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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:24 am

The NHS as been underwhelmed this last few months, whilst the economy as been shattered , businesses have been ruined and the counties future in tatters

People have to be responsible and stop blaming the government every time they catch a cold. The majority can't suffer any longer just to protect a small vulnerable minority.

Open everything up as planned and support local businesses as the Chancellor advises and be sensible as our PM advises
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:27 am

Ptangyangkipperbang wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:23 am
I cant seem to open the link but is the estimated deaths mean 35 k to 70k from the pubs opening or from the start of the pandemic? Cheers
During the first year from the start of the pandemic due to lockdown not being stringent enough.

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:28 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:24 am
The majority can't suffer any longer just to protect a small vulnerable minority.
Tell that to the widow of my 48 year old friend who had no underlying health conditions, yet died of coronavirus.

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:31 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:58 am
So own up who's sat in Spoons already?
People were supposed to be going to boycott Wetherspoons after the way Tim Martin treated his staff.

Has that been forgotten about already?
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:34 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:24 am
The majority can't suffer any longer just to protect a small vulnerable minority.
What a very, very selfish attitude. Weed out the weak and vulnerable eh?

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Spijed » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:36 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:24 am
The NHS as been underwhelmed this last few months, whilst the economy as been shattered , businesses have been ruined and the counties future in tatters

People have to be responsible and stop blaming the government every time they catch a cold. The majority can't suffer any longer just to protect a small vulnerable minority.

Open everything up as planned and support local businesses as the Chancellor advises and be sensible as our PM advises
Would you allow everything back to normal, i.e. no distancing, full crowds at football etc.?

How do you protect the vulnerable?

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Damo » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:38 am

I won't be drinking until next week due to work commitments, but I'd say wetherspoons is the best place to go for a pint if you want to avoid the type of people from twitter who you wouldn't want to be stuck in a pub/lift/House etc with

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:41 am

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:36 am
Would you allow everything back to normal, i.e. no distancing, full crowds at football etc.?

How do you protect the vulnerable?
Read his post again. The vulnerable don't matter to him.

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:58 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:41 am
Read his post again. The vulnerable don't matter to him.
The vulnerable will always be vulnerable. Should life never continue? I think the sensible thing is for the vulnerable to take their own measures to protect themselves and others can continue to take the government and scientific advice to reduce the risk of the virus spreading whilst slowly getting things back to normal. It is possible to do this whilst caring about vulnerable people.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:13 am

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:36 am
Would you allow everything back to normal, i.e. no distancing, full crowds at football etc.?

How do you protect the vulnerable?
I said open everything back as planned. No planning as been mentioned for mass gatherings and should not be, until we have total control.

I am at present doing shopping and errands for two households. One in their 80s and the other in their 90s.
People should be responsible, look after their own and look out for the less fortunate and stop blaming the government.

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:19 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:41 am
Read his post again. The vulnerable don't matter to him.
Would not surprise me if you were one of those clowns who supported the BLM marches, your types stink of hyporacy
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:19 am
Would not surprise me if you were one of those clowns who supported the BLM marches, your types stink of hyporacy
You don't know me at all then. What's 'Hyporacy'?

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:24 am

This is good and it proves that some things never change.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:24 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
You don't know me at all then. What's 'Hyporacy'?
Is that better clever Richard?

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:27 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:24 am
This is good and it proves that some things never change.

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Bet you can't guess where I am Richard?

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:29 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
You don't know me at all then. What's 'Hyporacy'?
Hypo means 'under or below'
Racy means 'lively, entertaining, and typically sexually titillating'.

So perhaps Hyporacy means 'less than entertaining'

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:29 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:16 am
Actually, my figures are an under estimate according to this.

https://www.ft.com/content/b887d344-6c8 ... bea055720b
"at least 20,000 people more than needed have died as a result of his incompetence."

Would a Corbyn government taken advice from different advisers? No.

How is there any way to prove that the government's handling hasn't actually saved lives? Given this country's unique factors such as obesity, diabetes, population density, percentage of BAME population, age of population, London being a global hub, vitamin D depletion in large swathes of the population at the end of a long grey winter.

Too many unknowns and variables. But not , apparently, for you to make, evidence lacking , sweeping claims that typically of the Left attempt to do, when trying to not let a good crisis go to waste.

Enjoy the weekend, and the game tomorrow.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:35 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:29 am
"at least 20,000 people more than needed have died as a result of his incompetence."

Would a Corbyn government taken advice from different advisers? No.

How is there any way to prove that the government's handling hasn't actually saved lives? Given this country's unique factors such as obesity, diabetes, population density, percentage of BAME population, age of population, London being a global hub, vitamin D depletion in large swathes of the population at the end of a long grey winter.

Too many unknowns and variables. But not , apparently, for you to make, evidence lacking , sweeping claims that typically of the Left attempt to do, when trying to not let a good crisis go to waste.

Enjoy the weekend, and the game tomorrow.
Oh, I'll enjoy the game tomorrow OK (So long as we don't lose.) and I won't let right wing zealots like you get in the way.

Let's be honest, name calling is not a good idea, so let's just agree to disagree.

You asked for evidence of my figures. I provided it. That wasn't acceptable for you, so fair enough.

Let's move on.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:52 am

For me I wouldn’t be going to the pub. But can completely understand why others will.

Life is to be lived. It comes with risk. Some greater than others.

For me the risk of me going to the pub, catching covid and having severe reaction or worse is very low. Not zero or impossible. But very low. And I take bigger risks every day. Driving my car. Crossing the road. Etc.

The reason I’m avoiding gatherings and pubs and the like are because I don’t want to catch it and pass it on.

But I do tend to agree that at some stage the risks need to be managed in a way that protect the vulnerable while allowing the non vulnerable to get back to normal.

That isn’t selfish. In fact quite the opposite.

Right now doesn’t seem the right time quite yet. But it needs to eventually.

If we decide to hide away from the virus forever we may as well give up now. Life without the pleasures and freedoms we are used to is a lot worse than one hiding indoors.

Hope all who go for a pint have a good day. I imagine the socialising and normality will do far more good than harm in most cases.

We all have to take responsibility for our own risk and behaviour.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:54 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:35 am
Oh, I'll enjoy the game tomorrow OK (So long as we don't lose.) and I won't let right wing zealots like you get in the way.

Let's be honest, name calling is not a good idea, so let's just agree to disagree.

You asked for evidence of my figures. I provided it. That wasn't acceptable for you, so fair enough.

Let's move on.

You claimed ""at least 20,000 people more than needed have died as a result of his incompetence"

You provided no evidence. You provided an opinion piece based on raw mortality figures that do not consider any other factors that will, probably, prove crucial in ascertaining how well or otherwise, the government has handled the unprecedented global pandemic.

Until this crisis is over and all the relevant factors have been considered, you , nor I, have any evidence. Only an opinion to which you're entitled to hold. You have no evidence regarding "at least 20,000 people more than needed have died as a result of his incompetence". Just an opinion.

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:43 pm

Something to read while you enjoy that pub pint.

Take a look at the week-on-week figures for Lancashire. Friday 26th of June: 3,842. Friday 3rd of July: 6,599.

Coronavirus: Local Authority Cases by Day

https://www.getthedata.com/covid-19/utla-by-day

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Garnerssoap » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:51 pm

Might have a wander down if it stops raining

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:10 pm

I caught a taxi earlier and the driver said that Leeds is packed, with people queuing outside pubs and hairdressers. Says it's meant to be as bad as a New Year's Eve.

No thank you. I'll see what the mess is like in 3-4 weeks.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:49 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:10 pm
I caught a taxi earlier and the driver said that Leeds is packed, with people queuing outside pubs and hairdressers. Says it's meant to be as bad as a New Year's Eve.

No thank you. I'll see what the mess is like in 3-4 weeks.
Just walked past a well known pub in Burnley. Way worse than I imagined. :shock: :shock:

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:53 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:49 pm
Just walked past a well known pub in Burnley. Way worse than I imagined. :shock: :shock:
Were they waiting to get their hair cut? :)

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:55 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:53 pm
Were they waiting to get their hair cut? :)
No queues there. I was patient zero this morning in and out :D

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:56 pm

It will be fine. Our glorious leader called for people to act safely and sensibly.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:57 pm

I've got someone coming to me tomorrow - £9 for a cut. Sorted (I hope - she's not cut my hair before).

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:07 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:24 am
This is good and it proves that some things never change.

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Bloody hell, he knows my local :lol:
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:37 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:56 pm
It will be fine. Our glorious leader called for people to act safely and sensibly.
We can’t keep blaming the prime minister for other people’s dickhead decisions.

The problem is if we don’t open the pubs the consequences could be worse. More and more illegal gatherings and raves etc will keep happening.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:49 pm

Just got back from a couple of pints, all for solidarity and supporting our small businesses of course.

Everyone very sensible, tables with only two chairs on each. No reason not to do it. Even If I caught it, still only a 1 in 200 chance of dying at my age, it all needs keeping in perspective.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:52 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:37 pm
We can’t keep blaming the prime minister for other people’s dickhead decisions.

The problem is if we don’t open the pubs the consequences could be worse. More and more illegal gatherings and raves etc will keep happening.
I read a few weeks ago that the plan was to open pubs, but only those that could seat people outside. I think that would have been more sensible and then go from there. So people would be sat outside and the staff would come out and take orders. Then, after a few weeks it would go to what's happening now.

Time will tell.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:58 pm

Spent 3 hours at Lowerhouse CC this afternoon, all sat at tables, socially distanced, didn’t fight anyone, didn’t start cuddling and fighting. Would you believe it
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:59 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:49 pm
Just got back from a couple of pints, all for solidarity and supporting our small businesses of course.

Everyone very sensible, tables with only two chairs on each. No reason not to do it. Even If I caught it, still only a 1 in 200 chance of dying at my age, it all needs keeping in perspective.
I’m with you but annoys me that we all feel the need to justify why we went for a few beers

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:03 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:49 pm
Even If I caught it, still only a 1 in 200 chance of dying at my age
Even though it's not about that, and more about who you can pass it onto, I'm sure most people will be absolutely fine.

What will be interesting is what happens later tonight.

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Post by karatekid » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:22 pm

All quiet in Burnley centre as I drove through about 4pm today. Big Window was shut as was the Brun Lea. The Corkhouse was open but looked very quiet. Plenty of police cars patroling round though.

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:24 pm

karatekid wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:22 pm
All quiet in Burnley centre as I drove through about 4pm today. Big Window was shut as was the Brun Lea. The Corkhouse was open but looked very quiet. Plenty of police cars patroling round though.
I thought the Burnley nightlife died several years ago though, so it might explain it.

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:26 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:03 pm
Even though it's not about that, and more about who you can pass it onto, I'm sure most people will be absolutely fine.

What will be interesting is what happens later tonight.
As someone who has helped run hospitals for the last 30 years I would say that there is always that risk and I have regularly had those conversations during flu season - flu has always been deadly, and contagious, Covid is worse, but the same principles apply. Take precautions, but live your normal life. If you feel you may have caught it, self isolate so as not to endanger others. Viewing yourself as a one person transmission machine isn’t the way to normal mental health - as long as we are all sensible, it will be fine, and we need a strong economy.

While I’ve enjoyed my beers today, and I don’t feel I need to make any apologies for enjoying them, I’d also choose to keep well away from town centre bars full of young people queuing at the doors, thats too much for me, but its not a reason to keep those places shut. If the virus peaks in one location, lock it down - like Melbourne have done with a few tower blocks today,
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:26 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:03 pm
Even though it's not about that, and more about who you can pass it onto, I'm sure most people will be absolutely fine.

What will be interesting is what happens later tonight.
It’s already interesting some of the stuff that happened this morning. Never mind tonight. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:28 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:26 pm
It’s already interesting some of the stuff that happened this morning. Never mind tonight. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Please share :)

I've heard a few pubs did actually open at 6am!

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Bigbopper » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:29 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:58 pm
Spent 3 hours at Lowerhouse CC this afternoon, all sat at tables, socially distanced, didn’t fight anyone, didn’t start cuddling and fighting. Would you believe it
House supporters are a cut above the rest. Could well have been like a war zone at Burnley C.C if their usual behaviour is anything to go by. :lol:

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by burnmark » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:29 pm

Had one in The Boot, Dyche and BCC around lunchtime. Spur of the moment thing but all very thorough following protocols etc.

Really enjoyed it.
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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:36 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:52 am
For me I wouldn’t be going to the pub. But can completely understand why others will.

Life is to be lived. It comes with risk. Some greater than others.

For me the risk of me going to the pub, catching covid and having severe reaction or worse is very low. Not zero or impossible. But very low. And I take bigger risks every day. Driving my car. Crossing the road. Etc.

The reason I’m avoiding gatherings and pubs and the like are because I don’t want to catch it and pass it on.

But I do tend to agree that at some stage the risks need to be managed in a way that protect the vulnerable while allowing the non vulnerable to get back to normal.

That isn’t selfish. In fact quite the opposite.

Right now doesn’t seem the right time quite yet. But it needs to eventually.

If we decide to hide away from the virus forever we may as well give up now. Life without the pleasures and freedoms we are used to is a lot worse than one hiding indoors.

Hope all who go for a pint have a good day. I imagine the socialising and normality will do far more good than harm in most cases.

We all have to take responsibility for our own risk and behaviour.
Spot on that

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:52 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:28 pm
Please share :)

I've heard a few pubs did actually open at 6am!
Some of it’s not for the faint hearted. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:52 pm
Some of it’s not for the faint hearted. :shock: :shock: :shock:
5.59am?

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:14 pm

Nope. Bottle of Cote du Rhone and TOTP Eighties special on BBC 2. :mrgreen: 8-)

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:37 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:26 pm
It’s already interesting some of the stuff that happened this morning. Never mind tonight. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Are you referring to someone allegedly taking a **** on a table in the Angel by any chance? :lol:

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:01 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:37 pm
Are you referring to someone allegedly taking a **** on a table in the Angel by any chance? :lol:
Wow. No hadn’t heard that. But where to start with that. :shock: :shock:

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:01 am

Bet today was like Boxing Day meets nye meets ww2.

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Re: Will you be going to the pub tomorrow?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:51 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:01 am
Wow. No hadn’t heard that. But where to start with that. :shock: :shock:
Was doing the rounds on a well known social media site. You'd like to think it wasn't true!

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