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Match of the Day

Post by Mondsley » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:12 am

Can someone please explain why our game at Crystal Palace did not feature on tonight's programme?

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Rowls » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:31 am

They showed our highlights in a new meta section of the programme whereby matches not thought to be important or interesting to the wider audience are flashed -in their entirety- directly into your eyeballs in a single subliminal flash.

Match action is available between 1:10:24 and 1:10:25 with the punditry and analysis between 1:20:26 and 1:20:27.

Blink and you'll miss it.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Rowls » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:32 am

Be grateful. It's more than we usually get.
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Re: Match of the Day

Post by tiger76 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:36 am

Yes i wondered that as well, i didn't expect them to spend lot's of time on our win at Palace, but i thought it would it least have merited a few minutes, and you'd think they'd have at least shown the goal, and some brief highlights, according to the schedule it was supposed to feature, but they devoted too much time to the rest of the games, and the blinding critique of Alan Shearer, i mean a blind man could tell you that Chelsea, Man City & Spurs need to improve their defences that's obvious.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by ten bellies » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:54 am

Defund the BBC.
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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Ric_C » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:39 am

Not only did we have to wait an extra day for motd, as City played Liverpool tonight, but they then conveniently stuck to their “games over the last three days” rule. How convenient

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:20 am

I don’t believe they covered the Monday night City game last week?

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:40 am

ten bellies wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:54 am
Defund the BBC.
Congratulations!

Post of the Week.

End the unjust , outdated poll tax.
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Re: Match of the Day

Post by claretblue » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:27 am

Ric_C wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:39 am
then conveniently stuck to their “games over the last three days” rule. How convenient
its a 'games not involving Burnley' policy' :roll:

...something most broadcasters have adopted for a long time!

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by karatekid » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:15 am

Ian Wright asked them not to show it.
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Re: Match of the Day

Post by LeadBelly » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:54 am

ten bellies wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:54 am
Defund the BBC.
This movement is really strengthening lately and got a further boost yesterday when BBC announced cuts to (English) regional services- a few days after announcing it was spending £100 million on "diversity" (even though an independent investigation has just recently found that minority groups are already significantly over-represented in its shows).
The BBC (unusually) allowed comments re the regional cuts on its website and the punters really (quite rightly) vented their spleens
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53263793
Over 2000 comments with the "highest rated" comments being all critical vitriol outweighing defenders by around 20:1.

BBC's response will be to not allow comments even more on "controversial" articles (= articles where the majority of licence payers are likely to be critical).
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Re: Match of the Day

Post by tiger76 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:10 am

Without taking the thread off track too much, it's a reasonable time to ask precisely what the BBC'S function is in the digital age, they would no doubt argue that they're performing a vital public service role, but in the modern world is there really justification for a licence fee broadcaster, i don't think so, and if the BBC is so confident in it's output, then surely they'll welcome the chance to compete in the commercial marketplace, and let's be honest the notion that the BBC isn't promoting advertising is laughable, the amount of product placement in their major shows has been growing year on year, Eastenders is the most well known, but there's many others, if they want to be a purely public service broadcaster then fine, but cut out all the non-essential channels, and focus on a small remit, that provides value for licence fee payers, i recently decided to ditch my pay-tv package as i didn't watch it enough to justify the monthly outlay, but with the BBC i and everyone else doesn't have that option, and as has been pointed out this is a tax, and an outdated tax at that.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Vino blanco » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:25 pm

Get rid of the licence fee and commercialise the BBC.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:58 pm

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tony-b ... 90818.html

Alongside the BBC Charter is an agreement between the BBC and the government under which the government agrees to pay to the BBC out of money provided by Parliament sums up to an amount equal to the net licence revenue. In return, the BBC agrees to do a number of things including not spending the money on a TV, radio or online service which is wholly or partly funded by advertisements, subscription, sponsorship, pay-per-view or any other alternative means of finance.

In other words, at the heart of the funding arrangements for the BBC, there is a deal. The BBC gets the proceeds of the licence fee and in return it agrees not to compete with other broadcasters for funding from advertising or subscription.

If there were no such deal and, say, the BBC took advertising, the balance of supply and demand in the sale of advertising airtime would change. Prices would fall and the revenue of ITV, Channel Four and other advertising-funded broadcasters would also fall - that was the lesson taught by the Peacock Report in 1986 on financing the BBC.

Peacock showed that if the BBC were to take advertising, an increase in the volume of television advertising would lead to a decline in advertising expenditure and losses for ITV.

The market has changed since Peacock's time but the relationship between the licence fee, the BBC's exclusion from advertising as a source of funding and the consequent increase in the value of television advertising for others, including ITV, remains.

The prohibition on the BBC taking advertising as part of the agreement by which licence fee revenues are paid to it therefore supports ITV, and all other ad-funded broadcasters, by limiting the volume of airtime available for advertising and thereby driving up its value.

So the licence fee is not just a means of funding the BBC. It supports the current market structure with a mix of funding from the licence fee, advertising and subscription. Whilst changes in technology,

services and audience behaviour may affect the design, implementation and enforcement of the licence fee, there is nothing anachronistic in the underlying rationale for it.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:08 pm

In other words - you can't just scrap the licence fee - you'd first have to restructure the whole system, ITV, Sky, the whole lot - as there as a complex interplay going on.

Work out a new modern system, but you can't just scrap the license fee as it's not just the BBC who would be affected.

Even if everything went to a subscription system there would likely be too much competition and profits plummet. Commercial Channels struggling enough as it is with advertising.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:24 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -agreement

Updated Draft Framework Agreement
November 2016

THE FUNDING OF THE BBC
49. Licence fee funding and other finance
(1) The Secretary of State must pay to the BBC out of money provided by Parliament sums
equal to the whole of the net Licence Revenue or such lesser sums as the Secretary
of State may, with the consent of the Treasury, determine.

(2) The BBC may use sums paid to it under paragraph (1) to fund any activities properly
carried on by the BBC except—
(a) those carried on for the purposes of any commercial activity, any services of a
description mentioned in paragraph (6), or any service (apart from the World
Service) aimed primarily at users outside the UK;
(b) any which are carried on for the purposes of a television, radio or online service
which is wholly or partly funded by advertisements, subscription, sponsorship,
pay-per-view system or any other alternative means of finance, unless the
Secretary of State has given prior written approval.
(3) For the purposes of paragraph (2)(b)—
(a) whether an activity is carried on for the purposes of a television, radio or online
service which is funded in any of the ways described in that paragraph depends
on whether the service is a UK Public Service or within the scope of the World
Service Licence;
(b) the activity of complying with the BBC’s duty under section 58(1) of the
Broadcasting Act 1990 is not to be regarded as an activity carried on for any of
those purposes.
(4) In paragraph (2)(b), the reference to “any other alternative means of finance” does not
include the use of funds derived from—
(a) the commercial activities;
(b) voluntary payments of the licence fee, legacies or other donations;
(c) the Open University;
(d) any co-production arrangement; that is, an arrangement whereby BBC output
is created, commissioned or otherwise obtained by the BBC in co-operation
with one or more appropriate third parties, and where funding is provided in
exchange for broadcasting, publishing or other rights in the material;
(e) any not for profit cultural, arts, sports, educational and science bodies or other
similar organisations but only where the funding is compatible with a statement
of policy published by the BBC;
(f) co-funding by not for profit bodies for output in minority languages and other
limited circumstances, but only where compatible with a statement of policy
published by the BBC;
(g) competition prizes and other awards made available or funded or provided by
any one or more third parties but only where compatible with a statement of
policy published by the BBC;
(h) the BBC recovering the costs of the following events: The Proms, Proms in the
Park, Cardiff Singer of the Year, Young Musician of the Year; and other similar
events which contribute to the BBC’s Mission and Public Purposes, from the
proceeds of ticket sales, in line with a statement of policy that is agreed with
the Secretary of State;
(i) in the following circumstances—
(i) the funds are derived from any other arrangement under which any
activity, facility or event—
a. featured (in whole or part) in BBC output, or
b. used (in whole or part) to support the creation of BBC output,
is carried on or provided with support from, or in co-operation with, any
one or more third parties so as to share the costs of carrying out,
providing, using or mounting the activity, facility or event; and
(ii) the use of the funds is compatible with a statement of policy published
by the BBC.
(5) Nothing in paragraph (2)(b) is
(a) to affect any spending in carrying out the specified activities (see clauses 38 to
48);
(b) to prevent the provision of output provided by the organisations mentioned in
paragraph (4) in the UK Public Services where that output may have been
funded (in whole or in part) by a commercial body;
(c) to prevent the BBC receiving reasonable costs from organisations for the
provision of output provided by such organisations in the UK Public Services.
(6) Paragraphs (2) to (5) enable the BBC to work collaboratively and in partnership with
other organisations (see article 13 of the Charter). In particular, these provisions allow
the BBC to use alternative means of finance together with net Licence Revenue to fulfil
the Mission and promote the Public Purposes.

(7) Where the BBC performs any services at the request of any department of the UK
Government (save for under clause 42 (BBC Monitoring) or clause 67 (defence and
emergency arrangements)) the Minister in charge of the department concerned must
pay to the BBC such sums as the Treasury may authorise for those purposes.
(8) Sums payable to the BBC under paragraph (1) or (7) of this clause must be paid in
instalments and at intervals determined by the appropriate Minister and any adjustment
between the parties shall be made as soon as conveniently possible.
(9) Any account certified by a member of the Senior Civil Service in the Department for
Culture, Media and Sport of any sum due to the BBC under paragraph (1) shall for all
purposes be final and conclusive in the absence of manifest error.
(10) The BBC shall deliver to the Secretary of State or other Minister (as the case may
require) accounts of its expenditure of sums paid to it under paragraph (7). Such
accounts shall cover such periods and be delivered at such times as the appropriate
Minister may direct.
(11) Sums paid to the BBC under this clause must be used and administered by the BBC
in accordance with any terms and conditions attached by the paying Minister with the
consent of the Treasury or by Parliament.
(12) In this clause, “net Licence Revenue” means the amounts paid by the BBC into the
Consolidated Fund under section 365 of the Communications Act 2003, less the
expenses incurred by or on behalf of the Secretary of State in relation to the
administration of the television licensing system.
(13) In this clause, “sponsorship” and “subscription” are to be interpreted congruently with
the definitions of “sponsored material” and “subscription service”, respectively, in
clause 50.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:59 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:54 am
This movement is really strengthening lately and got a further boost yesterday when BBC announced cuts to (English) regional services- a few days after announcing it was spending £100 million on "diversity" (even though an independent investigation has just recently found that minority groups are already significantly over-represented in its shows).
The BBC (unusually) allowed comments re the regional cuts on its website and the punters really (quite rightly) vented their spleens
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53263793
Over 2000 comments with the "highest rated" comments being all critical vitriol outweighing defenders by around 20:1.

BBC's response will be to not allow comments even more on "controversial" articles (= articles where the majority of licence payers are likely to be critical).
I've got 2 grown up kids and like all of them in their age group, mid 20s, neither have a licence. They simply dont watch terrestrial TV. Demographically, the BBC's days are numbered. I believe the average age of BBC 1 viewers is 61 and funnily enough for BBC 2 its 62. The, BBC, like most on the Left, is increasingly obsessed with gender, race and gesture politics. Last week a drama on prime time, Thursday 9 0clock, written or starring Reggie Yates, not sure which. Was watched by the smallest ever audience for that slot.

If they continue making Television for people who don't watch television, its demise will come even sooner.

It's the polar bear stranded on a fast shrinking island of ice.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by ten bellies » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:02 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:54 am
This movement is really strengthening lately and got a further boost yesterday when BBC announced cuts to (English) regional services- a few days after announcing it was spending £100 million on "diversity" (even though an independent investigation has just recently found that minority groups are already significantly over-represented in its shows).
The BBC (unusually) allowed comments re the regional cuts on its website and the punters really (quite rightly) vented their spleens
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53263793
Over 2000 comments with the "highest rated" comments being all critical vitriol outweighing defenders by around 20:1.

BBC's response will be to not allow comments even more on "controversial" articles (= articles where the majority of licence payers are likely to be critical).
I think the media in general are in denial, but the BBC take the biscuit. They are ploughing regardless of opinion and criticism, thinking themselves untouchable.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by ten bellies » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:26 pm

Just been announced BBC will cover our game v Wolves, if they can be bothered.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Mondsley » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:36 pm

ten bellies wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:26 pm
Just been announced BBC will cover our game v Wolves, if they can be bothered.
Just as I was beginning to wish I hadn't asked this was announced. The power of the message board :lol:

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by lucs86 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:41 pm

Loads of good stuff on the BBC that wouldn't be done to the same quality elsewhere. And radio and live TV without adverts is a big plus. The country would be worse off without it. Burnley would be getting ignored here outside the BBC too.
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Re: Match of the Day

Post by box_of_frogs » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:49 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:25 pm
Get rid of the licence fee and commercialise the BBC.
Agreed. Make it a level playing field.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:01 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:49 pm
Agreed. Make it a level playing field.
By that do mean that all the commercial stations would have to provide all the services that the BBC currently do?, - such as regional TV, 40 local radio stations, documentaries, Arts programmes, the BBC World Service, an extensive internet service, the Proms, funding for 6 orchestras etc etc. If so, then I'm all for it.
As I understand it something in the region of £7.00 / month of the license fee actually goes to the the production of TV programmes. With all the rest going towards all the other services.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by box_of_frogs » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:05 pm

I’ll be honest. I couldn’t give a monkeys about the many regional programs and such force. Let them compete on a level playing field along with every other program. If they aren’t good enough then they will cease.

If programs are good then they will funded by commercial means along with every other non BBC gig.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:14 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:49 pm
Agreed. Make it a level playing field.
If you commercialize the BBC, advertising revenue for the other commercial broadcasters will plummet.

If you want to get rid of the license fee you'd have to scrap the BBC completely or possibly make it a subscription service without advertising.

Commercial broadcasters' advertising revenue is squeezed tightly enough as it is, without added competition.

If you want to scrap the BBC fair enough but don't take the other broadcasters down with the sinking ship.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:49 am

Most countries have a TV licence fee, and i doubt it will ever be scrapped.
Those who think that the end of the BBC would mean the end of the license are almost certainly wrong.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by BenWickes » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:07 am

I don't mind paying just over £3 a week for BBC services. Some of their shows are world class, particularly Drama. That said and MOTD is a case in point. They need to be more inclusive of teams outside the so called 'big 6'. The number of times they'll drone on about bigger clubs and give them four minutes discussion time even when it's been a dour 0-0, then we get two minutes highlights if we're lucky. Then they edit out us hitting the post, their keeper making a save and generally making it look like our win wasn't as convincing as it was. That grates.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:01 am

One way to do it would be to sell of various BBC properties, break the BBC up, and keep BBC 1 and BBC 2 only. No adverts so ITV isn't put in trouble.

So as an example The Natural History unit gets bought by Discovery Channel and they provide certain programming for BBC 2 - maybe a year after first broadcast.

BBC News gets bought by Channel 4 - and they provide regional news on BBC 1.

The license fee actually provides a level playing field by allowing Commercial broadcasters to make money whilst the BBC can only operate commercially outside the UK.
So to keep a level playing field you can't just unleash the BBC into the Commercial field, you have to kerb it in some way.

You'd definitely lose a lot of the smaller commercial channels if you just let the BBC use advertising.

ITV would probably have to cut some of it's channels to save money and would possibly have to start using subscription for some of their services.

I suspect the reduction of budgets for Drama and light Entertainment Shows as well.

At the end of the day there are only a limited number of advertising opportunities in the UK.

Extra competition in Commercial television is good for advertisers rather than broadcasters.

One thing that could result is we follow the US and have ad breaks more frequently. Every two or three minutes.

The other thing to remember is the license fee whilst being collected by The BBC is a tax which goes to the government.

The government then pays the BBC for certain services, and the BBC has to stick to certain conditions, part of the agreement.

Other broadcasters don't have to stick to the same regulations as the BBC and don't provide a service to the government.

So you could argue it's the BBC, who don't have the same freedom as other broadcasters, who are more disadvantaged on the playing field.
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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:16 am

The BBC should have longer content on with no adverts, but no it just advertises it's own shows instead of products.

I don't pay for a T.V licence. It's easy enough to go online and tick the box that says you don't require one.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:44 am

Advertising your own programming or advertising TV license is not taking revenue away from commercial broadcasters.

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:49 am

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:44 am
Advertising your own programming or advertising TV license is not taking revenue away from commercial broadcasters.
I know but it is stealing airtime away from the viewer.

The main reason people put up with paying the fee is that the service is supposed to be advert free. Longer content etc..

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Re: Match of the Day

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:01 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:49 am
I know but it is stealing airtime away from the viewer.

The main reason people put up with paying the fee is that the service is supposed to be advert free. Longer content etc..
But it doesn't advertise in the middle of programmes or films does it? And I think that's the point. I would think that most people prefer small gaps in between programmes

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