:30 pm

I've said many times on these boards, and in the LT before I joined here, that I don't think Sean is going anywhere.

Why would he leave, other than perhaps to be nearer his family, and he hasn't done that in eight years, so why now?

It must be four or five years since I first said that I think Sean wants to build a dynasty here, and little has happened to change my mind.

Most managers buy players to immediately go into the first team. How many youngsters have Burnley brought in to play at Youth and Under 23 level? Quite a few I think. It was also Sean's idea to rebuild Gawthorpe, with money he could have used for transfers. That suggests someone building for the future, not someone with short term aims. Why would he suddenly dump all that?

As he said himself in a recent interview. "The media have been linking me with other jobs for years, and I'm still here. Now that hasn't worked, they are saying I'm unhappy. I can tell you that I'm no less happy than I've ever been." Not an exact quote but near enough.

I think the current situation is a storm in a teacup, brought to a head by Covid 19, and I don't think Sean can blame the board for that.

C'mon Sean, c'mon you PL Clarets.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:32 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:01 pm
How would he be moving into Villa and inheriting a team of non-grafters? Grealish grafts, but he'll be gone. Villa have spent a lot of money on a bunch of players who might - I only say might - sulk when they get the Dyche approach to management. And if the players down tools, it's the manager who gets the sack.

Wheras at Burnley, even with the departures, we have a very good squad of 17 or so and the chance to sign a few more good young 'uns from lower down the leages; plus possibly one or two from our own development squad, I wouldn't know. All signed with and/or trained up to the Dyche work ethic. I don't know how unhappy Dyche is, or how seriously he wants to leave, but he needs to be very careful what he wishes for.
It's 31th July, Villa have been relegated and Dean Smith shown the door, Tom Heaton is asked to join a telephone Conference call with joint owners, Wes Edens & Naseff Sawiris .....

Directors : " We are interested in your former boss, Sean Dyche, Thomas ! How do you think he'd fit in here ?

Tom : " He'd certainly be a breath of fresh air, Mr Chairman, he'd want to make a lot of changes ... "

Directors : " What do you mean, changes ? "

Tom: " Well, he'd want to revamp the squad, bring in some players with a pair of b*****ks, for a start. He'll want rid of most of these fair weather " touch " players on £40,000 a week, who wear gloves, and turn into " hands-up Italians " at the first sign of a robust tackle or rainfall ! You'll have to keep hold of McGinn and Mings, and I hope Grealish likes omelettes !! They'll have to be a fire sale of your " dead-wood ", and the new signings he'll want won't come cheap ...

Directors: " Anything else we need to know ? "

Tom: " Only that he likes to have control or at least imput into every aspect of the Club, he'll probably change the wine list in the Director's box, and your wives will have to submit their match-day outfits for his approval .. "

Director : " Well gee, thanks Tom " Click, as phone goes down, " Have we still got Sam Allardyce's number,, Miss Trubshaw ? "

UTC !! ;)
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:42 pm

I don't think he's leaving in the short term, but his contract only has 2 years left and I'd be surprised if he signed another, unless something changes with our finances.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:47 pm

SammyBoy wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:02 pm
Great post, Dyche has really built something here that he can be proud of and will be able to look back on fondly in years to come as a club legend. He's paid well, has the run of the place and he does get backing in the transfer windows even though it's probably not to the extent he'd ideally want. Is it worth gambling that by moving to a bigger club, the likes of which we know are notoriously fickle and don't hesitate to pot managers for a myriad of reasons, or if they don't sack the manager they interfere so much it disrupts what they're trying to achieve. I'd be interested to know whether deep down Moyes regrets leaving Everton for example, it's hardly gone well for him since then and he was in a similar position to the one SD is currently in.
It's a tough one for Sean, does he believe he can take us further, we've finished 7th, and could achieve roughly similar this season, but how much higher can we go, there's likely to be a big strengthening by a number of clubs this summer, Arsenal, Everton & Spurs will be hoping to improve massively next season, equally where's Sean going to go, you don't just leave a PL job unless you have another position waiting. And would Sean get the time and be allowed to run the club in his own style, our would he be hired purely as a 1st team coach, i can't see that appealing to him, he likes the autonomy he's got at Burnley, and he'll struggle to get that elsewhere.

Moyes probably regrets leaving Everton when he did, whoever followed Sir Alex had an impossible task, and if you look at Utd now, they've not massively improved from David Moyes time, their points total is going to be similar, but the difference is the expectation levels are lower, therefore Ole is considered to be doing a good job, you never want to be the man who follows the man, that's always a poisoned chalice, as whoever succeed's Jurgen and Pep, and perhaps even Sean will find out to their cost.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by ecc » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:26 pm

"There's probably 80 other clubs in the country wondering how the hell we do what we're doing."

Spot on, Notts. I tried to explain it to two non-Clarets-supporting fans recently.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:04 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:16 pm
I wish people would stop blaming Mr Rigg for all this without evidence he's failed in his job. He may well have identified lots of players and put those names to the club, but it's not his decision to sign them, or sign the cheques.
Did not blame him. Just cited the 2 important folk.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:24 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:04 pm
Did not blame him. Just cited the 2 important folk.
With respect, I didn't say you did. I said 'people'. However, including his name in your post, suggested that you may be in the same camp as those who do. If not, why mention him rather than Mike Garlick for instance? (Yes, you mention him as Chairman, but that's all.) After all, the argument is said to be between him and Sean?
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by DCWat » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:33 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:01 pm
Burnley must have taken in about £700m in Dyche's time here, and in that time have spent all but about £40m of it. If he has been fighting with one hand behind his back, it isn't the Board's fault - they have spent all they reasonably could.

As a comparative, Bournemouth's wage bill is £25m higher than ours, and their squad cost about £150m higher. They owe their unhappy owner £110m and I think he wants it back. they owe other clubs, as at June 2019, £90m, and £50m of that due in more than one year - ie. they still owe it. They have borrowed £16m against future sale of players. They don't own their ground (paying rent of I believe £4.5m per year, having risen from £3.5m) and they haven't significantly upgraded the training ground.

Compare that with us.

Dyche's problem if he moves - and that article suggests, probably correctly, that Villa is the only realistic option - is that if Villa go down he will have one year only to get them back up, and if they don't go down he will have perhaps 18 months to get them in the top half. But he won't have his own players, and he almost certainly won't have Grealish. When he moved into Burnley he was lucky to inherit a squad of grafters. Underachieving grafters, but players with potential and players who would put in the effort. He added some more skilful grafters and hey presto. Brilliant.

How would he be moving into Villa and inheriting a team of non-grafters? Grealish grafts, but he'll be gone. Villa have spent a lot of money on a bunch of players who might - I only say might - sulk when they get the Dyche approach to management. And if the players down tools, it's the manager who gets the sack.

Wheras at Burnley, even with the departures, we have a very good squad of 17 or so and the chance to sign a few more good young 'uns from lower down the leages; plus possibly one or two from our own development squad, I wouldn't know. All signed with and/or trained up to the Dyche work ethic.

I don't know how unhappy Dyche is, or how seriously he wants to leave, but he needs to be very careful what he wishes for.
Great post, DSR.

I’ve not seen any mention of Bournemouth’s owner being unhappy and wanting money back.

With some of those figures highlighted, that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by BabylonClaret » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:30 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:16 pm
I wish people would stop blaming Mr Rigg for all this without evidence he's failed in his job. He may well have identified lots of players and put those names to the club, but it's not his decision to sign them, or sign the cheques.
Well I rh8nk its because we don't really seem to be seeing any real benefit to him being there - pretty much every signing we have made has been someone we have been interested in for some time. In fact you could argue that we'd have pretty much made the identical acquisitions without him.

If he's submitting a big list that we then fail to land (as you suggest) then either he's not identifying players we can actually sign or players that don't meet the requirements of manager/board. Either way its a waste of time.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:35 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:30 pm
Well I rh8nk its because we don't really seem to be seeing any real benefit to him being there - pretty much every signing we have made has been someone we have been interested in for some time. In fact you could argue that we'd have pretty much made the identical acquisitions without him.

If he's submitting a big list that we then fail to land (as you suggest) then either he's not identifying players we can actually sign or players that don't meet the requirements of manager/board. Either way its a waste of time.
We haven't done badly with the ones we have signed though. Perhaps we've spent more time looking abroad than we were doing? That takes time. You know Burnley don't make quick decisions on signings. This coming window will be more informative and I expect several signings.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:50 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:24 pm
With respect, I didn't say you did. I said 'people'. However, including his name in your post, suggested that you may be in the same camp as those who do. If not, why mention him rather than Mike Garlick for instance? (Yes, you mention him as Chairman, but that's all.) After all, the argument is said to be between him and Sean?
Well.... I mentioned him because, when it comes to transfers in, it is his job to have done work to identify players. What we need is the Mr G and Mr D relationship to be strong and Mr D agreeing the players, backed up by the research done by Mr R and his team (probably his team, as he is P/T). Those two should agree the way forward, not the 'third man, as happens at some clubs.

Hence, why I included him. If he oversteps then astronauts everywhere, could be shouting at Houston again!

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:59 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:50 pm
Well.... I mentioned him because, when it comes to transfers in, it is his job to have done work to identify players. What we need is the Mr G and Mr D relationship to be strong and Mr D agreeing the players, backed up by the research done by Mr R and his team (probably his team, as he is P/T). Those two should agree the way forward, not the 'third man, as happens at some clubs.

Hence, why I included him. If he oversteps then astronauts everywhere, could be shouting at Houston again!
I hate using clichés but at the end of the day we have a football 'TEAM' and that team at Burnley is supposed to be 'One club for all'. That's includes management at all levels. It's about time this internal squabble was sorted out and we got on with business as usual. Which I think we will.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:19 pm

Managers in this league get to a point where they believe their own hype and become a different person. The pressure does that to them, and the magnifying glass. Sean comes out with some wacky stuff, such as complaining about spending during a global pandemic which yet could wipe out dozens of football clubs. DSR above was suggesting that maybe Sean should be careful what he wishes for. I think there is definately a danger of him making a very silly decision that when he looks back on he could regret.
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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by dsr » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:27 pm

DCWat wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:33 pm
Great post, DSR.

I’ve not seen any mention of Bournemouth’s owner being unhappy and wanting money back.

With some of those figures highlighted, that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
There are several mentions on their message board "up the Cherries" about using the parachute money to pay off the owner. I think it's because they believe he wants it back rather than anyone wanting shut of him.

I think relegation would be a disaster for Bournemouth. They're borrowed up to the hilt, so if they do go down, they look like they will have to get rid of anyone who is any use just to pay of the contracts of those who are no use at all.

Their big worry ought to be the creditors. Not just the money owed to the owner, on which they are paying £6m interest per year. At the end of June 2019, they owed £90m, to other league clubs for transfer fees. £40m repayable within one year, £50m in more than one year - ie. they still owe it now. They spent another £35m on transfers this season - I bet a lot of that is still owed to other league clubs. Early this season, they borrowed £13m from a loan shark on the security of £16m they were due to receive in 2020 and 2021. It's all signs of a club that is in Dickie's meadow already.

And with all the PL money, they still haven't bought back their ground, which they sold when (like us) they were in dire straits. They don't own the ground, their training facilities are poor, and they have built nothing apart from 5 years of memories. No permanent infrastructure.

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Re: Guardian article on Dyche

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:32 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:27 pm
There are several mentions on their message board "up the Cherries" about using the parachute money to pay off the owner. I think it's because they believe he wants it back rather than anyone wanting shut of him.

I think relegation would be a disaster for Bournemouth. They're borrowed up to the hilt, so if they do go down, they look like they will have to get rid of anyone who is any use just to pay of the contracts of those who are no use at all.

Their big worry ought to be the creditors. Not just the money owed to the owner, on which they are paying £6m interest per year. At the end of June 2019, they owed £90m, to other league clubs for transfer fees. £40m repayable within one year, £50m in more than one year - ie. they still owe it now. They spent another £35m on transfers this season - I bet a lot of that is still owed to other league clubs. Early this season, they borrowed £13m from a loan shark on the security of £16m they were due to receive in 2020 and 2021. It's all signs of a club that is in Dickie's meadow already.

And with all the PL money, they still haven't bought back their ground, which they sold when (like us) they were in dire straits. They don't own the ground, their training facilities are poor, and they have built nothing apart from 5 years of memories. No permanent infrastructure.
They are building new training facilities at the moment - the new ground was put on hold late last year - with no date for them to start it again - all followed Howe finally deciding he wanted to leave a legacy at the club and being very public about it last year - if they go down the legacy he could leave them is one not to be proud of

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