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Re: Matty Cash

Post by HB Claret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:07 am

Not much need for cash these days everyone seems to prefer contactless.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:19 am

BenWickes wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:48 am
Admittedly only from YouTube footage but he looks like he has potential. Not the finished article by any means. I like the fact he's prepared to drive into central midfield if he sees space open up for him. I think he's more likely to be one for the future and will have to bide his time. Which makes (if true) the £15 million more surprising. That said. It's a short window and we have to show some intent as mentioned above.
That’s exactly what I thought. “He’d get away with that in the championship but bummed all over in the Prem”

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by MACCA » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:28 pm
That’s a far better understanding of how we work than the responses you got from MACCA.
Of course it would be, but come the end of next week, or when the window shuts, I'll be the one whose right again.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:24 am

claretandy wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:41 am
Florist fans saying they are well stacked in the centre half position, but they would take Vydra.
I bet they would!

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by taffy » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:37 am

I can't see Gibson being part of the deal, we would still have to pay the £7.5 mil still owing to boro if he went to forest. If vydra was part of the deal that would make more sense

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:41 am

Surely lowton is part of the deal. Every other player in the squad (apart from Gibson) is indespensible

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by mkmel » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:56 am

I am hoping that Ben Gibson can be used as a bargaining tool to sign Dael Fry of Middlesbrough

Lowton + cash for Cash

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by mdd2 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:03 am

I doubt Dael Fry would come here given what he is likely to have been told by Gibson unless as a way of getting back to Boro Gibson has been more mature about it and reflected on his behaviour which seems most unlikely at his age

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by NewClaret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:17 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:19 am
That’s exactly what I thought. “He’d get away with that in the championship but bummed all over in the Prem”
Yes, noticed a few of those occasions myself. Though these video montages try to capture all the little skills, turns, etc - hoping they’re very infrequent and only performed when the game allows, because they wouldn’t come off in the Prem and you get punished for the smallest of mistakes.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by NewClaret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:22 am

Had got myself excited when I heard it was a journalist leak. Thought it was a local Nottingham journalist or something - not an “ex journalist” with 600 followers on Twitter. Seems less likely now. None of the mainstream media have picked up on it.

With Lowton and Bardsley for next season, whilst an obvious place we need to resolve long-term, I wouldn’t have it down as a priority and £15m must blow the majority of the transfer budget?

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by MACCA » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:43 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:22 am
Had got myself excited when I heard it was a journalist leak. Thought it was a local Nottingham journalist or something - not an “ex journalist” with 600 followers on Twitter. Seems less likely now. None of the mainstream media have picked up on it.

With Lowton and Bardsley for next season, whilst an obvious place we need to resolve long-term, I wouldn’t have it down as a priority and £15m must blow the majority of the transfer budget?
How dare you, BurnleyPaul knows far better how the club works.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:52 am

With talk of Deeney, SD might think including Vydra in the deal is good. I wouldn't. I'd rather have Vydra than Cash, without the mention of including money in this as well. If anything, it would be Vydra for Cash + cash!

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by NewClaret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:02 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:52 am
With talk of Deeney, SD might think including Vydra in the deal is good. I wouldn't. I'd rather have Vydra than Cash, without the mention of including money in this as well. If anything, it would be Vydra for Cash + cash!
I wouldn’t sanction any deal involving Vydra. If the deal requires Vydra they can keep Cash. If we lost Vydra and got Deeney as his replaced him with Deeney that would be a double whammy!

We have one striker that can get in behind. We need to keep him.
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Re: Matty Cash

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:03 am

mkmel wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:56 am
I am hoping that Ben Gibson can be used as a bargaining tool to sign Dael Fry of Middlesbrough

Why? Have you been impressed with Fry over the past season?

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:08 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:02 am
I wouldn’t sanction any deal involving Vydra. If the deal requires Vydra they can keep Cash. If we lost Vydra and got Deeney as his replaced him with Deeney that would be a double whammy!

We have one striker that can get in behind. We need to keep him.
All of our strikers have proven that they can ‘get in behind’.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by mkmel » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:16 am

From what I have read Fry is a good central defender who has plenty of potential to become a very good one

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by NewClaret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:46 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:08 am
All of our strikers have proven that they can ‘get in behind’.
Have they? Not regularly for sure.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:51 am

mkmel wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:16 am
From what I have read Fry is a good central defender who has plenty of potential to become a very good one
I live in the NE, and Boro fans would love us to take Fry, they'd even pay for the fare.
He had a good season previous one, this last season he's been like the rest of the Boro team, less than average. He gets a lot of the blame from a section of fans. It's a big step from championship to Prem, and it's possible to impress in a losing team, but he hasn't.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:00 pm

Just because Fry has had a poor season doesn’t make him a poor player. He’s obviously got potential so now might be exactly the time to pick him up if we want him. If we’re waiting for him or another young player to have an outstanding season we’ll probably be priced out of any move.

Cash would be a good signing too by the way, but you can see how expensive a player from the championship is who’s just had a top season.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by NewClaret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:12 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:51 am
I live in the NE, and Boro fans would love us to take Fry, they'd even pay for the fare.
He had a good season previous one, this last season he's been like the rest of the Boro team, less than average. He gets a lot of the blame from a section of fans. It's a big step from championship to Prem, and it's possible to impress in a losing team, but he hasn't.
That’s what I’d heard as well - bang average this season.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by mkmel » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:36 pm

I read somewhere that Woodgate's tactics affected him but with the right coach he could fulfill his potential and good form of the previous season

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:38 pm

mkmel wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:16 am
From what I have read Fry is a good central defender who has plenty of potential to become a very good one
Not according to those who have been watching him all season

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:05 pm

Westwood, Barnes, Lowton, Mee, Trippier, Gudmonsson, Keane, Pope - all players released and signed for little or no money who have benefitted from a good coaching team.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by mdd2 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:13 pm

I wouldn't call the signings of any of those for little or no money at the time we spent it. No idea what Westy cost, Barnes was £700k ish in the season we had to sell Austin and had just got in Heaton Jones and Arfield on free with Kights on a season long loan, so assume we were strapped for cash. Wasn't Lowton 1 million, Mee and Tripps were about 200 or 400k each and a low price because of sell on clauses at a time when our club under Eddie was having to slash costs, Gudmonsson and Pope were said to be £3million and Keane a few million-all of course have been great assets and many would bring in more than we paid for then if they left today

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:20 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:05 pm
Westwood, Barnes, Lowton, Mee, Trippier, Gudmonsson, Keane, Pope - all players released and signed for little or no money who have benefitted from a good coaching team.
Spot on. There is far more to signing players than just looking at the top scorers charts or which players the fans think are good. I wonder how many of the fans of those players previous clubs would have raved about them before we bought them.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by mdd2 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm

Just realised Ward was missing of that as of course Ings Austin and Vokes

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:27 pm

Fry is nowhere near good enough, he's not fast enough for the PL from the games I've seen him play in the championship and also the cup games against PL opposition

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Andy J » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:06 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm
Just realised Ward was missing of that as of course Ings Austin and Vokes
Airfield too. The list goes on!

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Andy J » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:07 pm

Andy J wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:06 pm
Airfield too. The list goes on!
Arfield!!!!

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:43 pm

Just watched his highlights reel on YouTube, he looks slightly better than Lowton, would definitely not be spending £15m on him , there must be a better right back in Europe for a better price

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:11 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:43 pm
Just watched his highlights reel on YouTube, he looks slightly better than Lowton, would definitely not be spending £15m on him , there must be a better right back in Europe for a better price
Always a good idea to judge a players career off a you tube highlights package. Makes you wonder the point of having a scouting system these days.
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Re: Matty Cash

Post by agreenwood » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:25 pm

It’s weird that a google search doesn’t reveal a single story written by this “journalist of 25 years”.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:39 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:25 pm
It’s weird that a google search doesn’t reveal a single story written by this “journalist of 25 years”.
I only seen the tweet from other people.

I've no idea who he is. Just showing who was the reported sauce.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:14 am

Apparently Southampton are very keen on Matty aswell

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:06 am

The Southampton link, as tenuous so far as ours, usually leads to somebody on here posting “he’s signing/signed for Southampton”.

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:10 am

Southampton link tweeted by Nixon who is probably more reliable than the bloke who linked him with us!

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:18 am

If he's as good as people are saying, then half the premier league will be in for him.
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Re: Matty Cash

Post by MACCA » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:36 am

Cant really say I've seen him much, possibly 2 games on sky, and he seems to always be very advanced. However never stood out good or bad, so not sure on him myself.

Saying that I watched Bogle of Derby twice after our links with him, and he looked awful.

I'm sure whoever we go for will have been thoroughly checked out on every level.
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Post by jojomk1 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:52 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:10 am
Southampton link tweeted by Nixon who is probably more reliable than the bloke who linked him with us!
They are also trying to get Walker Peters from Spurs which would seem more obvious after his loan to them in Jan

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by NewClaret » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:23 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:36 am
Cant really say I've seen him much, possibly 2 games on sky, and he seems to always be very advanced. However never stood out good or bad, so not sure on him myself.

Saying that I watched Bogle of Derby twice after our links with him, and he looked awful.

I'm sure whoever we go for will have been thoroughly checked out on every level.
Always hard to say with young Championship players. Sure the likes of Robertson received the same uncertainty in the past. I do think at £15m it’s a gamble though, especially as I’d rather we sign a right winger/more midfield cover this summer whilst we have Lowton & Bardsley.

Someone on Twitter said we were in for Clyne. I’d forgotten he was free! Think that would be a better call for a few years until Trippier returns from Spain!!

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:35 pm

Personally I thought the whole point of resigning Bardsley was so we didn't have to worry about right back for another 12 months? With money being tight I can't see the logic in us carrying 3 right backs in the squad, all on decent money.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by warksclaret » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:42 pm

Suspect we will move one on-probably Lowton,if we got a right back. But makes more sense getting someone who can play RB and also CH. Not saying Dawson,and Gomez of Liverpool but someone like them

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by warksclaret » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:43 pm

Suspect we will move one on-probably Lowton,if we got a right back. But makes more sense getting someone who can play RB and also CH. Not saying Dawson,and Gomez of Liverpool but someone like them

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by DCWat » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:53 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:35 pm
Personally I thought the whole point of resigning Bardsley was so we didn't have to worry about right back for another 12 months? With money being tight I can't see the logic in us carrying 3 right backs in the squad, all on decent money.
12 months in and around the squad is often Dyche's approach to a new signing. With that in mind, now would probably be the ideal time to sign someone.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:21 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:23 pm
Someone on Twitter said we were in for Clyne. I’d forgotten he was free! Think that would be a better call for a few years until Trippier returns from Spain!!
Clyne hasn’t played in 14 months since he was on loan at Bournemouth. He’s since suffered a cruciate ligament injury.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:23 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:11 pm
Always a good idea to judge a players career off a you tube highlights package. Makes you wonder the point of having a scouting system these days.
Obv, although if that highlights package was his best bits from last season id be very underwhelmed, seems decent certainly but not a stand out player demanding a £15m fee but what do I know lol

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:55 pm

On reading up about Cash evidently he started out as a winger/right sided midfielder. Could we perhaps be thinking of buying him to use him like that with either Bardsley or Lowton remaining at full back for another season.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Rowls » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:00 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:55 pm
On reading up about Cash evidently he started out as a winger/right sided midfielder. Could we perhaps be thinking of buying him to use him like that with either Bardsley or Lowton remaining at full back for another season.
It's another bow to his string but we're surely looking at him as a right back. We've been in the market for a right back in at least the past two transfer windows.

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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Marney&Mee » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:21 pm
Clyne hasn’t played in 14 months since he was on loan at Bournemouth. He’s since suffered a cruciate ligament injury.
We’d be better off with Calvin Klein...
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Re: Matty Cash

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:54 pm

Marney&Mee wrote:
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We’d be better off with Calvin Klein...
Okay I'll say it. According to all the reports i have read he's just pants.

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