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No, you're spot on. I'm amazed they don't seem to use the 'Fake news' line.Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:55 pmThey're watching what that deranged racist over the water has been getting away with with impunity and our lot are collectively thinking, 'We can have some of that!'.
Is it just me, or are these people just more shamelessly brazen these days?
Fixed it for you...Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:31 pmSacked by May for trying to do her own deals with Israel. Nothing would surprise me about any of the MP’s around these days, regardless of political affiliation.
The Cummings affair is a great example of this.Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:55 pmThey're watching what that deranged racist over the water has been getting away with with impunity and our lot are collectively thinking, 'We can have some of that!'.
Is it just me, or are these people just more shamelessly brazen these days?
Definetly not just you. A description of them some months ago as a bunch of ' sh*ts, shysters and charlatans' was spot on.Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:55 pmThey're watching what that deranged racist over the water has been getting away with with impunity and our lot are collectively thinking, 'We can have some of that!'.
Is it just me, or are these people just more shamelessly brazen these days?
I bet I know which 'Bunch of Spivs' you voted for.bobinho wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:10 pmYeah it did. You allowed your own political affiliations to affect you. You mentioned “cabinet”, which would indicate only one side of the house are bad. As Billy says, they are a “bunch of spivs” But whichever side they are on is irrelevant. The whole house are a “bunch of spivs”.
As it happens, no, I didn't, but I though Lenin was dead and I'd no idea he'd once been leader of the Labour Party. You must be very old.
You're wrong. And as an ex Labour supporter you should know that Tories are born that way. Self, self, self is all they think about, day in, day out.bobinho wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:27 pmOnly kidding...
I opted for the party we have now. I didn’t want to, I just felt I’d been left with no alternative. As did a lot of people.
All spivs tho... the lot I voted for, and the lot you voted for. Every single one of em, regardless of affiliation, end up the same. They may not start out that way, but that’s how they end up.
Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:38 pmYou're wrong. And as an ex Labour supporter you should know that Tories are born that way. Self, self, self is all they think about, day in, day out.
There may be a few like that on the opposition benches but I've actually been in the House of Commons on several occasions and met quite a few Labour MPs. Most are hard working and have the interests of their constituents at heart. Peter Pike was one of the best and got me and some work collegues seats in the Sergeant at Arms private box on the day Neil Kinnock basically called Margaret Thatcher a liar over the Belgrano sinking. She went puple. It was absolutely brilliant.
At the time he was a qualified guide for the Palace of Westminster and gave four of us a personal tour of both the Lords and Commons. A wonderful day all round.
"Tories are born that way"Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:38 pmYou're wrong. And as an ex Labour supporter you should know that Tories are born that way. Self, self, self is all they think about, day in, day out.
There may be a few like that on the opposition benches but I've actually been in the House of Commons on several occasions and met quite a few Labour MPs. Most are hard working and have the interests of their constituents at heart. Peter Pike was one of the best and got me and some work collegues seats in the Sergeant at Arms private box on the day Neil Kinnock basically called Margaret Thatcher a liar over the Belgrano sinking. She went puple. It was absolutely brilliant.
I actually agreed with the sinking. That wasn't the point I was making. The Belgrano was apparrently sailing out of the exclusion zone, but of course, it could have turned round again. That said, 'Conqueror' the sub that sank her, could have waited a bit longer instead of killing some 3,000 Argentinians who all had families at home. Maggie, being Maggi, didn't care about that though and ordered her to be sunk.
"could have waited a bit longer" - I'm not sure you grasp how bloody and awful war is.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:46 pmI actually agreed with the sinking. That wasn't the point I was making. The Belgrano was apparrently sailing out of the exclusion zone, but of course, it could have turned round again. That said, 'Conqueror' the sub that sank her, could have waited a bit longer instead of killing some 3,000 Argentinians who all had families at home. Maggie, being Maggi, didn't care about that though and ordered her to be sunk.
Do you mean background as in the daughter of someone who once stood for UKIP ?
323 died on The Belgrano not 3000.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:46 pmI actually agreed with the sinking. That wasn't the point I was making. The Belgrano was apparrently sailing out of the exclusion zone, but of course, it could have turned round again. That said, 'Conqueror' the sub that sank her, could have waited a bit longer instead of killing some 3,000 Argentinians who all had families at home. Maggie, being Maggi, didn't care about that though and ordered her to be sunk.
I suggest you have a read of this....Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:46 pmI actually agreed with the sinking. That wasn't the point I was making. The Belgrano was apparrently sailing out of the exclusion zone, but of course, it could have turned round again. That said, 'Conqueror' the sub that sank her, could have waited a bit longer instead of killing some 3,000 Argentinians who all had families at home. Maggie, being Maggi, didn't care about that though and ordered her to be sunk.
I've always found this reasoning bizarre. "I'm a lifelong labour supporter but I didn't like the leader in the last election so I had no choice but to vote for the Tories and their disgraced old-Etonian PM."bobinho wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:27 pmOnly kidding...
I opted for the party we have now. I didn’t want to, I just felt I’d been left with no alternative. As did a lot of people.
All spivs tho... the lot I voted for, and the lot you voted for. Every single one of em, regardless of affiliation, end up the same. They may not start out that way, but that’s how they end up.
I think he means the pro-tobacco PR background.TVC15 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:58 pmDo you mean background as in the daughter of someone who once stood for UKIP ?
I find it quite strange when a migrant who was welcomed to this country then decides they have built their cosy little life here and doesn’t want any more migrants coming in.
Yep she’s from real quality stock is our (sorry your) Priti.
OK, I got the figure wrong. It was a long time and what I wrote was all without reference. I put my hand up but the rest is accurate I think.Bosscat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:04 pmI suggest you have a read of this....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War
But to say 3000 were killed on the Belgrano is a tad over the top GD.....
As there were a total of 649 enemy fatalities to our 255 in that sorry conflict.
Except I didn't criticise the sinking, I actually agreed with it if you read what I wrote properly.Rowls wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:54 pm"could have waited a bit longer" - I'm not sure you grasp how bloody and awful war is.
We got very lucky that bad weather prevented the Argentines launching from their aircraft carrier when the British fleet were highly vulnerable to attack.
It was the sinking of the Belgrano that forced their carrier back into port. Without that statement of intent it is highly likely many more young British men would have lost their lives in service.
If anyone wants to criticize the sinking of the Belgrano then they ought to do so in this context rather than a cheap point scoring exercise of regaling us as to what colour Margaret Thatcher may have turned when she was criticized for defending our interests and putting our lives soldiers first.
I never said you criticized the sinking if you read what I wrote properly. I accused you of joyously regaling us with a flippant story about a serious incident.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:10 pmExcept I didn't criticise the sinking, I actually agreed with it if you read what I wrote properly.
If you think that was the thought process among the thousands who decided to vote Conservative then it's little wonder Labour lost.
I've actually been involved in a war. Have you? I got shot in the 'Gulf' befor most people even knew there was a 'Gulf'. Try reading up about the Dhofar rebellion in Oman in the early 70s. Another of Britain's secret wars. We were seconded into the Sultan's army so that Britain could say that had no troops there. I think I know a bit about war and conflict.
Believe me, as a Labour supporter it was very, very amusing and at no point did I make fun of the Falklands war. Quite the reverse in fact.
Was it a head wound ?Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:25 pmI've actually been involved in a war. Have you? I got shot in the 'Gulf' befor most people even knew there was a 'Gulf'. Try reading up about the Dhofar rebellion in Oman in the early 70s. Another of Britain's secret wars. We were seconded into the Sultan's army so that Britain could say that had no troops there. I think I know a bit about war and conflict.
If it was, I recovered to serve in Ireland a few months later, where James Martin Pacelli McGuinness killed three of my mates, including the guy who got me back to my own lines in Oman.
How sad,you must have been inconsolable..Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:35 pmIf it was, I recovered to serve in Ireland a few months later, where James Martin Pacelli McGuinness killed three of my mates, including the guy who got me back to my own lines in Oman.
Life is hard to understand at times. When I was in Oman I believed everything we were told by our officers about the so called rebels. Since then of course, I have learned exactly why they rebelled and regret some of my actions there. As usual, Britain was just protecting it's oil interests and ended up appointing Army officers to top jobs in the Omani government after independence to keep control.conyoviejo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:40 pmHow sad,you must have been inconsolable..
I could never understand the hatred they had for each other. I am Protestant and played most sports for a mainly catholic team and religion was never mentioned. Guess you had to be there to see the hatred in N.Ireland.
Sorry you are so ill. Mental health services are another thing the Tories have run down.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:52 pmYou'll all get a chance to vote them out at the next election, after being in power for 14 years is it. So for the next four years I look forward to seeing how you pour out your vitriol and come up with your snide remarks about the Tories: it certainly makes me smile to feel your pain and envy.