James Tarkowski, at fault for the equaliser!!

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James Tarkowski, at fault for the equaliser!!

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:41 pm

Discuss. As I’m now on my way to work, I’ll just give you my take. Elementary mistake, rooted to the spot when everyone else stepped out. Tarks played Egan onside. There was a big gap between Tarks and the nearest other Burnley player.

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:43 pm

I think it's something we do quite often, which may be why we see so many blocks in the 6yd box? Just a thought.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:50 pm

Bardsley had gone walkabout so leaving space at the back post and Kev Long also failed to block off Egan
A soft goal to give away but its wasnt Tarks fault

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Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:51 pm

Probably my player of the season, won us far more points than he has lost us so for me I think we can let him off if he was at fault. :D
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Post by Sheedyclaret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:57 pm

Was a hell of a finish to be fair and Sheffield utd deserved a point....
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Post by KateR » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:57 pm

if ands and buts, things happen, if some people had scored we would have won, lets not start trying to lame blame and fault after every game. We are doing very well thank you very much.
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Post by FCBurnley » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:04 pm

Sheffield U scored 3 v Spurs yet we restricted them to half chances one of which they converted with a great strike. Tarks was playing with Long and while I am not blaming him at all he is not Ben Mee. A good point won considering our injuries and would have been 3 but for 2 bad misses. A HUGE and very SHORT close season coming up

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Post by conyoviejo » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:16 pm

Maybe we should concentrate on our missed Chances instead of knocking most probably our best player and goal scorer. If the attackers did their job as good as the defence does we would be in the top four.
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Post by Culmclaret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:22 pm

Not Tarkowski. He was taken out by the flick header. If anyone Bardsley or even Pieters should have been keeping an eye on the acres of space occupied by Egan. The sort of situation you would normally expect us to get a block in. All that said it was a great finish.

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Post by ElectroClaret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:27 pm

conyoviejo wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:16 pm
Maybe we should concentrate on our missed Chances instead of knocking most probably our best player and goal scorer. If the attackers did their job as good as the defence does we would be in the top four.
Spot on.
Both Vydra and McNeil should have been on the scoresheet.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:28 pm

https://youtu.be/xR8i7QMSVSE?t=99

The flick on is the hardest thing to defend. Everyone gets attracted to the ball and space opens up in the area.

If you want someone to blame it's who sets us up for corners, we don't follow players out of position. We try and block the ball when they have it. It works most of the time.
Have we got to used to Pope dealing with them? Probably yes.

The link to the video shows a still of the goal just before the flick on to show positioning.

They have done their homework on us. Short corner so Pope can't collect, dink into the middle where they have more players. (We have 5 between the ball and the unmarked player who flicks on) and then the goalscorer peels off at the back where he knows he won't get followed out. Perfect routine against us but takes some pulling off.

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Post by Culmclaret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:43 pm

Quicken is actually right. It is how we set up. Over a season on percentages it works for us
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Post by Top Claret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:33 pm

I thought Long was to blame as he was playing on the right side

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Post by BenWickes » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:44 pm

Whichever way you slice it. The law of averages suggests that with the number of crosses they were whipping in and it was a lot. They were bound to make something of one of them.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:47 pm

Sheff Utd have some of the most inventive set pieces in the PL, newly promoted side or not - they are a very good side, given the depth of our squad I'm happy with the point considering they battered Spurs a few days earlier.

Personally I blame the virus for slowing down our momentum ;)

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Post by Culmclaret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:14 pm

Ben Wickes is also right. However well you defend, if there are that many crosses coming there is likely to be at least one very good chance created.

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:19 pm

I thought Tarks at the time.
He was obviously marking Egan, but got sucked in towards Sharp when they dinked the ball in. The back header just took him out of the picture.
S*^t appens, as they say. Tarks owes us nothing after his season.

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Post by gc14 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:35 pm

We switched off for a second and allowed a short corner to be taken, this meant a defender had to come out to try to close the ball
down which in turn left an attacker free .. Can't say any 1 person at fault maybe a combination of all the defence although it was a well worked
routine .. Possibly Ben Mee would of been more vocal in re-organisimg to deal with the danger ..

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:55 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:19 pm
I thought Tarks at the time.
He was obviously marking Egan, but got sucked in towards Sharp when they dinked the ball in. The back header just took him out of the picture.
S*^t appens, as they say. Tarks owes us nothing after his season.
Take it back, Wood was marking Sharp and just stood watching while Sharp attacked the ball. Chris looked really wooden when he came on, not surprisingly, but he needs these games to get match fit, there being no friendlies available.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:15 pm

Outstanding finish from a centre half. Credit where it’s due.

As for Tarkowski. A player who has saved us many more points than he has lost us. Don’t think he was at fault. But even if he was. So what. Same for McNeils miss.

Incredible that we would want to get on Tarks back. Who was playing on his less favoured side alongside a defender he rarely if ever plays alongside.

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Post by Tribesmen » Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:24 pm

How many times have we only put one player out to cover when there is a short corner ?
How many times has the other side scored also ?

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:32 pm

Thanks for your comments guys. Just wanted to see what other folk thought. I’m not into the blame game myself and Tarks is my favourite player. So agree with the mood of the majority, certainly owes us nothing and to my mind is often our top man. Went to watch him a couple of times at Oldham when we were first linked with him. Just thought our back line is usually more ‘in line’ in most similar settings.

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Post by MT03ALG » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:12 pm

Not sure what Bards was doing 2 yards outside the box unless he was under instructions. Had he been in a natural right back position he would have prevented the goal. Easily said than done.

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:59 pm

I blamed Tarks. He dropped back when everyone else came out together. He was never marking Egan who was onside by two or three players. The one who might have been offside was Sharp, if they had all stayed out but these things happen.
I’d just love to know why he felt he had to drop. A mis-communication or a hunch?

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:04 am

No, if you go back far enough I think it was Charlie Taylor's fault which led to a needless corner.

Actually, if you go back far enough you will find that it is Sean Dyche's fault for getting us into the Premier League in the first place.
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Post by tim_noone » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:36 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:04 am
No, if you go back far enough I think it was Charlie Taylor's fault which led to a needless corner.

Actually, if you go back far enough you will find that it is Sean Dyche's fault for getting us into the Premier League in the first place.
I'm going back as far as December....Tarkowski..go on Son!!

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Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:58 am

The flicked gender could have gone anywhere, as it was flicked backwards, a la Seeler. Defenders unable to read that.

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:57 am

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:41 pm
Discuss. As I’m now on my way to work, I’ll just give you my take. Elementary mistake, rooted to the spot when everyone else stepped out. Tarks played Egan onside. There was a big gap between Tarks and the nearest other Burnley player.
How will we punish him?......Forget all the goals he's saved... damn it!.........It's HIS fault.

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Post by claret54 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:04 am

Sheedyclaret wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:57 pm
Was a hell of a finish to be fair and Sheffield utd deserved a point....
No they didn't. We created the better chances. Looked like another 1-0. Apart from 1st minute Pope had little to do. Their keeper was much busier and of course we had those 2 great chances we didn't take. But it's a game we deserved to win.

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Post by BenWickes » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:16 am

claret54 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:04 am
No they didn't. We created the better chances. Looked like another 1-0. Apart from 1st minute Pope had little to do. Their keeper was much busier and of course we had those 2 great chances we didn't take. But it's a game we deserved to win.
You weren't watching the same game as me then. The number of balls they were pumping into the box was a worry even before half time. As I said above. The law of averages suggests one was going to come off and it did. We were sitting deeper and deeper and allowing them to do it rather than being proactive. You could see an equaliser coming and it's no more than they deserved.

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Post by Hipper » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:45 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:28 pm
https://youtu.be/xR8i7QMSVSE?t=99

The flick on is the hardest thing to defend. Everyone gets attracted to the ball and space opens up in the area.

If you want someone to blame it's who sets us up for corners, we don't follow players out of position. We try and block the ball when they have it. It works most of the time.
Have we got to used to Pope dealing with them? Probably yes.

The link to the video shows a still of the goal just before the flick on to show positioning.

They have done their homework on us. Short corner so Pope can't collect, dink into the middle where they have more players. (We have 5 between the ball and the unmarked player who flicks on) and then the goalscorer peels off at the back where he knows he won't get followed out. Perfect routine against us but takes some pulling off.
I fully agree. The camera angle was great and you could see what was going to happen. It was an excellent flick on by Sharp. I think he knew what he was doing - an excellent goal.

Our goal was also excellent and also a flick on. What was interesting was the half-time debate in the studio where McBurnie was blamed for not marking Tarkowski well enough. I thought that was harsh as he had his work cut out.

Souness said McBurnie should have positioned himself so that he could see Tarkowski and the ball. Tough enough to do in any case as Tarks was obviously going to move about and be a bit physical. However on top of that, and Souness never pointed this out, was that United kept a line for offside, and furthermore, our normal free kick is, in this case, for Tarkowski to peel away at the back and then head the ball accross to the danger zone. Instead and unusually we employed the flick on.

An intriguing game between two differently set up but very competent sides. I thought Sheffield United looked just a bit more capable but that was probably due to the absence of Ben Mee who we missed greatly all over the pitch. He'll be a big miss for the rest of the season and as he seems to be the foundation of the team.

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Post by Bacupboy » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:42 pm

I'm sure Dyche will have something to say. His comments to the team will mean more than all ours put together.

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Post by dougcollins » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:36 pm

We've always been bobbins at short corners. If I was an opposing scout it would be the first thing I would recommend.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:23 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:36 pm
We've always been bobbins at short corners. If I was an opposing scout it would be the first thing I would recommend.
You are not wrong. We don't break our shape to mark the receiver near the corner.

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Post by bodge » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:36 pm

It was used against us a lot last season with the ball reversed back and then whipped in for example Newcastle's second at the Turf.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:39 pm

bodge wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:36 pm
It was used against us a lot last season with the ball reversed back and then whipped in for example Newcastle's second at the Turf.
I suppose that if we send a player out there to mark up they just ping it long and wee are a man short in the middle?

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Post by tiger76 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:45 pm

If Tarks was at fault for the goal, and that's debatable, it was the only thing he did wrong in the whole game, sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition, and they'd clearly worked on that corner routine, and it showed, they executed it brilliantly.

How anyone can say they didn't deserve a point beats me, they were probably the better team 1st half, and 2nd half they kept pushing and probing, our only real chance of note was Dwight's, and if he buries that, then it's game over, but these things happen in football, i sensed when he blazed wide, that they'd go up the other end and equalise, we've done the same to many teams down the years, so we can't complain, when it happens to us.
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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:51 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:45 pm
If Tarks was at fault for the goal, and that's debatable, it was the only thing he did wrong in the whole game, sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition, and they'd clearly worked on that corner routine, and it showed, they executed it brilliantly.

How anyone can say they didn't deserve a point beats me, they were probably the better team 1st half, and 2nd half they kept pushing and probing, our only real chance of note was Dwight's, and if he buries that, then it's game over, but these things happen in football, i sensed when he blazed wide, that they'd go up the other end and equalise, we've done the same to many teams down the years, so we can't complain, when it happens to us.
They should have had that early penalty, and had they scored I don't think we'd have got back level. Sheffield Utd are a very good, well organised team. All credit to them.

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Post by tiger76 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:51 pm
They should have had that early penalty, and had they scored I don't think we'd have got back level. Sheffield Utd are a very good, well organised team. All credit to them.
Forgot about the penalty shout, yes we got away with one there, equally we could point to Vydra's chance early on as well, so on balance a point each was fair i'd say, two well-matched teams, as you'd expect when 10th meets 8th, it was always going to be nip and tuck, and so it proved.

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