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Re: Priti Patel

Post by claretandy » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:01 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:31 pm
Attracts a lot of criticism, does Priti.

But everybody will surely agree how good it is to see somebody from her background succeeding.
The left hate her because she's a woman of colour who doesn't know her place.
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Damo » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:03 pm

Nothing inspires hate in the left quite like a person from an ethnic minority who doesn't share their views
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:14 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:59 pm
Stand by your beds, at ease, Gordaleman has made an attempt at humour. Love it!!
But failed :lol:

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Zlatan » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:16 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:01 pm
The left hate her because she's a woman of colour who doesn't know her place.
People dislike her because she’d sell her family for political gain, as she has demonstrated on many occasions. She is disingenuous and quite frankly a nasty person.
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:17 pm

I take it you don't like her, Zlatan? Shame, she speaks very highly of you.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by aggi » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:21 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:14 pm
If you think that was the thought process among the thousands who decided to vote Conservative then it's little wonder Labour lost.

If the Labour Party think as you do they'll stay out of power a lot longer.
I don't think what I thought had any bearing on Labour winning or losing.

If anyone wants to elaborate I'd be very interested but I find it difficult to understand how a lifelong Labour supporter views Johnson as the logical option.
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by aggi » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:22 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:01 pm
The left hate her because she's a woman of colour who doesn't know her place.
Like that Diane Abbott woman they all hate.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:23 pm

Caballo wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:56 pm
As people go, she's not very nice.
Priti Patel or Maggie? Got to say this thread had gone furthest off-topic in UTC history
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:24 pm

aggi wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:22 pm
Like that Diane Abbott woman they all hate.
Even I'm glad Abbott has gone from the shadow cabinet. She didn't help the party one bit, but hate is a very strong emotion.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:27 pm

I don't think people hate Diane Abbott, they are just surprised that some one of her incompetence should have been promoted to a position of seniority in the Shadow Cabinet.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:32 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:27 pm
I don't think people hate Diane Abbott, they are just surprised that some one of her incompetence should have been promoted to a position of seniority in the Shadow Cabinet.
Is that a fact, or an opinion? Many say the same about Boris and he's PM for goodness sake.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:36 pm

Gordaleman, I have no intention in entering a duologue with you about the merits of Dianne Abbott, life is far too short I'm afraid.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by aggi » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:37 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:27 pm
I don't think people hate Diane Abbott, they are just surprised that some one of her incompetence should have been promoted to a position of seniority in the Shadow Cabinet.
Some of the vitriol definitely appeared to be hate. Realistically she was no more incompetent than a raft of actual cabinet members. Patel has shown she also can't do numbers, Raab didn't realise that Dover might have a bit of trade going through it, Grayling signed a deal with a ferry company using T&Cs from a pizza company, etc (and this is before we get on to cabinet members who've been sacked in disgrace).

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:39 pm

As I said earlier aggi, you'll all have a chance to vote the Tories out at the next election. Until then, carry on regardless. Back to Jeff Stelling for me for a while.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by bobinho » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:43 pm

aggi wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:05 pm
I've always found this reasoning bizarre. "I'm a lifelong labour supporter but I didn't like the leader in the last election so I had no choice but to vote for the Tories and their disgraced old-Etonian PM."
Yep, i have also found that reasoning bizarre.

I voted for the tories as i didnt want the last ten + years of austerity to be wasted by us electing the hard left, only for us to have to go through it all again after JC and his marxist friends borrowed relentlessly and gave it all away. These things run in cycles you know.

I rejected a labour party that was no longer relevant to the times we live in.

I hope Starmer can return it to a more centrist position... somewhere that people from all walks of life can see a future in. A position that rewards hard work, enterprise and encourages business to thrive, rather than punishing it for making money. JC and his cronies are living in a different time, the world they live in isn't where we are living. TB and GB understood it well enough, despite the fact that the former non-Etonian PM is now disgraced due to his handling of the Iraqi regime change disguised as something else. (see, they are all as bad as each other really)

Had the labour party elected the right brother to be leader, we may not actually be here. Who knows eh?

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:46 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:36 pm
Gordaleman, I have no intention in entering a duologue with you about the merits of Dianne Abbott, life is far too short I'm afraid.
Please yourself, but I think she was incompetent as well. Just like 'King' Boris.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:52 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:27 pm
I don't think people hate Diane Abbott, they are just surprised that some one of her incompetence should have been promoted to a position of seniority in the Shadow Cabinet.
Diane Abbot receives more hate mail than any other female politician. If you study her career, although not sparkling, it’s also not accurate to call her incompetent or stupid.
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:55 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:52 pm
Diane Abbot receives more hate mail than any other female politician. If you study her career, although not sparkling, it’s also not accurate to call her incompetent or stupid.
I'll give her one thing. She thinks it's wrong that the Saudi's kill innocent children in Yemen with British made planes and weapons.
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by DCWat » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:56 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:52 pm
Diane Abbot receives more hate mail than any other female politician. If you study her career, although not sparkling, it’s also not accurate to call her incompetent or stupid.
I’ve never quite understood the mentality of someone needing to send hate mail. Constructive criticism of their views is fine, particularly of a person in such a position.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by bpgburn » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:59 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:52 pm
Diane Abbot receives more hate mail than any other female politician. If you study her career, although not sparkling, it’s also not accurate to call her incompetent or stupid.
What about Racist?

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:12 pm

Corruption is dripping from every orifice of this govt and the Covid crisis has been like bottomless pot of gold for them and their cronies

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1279 ... 33793.html
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Rowls » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:18 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:16 pm
People dislike her because she’d sell her family for political gain, as she has demonstrated on many occasions. She is disingenuous and quite frankly a nasty person.
Not heard this before. Who are the current owners of her family?

If she's sold her family more than once there's a strong case to say she's committed fraud. Hope it's been referred to Trading Standards and HMRC.
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:23 pm

Some good defenses on here.

- Corruption is ok because it's my team doing it and I love that you're angry about your country being sold out.

- There another female politician who I don't think is very good so that makes up for another one being who's in power being embroiled in corruption.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:01 pm

bpgburn wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:59 pm
What about Racist?
Yes, apparently a lot of the hate mail Diane Abbot receives in indeed racist.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:24 pm

If Jenrick and Patel had any honour they'd resign like this NZ politician did https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53259236 but they don't so they won't, and there's no chance of our esteemed PM actually sacking anybody, the rumoured reshuffle in September could be worth watching though, if either of them are still in office after that, then it will prove beyond doubt that this government's lost the plot, now whether the opposition would be any better is doubtful, but the country will get their say in 2024, and hopefully by than KS will have made Labour a more palatable option, i have no great hopes whoever's in, so i'm never disappointed.

PM'S in my voting life are as follows.

Blair- started well in his 1st term, and then it all went pear-shaped after the Iraq fiasco.

Brown- I've actually attended events where he was speaking, and i believe he genuinely does give a s**t about the common people, so that's a tick, but he was unlucky that the financial crash happened when it did, however his administration could have mitigated the fallout with tougher regulations on the banking industry(and no before anyone says it) the Tories haven't done any better in that field.

Cameron-I never felt he took the gig seriously, yet another entitled Etonian who felt he should rule by right, and as for his coalition partner, what a wet lettuce he turned out to be.

May- Dreadful HS, and a dreadful PM, but TBH whoever got the keys to number 10 post the referendums, Scottish and EU was going to have a thankless task.

Johnson- He was incredibly fortunate that he had Corbyn's Labour party as his opposition, this covered up a lot of his failings, and has been stated already on this thread, it was more the failure of the Labour party, rather than his popularity, that propelled him to power, he also greatly benefited from the brexit impasse, as the whole country was thoroughly fed up, and just wanted a resolution, now post-election, it would seem we're still no further advanced in the process, but hindsight's wonderful isn't it.

Do i expect the next occupant of 10 Downing Street to be an improvement, not really no, i have low expectations nowadays, that way i'm never disappointed.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by bpgburn » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:27 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:01 pm
Yes, apparently a lot of the hate mail Diane Abbot receives in indeed racist.
Well swerved and defended..
You do realise you just defended a racist don't you?

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:28 pm

Jel wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:44 pm
You just would though!
Phew - it wasn't just me thinking it.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Murger » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:29 pm

She'd still get it though.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Caballo » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:02 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:23 pm
Priti Patel or Maggie? Got to say this thread had gone furthest off-topic in UTC history
Patel, atleast when Thatcher was around there was a degree of honesty to politics.
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:06 pm

Pretty awful but has her eyes on Boris's job when he gets binned.This Asian heritage Thatcher will go far

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Post by joey13 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:14 pm

Caballo wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:02 pm
Patel, atleast when Thatcher was around there was a degree of honesty to politics.
Yes her friendship with Pinochet, and her mobilisation not only to spy on the NUM on an industrial scale, during the miners strike but to employ agents provocateurs at the highest level of the union, dirty tricks, slush funds, false allegations, forgeries, phoney cash deposits and multiple secretly sponsored legal actions to break the defence of the mining communities was especially honest :shock:

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:32 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:31 pm
Attracts a lot of criticism, does Priti.

But everybody will surely agree how good it is to see somebody from her background succeeding.
What background would that be? Ok, she had a comprehensive school education, but her parents had a thriving business to support her further education.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Zlatan » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:49 pm

Priti Patel’s numberwang

https://youtu.be/t62NSLECsjU

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:01 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:06 pm
Pretty awful but has her eyes on Boris's job when he gets binned.
You're not making life easier.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by scouseclaret » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:06 am

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:27 pm
I don't think people hate Diane Abbott, they are just surprised that some one of her incompetence should have been promoted to a position of seniority in the Shadow Cabinet.
I find the relative treatment of Patel and Abbot Really interesting. I still occasionally receive memes taking the **** out of Diane Abbott based on a misquoting of a number on a radio show years ago, yet I don’t recall Seeing a single one following Priti Patel’s inability even to read out a big number when making a statement in her capacity as Home Secretary.

It seems strange to make a comment on the incompetence of a former shadow cabinet minister when presented with the short-comings of the current incumbent of the actual job and, indeed, many of her colleagues. In fact, given the widespread incompetence on show on both sides of the House in recent years, it does make you wonder why Abbott has been singled out for such abuse..

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Post by charlyt » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:29 am

Supercillious.
Haughty.
And certainly not pretty.
A sop to multiculturalism.
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Post by Caballo » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:37 am

joey13 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:14 pm
Yes her friendship with Pinochet, and her mobilisation not only to spy on the NUM on an industrial scale, during the miners strike but to employ agents provocateurs at the highest level of the union, dirty tricks, slush funds, false allegations, forgeries, phoney cash deposits and multiple secretly sponsored legal actions to break the defence of the mining communities was especially honest :shock:
I'm sensing you didn't like her Joey 🤣🤣
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Re: Priti Patel

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:43 am

Petty Prattle.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by AndrewJB » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:25 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:43 pm
Yep, i have also found that reasoning bizarre.

I voted for the tories as i didnt want the last ten + years of austerity to be wasted by us electing the hard left, only for us to have to go through it all again after JC and his marxist friends borrowed relentlessly and gave it all away. These things run in cycles you know.

I rejected a labour party that was no longer relevant to the times we live in.

I hope Starmer can return it to a more centrist position... somewhere that people from all walks of life can see a future in. A position that rewards hard work, enterprise and encourages business to thrive, rather than punishing it for making money. JC and his cronies are living in a different time, the world they live in isn't where we are living. TB and GB understood it well enough, despite the fact that the former non-Etonian PM is now disgraced due to his handling of the Iraqi regime change disguised as something else. (see, they are all as bad as each other really)

Had the labour party elected the right brother to be leader, we may not actually be here. Who knows eh?
I’m not sure what you think was achieved by austerity. Osborne grew our debt by more than every Labour government in history. There’s no way of spinning that to “getting the nation’s finances in order.” At the same time he made massive cuts to our social infrastructure, leading to a rise in crime, poverty, homelessness, and wage stagnation. He cut taxes so much for the rich that Labour were able to offer a program of lavish investment and nationalisation on the basis of reversing those tax cuts. I would say that whatever information source that persuaded you to think Labour were hard left, also managed to get you to overlook the utter disaster that was austerity.

As for corruption, again and again we’ve seen people donating to the Tory Party and getting decisions made in their favour. Let them get away with this, and they’ll only get worse.
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Post by IanMcL » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:51 pm

Sadly Andrew, when the 'free press' are owned by folk who gain most from corrupt tories, they ensure the stories are written to dupe the masses accordingly.

The masses lag behind reality, as you would expect, given the volume of the propaganda.

Similarly, their abuse of Nicola Sturgeon, who dares to challenge, from afar, is horrendous.

The outcome is that they have passed of all the Scots and now she is supreme and independence is well ahead. In the newest polls. Enough of Mr Johnson, as far as they are concerned.

I look forward to my tartan password, with freedom of Europe. Then Mr J. Will discover where the border is sited!

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Post by bfcmik » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:53 pm

Some excellent writing in the Guardian on Saturday. Love or hate their political stance you cannot help but admire the quality of some of the articles they produce.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ujCGq2UQmA
"There is a smear on the colour spectrum where blue shades into black and conservatism turns into something darker. The reasonable desire of states to control their borders can slip into the stab-in-the-back myths and paranoid self-pity of the demagogue who can raise a mob but can’t run a country." :!: :!: :!:

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:40 pm

I dont hate Priti Awful but I do hate the stupid Americanism "a person of colour"
When did black,white,mixed race ,Asian heritage become racist?

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:50 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:51 pm
Sadly Andrew, when the 'free press' are owned by folk who gain most from corrupt tories, they ensure the stories are written to dupe the masses accordingly.

The masses lag behind reality, as you would expect, given the volume of the propaganda.

Similarly, their abuse of Nicola Sturgeon, who dares to challenge, from afar, is horrendous.

The outcome is that they have passed of all the Scots and now she is supreme and independence is well ahead. In the newest polls. Enough of Mr Johnson, as far as they are concerned.

I look forward to my tartan password, with freedom of Europe. Then Mr J. Will discover where the border is sited!
What do you get with a Tartan password?

You'll be a long time waiting to get FoM with the EU

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:51 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:25 pm
I’m not sure what you think was achieved by austerity. Osborne grew our debt by more than every Labour government in history. There’s no way of spinning that to “getting the nation’s finances in order.” At the same time he made massive cuts to our social infrastructure, leading to a rise in crime, poverty, homelessness, and wage stagnation. He cut taxes so much for the rich that Labour were able to offer a program of lavish investment and nationalisation on the basis of reversing those tax cuts. I would say that whatever information source that persuaded you to think Labour were hard left, also managed to get you to overlook the utter disaster that was austerity.

As for corruption, again and again we’ve seen people donating to the Tory Party and getting decisions made in their favour. Let them get away with this, and they’ll only get worse.
Deficit is the key part you're completely ignoring.
The Tories reduced the deficit, they couldn't do anything with debts until that was reduced.

Oh and the fact that the EU wanted Austerity measures put in place across the EU.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:51 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:51 pm
Deficit is the key part you're completely ignoring.
The Tories reduced the deficit, they couldn't do anything with debts until that was reduced.

Oh and the fact that the EU wanted Austerity measures put in place across the EU.
The fact the Tories promised to get rid of the deficit by 2015 and failed should say all we need to know.

They gave away the savings to their mates in finance, via tax breaks.

How else could Labour campaign on giving out loads of handouts based on reversing those tax giveaways?

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:18 am

AndrewJB wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:51 am
The fact the Tories promised to get rid of the deficit by 2015 and failed should say all we need to know.

They gave away the savings to their mates in finance, via tax breaks.

How else could Labour campaign on giving out loads of handouts based on reversing those tax giveaways?
Labour always campaign on giving stuff away, that's their core promises :lol:

Student loans paid off, Internet for all etc.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:26 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:18 am
Labour always campaign on giving stuff away, that's their core promises :lol:

Student loans paid off, Internet for all etc.
Nothing is given away. It’s just cheaper for most people to pay for services via their taxes than pay at point if use. The Tories give their supporters lower taxes because the very rich are net contributors, and generally happy to pay for private services anyway. What makes more economic sense for you?

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:31 am

AndrewJB wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:26 am
Nothing is given away. It’s just cheaper for most people to pay for services via their taxes than pay at point if use. The Tories give their supporters lower taxes because the very rich are net contributors, and generally happy to pay for private services anyway. What makes more economic sense for you?
You're gonna argue regardless as shown because you're so far up Labour's behind it won't matter what's said.

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Re: Priti Patel

Post by brexit » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:44 am

AndrewJB wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:26 am
Nothing is given away. It’s just cheaper for most people to pay for services via their taxes than pay at point if use. The Tories give their supporters lower taxes because the very rich are net contributors, and generally happy to pay for private services anyway. What makes more economic sense for you?
Everything is paid for by someone usually through taxes. Those 'free' things like the NHS are paid for tax payers but used by people who don't pay taxes.

"From today, therefore, taxes are abolished! It is high treason to pay taxes. Refusal to pay taxes is the primary duty of the citizen!"

Karl Marx 1848

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Re: Priti Patel

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