Burnley - No Gibson recall

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:16 pm

no surprise really

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... risis.html

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:18 pm

Burnley decide not to recall record signing Ben Gibson despite defensive injury crisis as captain Ben Mee is ruled out for remainder of the season
By JACK GAUGHAN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 16:00, 6 July 2020 | UPDATED: 16:01, 6 July 2020

Burnley are unlikely to recall club-record signing Ben Gibson from exile despite possessing only two fit central defenders.

Sean Dyche’s injury concerns worsened over the weekend when captain Ben Mee was ruled out for the remainder of the season with a thigh problem.

It leaves James Tarkowski and Kevin Long as Dyche’s only senior options at centre half. Sunday’s 1-1 draw with Sheffield United was Long’s first Premier League start since 2018.

Only a dramatic shift in circumstances would see Gibson’s return, however, after a breakdown in relationship with the club earlier this season.

The 27-year-old has made just one league appearance for the Clarets since a £15million move from Middlesbrough two years ago and quickly became frustrated with a lack of opportunities.

That came to a head this season when disagreements with staff saw Gibson train away from the club.

The former England Under 21 international had been training with boyhood club Boro under Jonathan Woodgate, although that arrangement is understood to have come to an end.

Burnley, who continue to pay Gibson’s wages worth around £40,000 a week, turned down a loan offer from Watford in January. He still has two years remaining on his contract.

Meanwhile, Burnley’s academy were granted a Category 1 status on Monday following a rapid restructuring over the last three years since the development of Barnfield Training Centre.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:21 pm

Recall from what?
He’s not on loan and he’s no longer training at Boro so it sounds like he’s sat doing nothing whilst collecting a wage

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:24 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:21 pm
Recall from what?
He’s not on loan and he’s no longer training at Boro so it sounds like he’s sat doing nothing whilst collecting a wage

Exactly.

Furthermore, if we did pick him to be involved and he refused, would that not be a breach of contract?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:30 pm

Surely we're not paying him ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:34 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:30 pm
Surely we're not paying him ?

I'm not sure how many threads we need on this subject but of course we are paying him, he's under contract. We've taken the decision to remove him for the overall benefit of our club and squad, simple as that. We can't sack him, we can just tell him to stay away.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:36 pm

it is a head scratcher for me and simply does not compute but then again we don't have all the details and he himself seems to be keeping very quiet about all this, which is probably a good thing but have to admit I would love to know what he is thinking right now.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:37 pm

I'd leave him to rot if we could, but i'm well aware that's not practical, and we can't afford to just let a multi-million £ asset run down his contract, so hopefully over the summer we manage to offload him, and at least get some money back, plus get his wages off the bill, it's clear that his and BFC'S relationship has broken down beyond repair, and it's just a question of sorting the terms of the divorce.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:34 pm
I'm not sure how many threads we need on this subject but of course we are paying him, he's under contract. We've taken the decision to remove him for the overall benefit of our club and squad, simple as that. We can't sack him, we can just tell him to stay away.

Does a Premier League player's contract not contain obligations the player must fulfil, such as training when fit to do so.?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:34 pm
I'm not sure how many threads we need on this subject but of course we are paying him, he's under contract. We've taken the decision to remove him for the overall benefit of our club and squad, simple as that. We can't sack him, we can just tell him to stay away.

As he's paid by Burnley FC to work for Burnley FC I'd have him re-painting the parts of the ground that need it, cleaning the toilets if they need it, washing players cars etc etc. No need to pay him for not contributing

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:41 pm

I’ve just seen a rare photo of him, not only of him in a Burnley shirt, but also wearing the captains armband

Maybe I should track him down and get him to sign it. It’ll be worth a fortune

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:45 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:40 pm
Does a Premier League player's contract not contain obligations the player must fulfil, such as training when fit to do so.?

We have made the decision for him to go - he's not failing any contract obligations, we don't want him there.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:34 pm
I'm not sure how many threads we need on this subject but of course we are paying him, he's under contract. We've taken the decision to remove him for the overall benefit of our club and squad, simple as that. We can't sack him, we can just tell him to stay away.

Obviously there's stuff we don't know or can't discuss openly, but for the relationship to break down so completely he must have done something against the interests of his employers ?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:48 pm

I have to admit, when we signed him he appeared the right sort and the last player who'd end up falling out and being asked to stay away. Just didn't seem the type but there you go.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:48 pm

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:47 pm
Obviously there's stuff we don't know or can't discuss openly, but for the relationship to break down so completely he must have done something against the interests of his employers ?

unless he has breached his contract which he clearly hasn't, the club has made the decision - he's now enjoying a 40k per week holiday

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:54 pm

Isn't there a rule that says a player can leave a club after a certain period if he hasn't played a number of matches during a specific period?

I can't imagine a club could sign a player, say on a five year contract, not play him or allow him to train thus basically ending his footballing career.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:55 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:54 pm
Isn't there a rule that says a player can leave a club after a certain period if he hasn't played a number of matches during a specific period?

No

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:58 pm

Unbelievable and now you know why the chairman is at logger heads with Dyche over money - this cannot and should not be allowed to happen again

claretbob · Post by **claretbob** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:02 pm

If you look at our results since Gibson left the club you have to say it’s been a master stroke and the extra money generated, never mind avoiding relegation, had easily covered his wages. Our success is based on a harmonious team spirit and any bad eggs need moving out fast whatever the short term pain. To my 5 year old the names Gibson and Drinkwater are the ultimate swear words. He can’t believe they are still allowed a Panini sticker!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:08 pm

Others have noted the results improved once those two swear words were removed from our squad.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:09 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:58 pm
Unbelievable and now you know why the chairman is at logger heads with Dyche over money - this cannot and should not be allowed to happen again

What is unbelievable is your suggestion that chairman and manager are at loggerheads over it - it's happened, it happens at other clubs and the chairman fully supported the decision.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:15 pm

Just need to get him off the wage bill this summer, accept we'll make a loss and move on.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:15 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:54 pm
Isn't there a rule that says a player can leave a club after a certain period if he hasn't played a number of matches during a specific period?

I can't imagine a club could sign a player, say on a five year contract, not play him or allow him to train thus basically ending his footballing career.

Remember Winston Bogarde at Chelsea?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:16 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:15 pm
Just need to get him off the wage bill this summer, accept we'll make a loss and move on.

I think that will be the intention if we can do it. He has no future at Burnley under the current structure, he doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:17 pm

I don’t know what happened, but I’d like to know more. Trouble is those who know won’t speak, and those that speak don’t know

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:19 pm

and then I was just wondering if at the end of the season based on results will he be entitled to a bonus just to compound the issue, I don't think bonuses would be linked to appearances either. Fortunately for us I believe a very rare instance of this happening and hopefully some contractual clauses will be inserted in the future and will have definitely Lessons Learned to apply. It is what it is, the divorce terminology applied by someone seems very apt in terms of, an acrimonious divorce.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:19 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:17 pm
I don’t know what happened, but I’d like to know more. Trouble is those who know won’t speak, and those that speak don’t know

Best just to let it go. The manager said it was private and unique and it should stay like that.

Something far more important than Gibson today
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48279

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:20 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:17 pm
I don’t know what happened, but I’d like to know more. Trouble is those who know won’t speak, and those that speak don’t know

Indeed. At a guess, the club thought he was bad for morale, if he was complaining at not being picked.

There may well be more to it than that though.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:19 pm
Best just to let it go. The manager said it was private and unique and it should stay like that.

Something far more important than Gibson today
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48279

It's a bit difficult to "just let it go" when we are in the situation we are with lack of bodies - the fans deserve to know why such extreme measures have been taken. Our joint record signing, who was seemingly a very decent character up until a few months ago, will never play for the club again yet is continuing to pick up £40k a week.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:36 pm

Jimmy Dunne was on the bench so we have 3 fit cbs

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:37 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:35 pm
the fans deserve to know why such extreme measures have been taken

That's where I totally disagree with you. The manager has already said it is a private and unique matter, I don't think a private matter is the business of any fan.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:37 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:36 pm
Jimmy Dunne was on the bench so we have 3 fit cbs

As was Bobby Thomas

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:37 pm
That's where I totally disagree with you. The manager has already said it is a private and unique matter, I don't think a private matter is the business of any fan.

That's fine - we can disagree.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:39 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:38 pm
That's fine - we can disagree.

Not a disagreement - it is only right and proper that a private matter is a private matter.

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:46 pm

Don't think Sean Dyche is the type to air his dirty linen in public. He conducts himself so professionally. It'll stay in-house as it should. If nothing else, that should earn some respect from Gibson as lesser managers would have acted differently.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:49 pm

For a club like ours that constantly pleads poverty to not want him around the place whilst paying 40k week means he must have done something terrible or have the worst attitude ever. Threadbare squad and we still don’t want him back. Need to get rid ASAP as his stock value is going down. May put many other clubs off.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:19 pm
Best just to let it go. The manager said it was private and unique and it should stay like that.

Something far more important than Gibson today
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48279

I shall do, consider it done.

It is good news about the Academy Status

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:51 pm

A better explanation would be warranted other than ‘it’s a private matter’ due to him being a record signing. It’s like Remco van der Shaaf all over again but at a much higher cost.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:53 pm

We don't know all the details or what is true or not.

I can't honestly believe he's up in M'boro without good reason (bad reason rather). I go with the club.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:58 pm

I’ve never heard of a manager going to such details about the characters of players to then have his record signing being told to stay away from the club. It’s brilliantly hilarious.

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:02 pm

Blackrod wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:51 pm
A better explanation would be warranted other than ‘it’s a private matter’ due to him being a record signing. It’s like Remco van der Shaaf all over again but at a much higher cost.

Why? The club have acted with great integrity. It's not for the club to explain to fans. All you need to know is it didn't work out. They're painfully aware that it's a financial situation that didn't work out. The board and Sean Dyche are not answerable to the fans. I was a manager and my door was always open to anyone with work or personal problems, but if an employee had to be disciplined. That door was shut, no other employee need know he/she was reprimanded and certainly the customers needn't know the what's, why's and wherefore's of what that person did. That was between myself and him/her. Dealt with in house. Nothing to do with anyone else. Man management goes a long way, even when it doesn't work out. There can be a multitude of reasons, possibly personal. We all know how quickly social media grabs that and runs. Twisting things. It's possible he is just a bad egg also but still no reason to open this to all and sundry.

ChristheViking · Post by **ChristheViking** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:04 pm

He should have been told to report back after the lockdown. He doesn't have to train with the first team if that's really so egregious.

End of the day though he's a 15m asset that we have to get something back on especially if the cash that the manager wants/needs may not be there - again.

The economics of this should be speaking louder than the personal issues. We can't afford to write off 15m. If nothing else we're missing maybe the last opportunity to get him in the shop window.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:12 pm

Blackrod wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:49 pm
For a club like ours that constantly pleads poverty to not want him around the place whilst paying 40k week means he must have done something terrible or have the worst attitude ever. Threadbare squad and we still don’t want him back. Need to get rid ASAP as his stock value is going down. May put many other clubs off.

I doubt it, he'll be an excellent signing for someone this summer. Pick up a very good defender on the cheap who is still relatively young and has a massive point to prove.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:14 pm

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:02 pm
Why? The club have acted with great integrity. It's not for the club to explain to fans. All you need to know is it didn't work out. They're painfully aware that it's a financial situation that didn't work out. The board and Sean Dyche are not answerable to the fans. I was a manager and my door was always open to anyone with work or personal problems, but if an employee had to be disciplined. That door was shut, no other employee need know he/she was reprimanded and certainly the customers needn't know the what's, why's and wherefore's of what that person did. That was between myself and him/her. Dealt with in house. Nothing to do with anyone else. Man management goes a long way, even when it doesn't work out. There can be a multitude of reasons, possibly personal. We all know how quickly social media grabs that and runs. Twisting things. It's possible he is just a bad egg also but still no reason to open this to all and sundry.

I get this but with a football club you are talking about an expensive asset that is being left to rot. When we were not in the PL the club was desperate for money from fans. There should be some sort of financial accountability to fans. If we were a PLC we would have to disclose further information. It’s not just a free transfer that is homesick or who has had a bustup in the training ground. I accept others have different views though.

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:21 pm

Blackrod wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:14 pm
I get this but with a football club you are talking about an expensive asset that is being left to rot. When we were not in the PL the club was desperate for money from fans. There should be some sort of financial accountability to fans. If we were a PLC we would have to disclose further information. It’s not just a free transfer that is homesick or who has had a bustup in the training ground. I accept others have different views though.

He's not being left to rot though. As I say. It's a situation which didn't work out. We could have done what other club manager's do and force him to train with the under 18's and make it a big public story. No. We sent him back to his hometown club, quietly; where he can still train. That is good management and allows us to focus on us while he can still resurrect his career. Having him around the group could have been detrimental to both him and our players. Sensibly dealt with. No need for explanations. One day, if Gibson has anything about him will understand that it didn't work out but we did him and his career a favour while maintaining our close knit brotherhood at the club. Some things are more important than money. In any case, we've not paid £15 million for him up front so it's just one of those things. Sometimes in football it just doesn't work out.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:21 pm

Needs loaning out to as high a level as possible to get him in the shop window and sold , anything else is just petty and self defeating and a black hole in the finances.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:27 pm

I wonder if we’ve paid the 40k a week on time

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:29 pm

We had 2 players that were “disillusioned” at the perceived why they were being treated and lack of playing time.

Vydra, although making some comments in the press, has worked hard, shown what he can do and has grabbed his opportunity when it arose

Gibson appears to have sulked and whined and now missed out on the chance of seeing out the season and staking a claim to be a first choice

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:31 pm

Anyone find it odd that Boro don't want him training there either ?
Yes it's a poor situation as far as we're concerned but Gibson certainly isn't doing his career prospects much good either.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:32 pm

Blackrod wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:14 pm
I get this but with a football club you are talking about an expensive asset that is being left to rot. When we were not in the PL the club was desperate for money from fans. There should be some sort of financial accountability to fans. If we were a PLC we would have to disclose further information. It’s not just a free transfer that is homesick or who has had a bustup in the training ground. I accept others have different views though.

Even a PLC is not allowed to make statements as to the disciplinary actions it has taken for individual members of staff. If those details do come out it is usually either the staff member discussing it or 'leaks'. The company should not even inform a prospective new employer of the details of personnel issues.