• Potential Targets From Bottom Prem Teams

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:45 pm**

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:54 pm
Is on £70k pw basic and looking for a deal to the end of his playing career - most West Ham fans desparate to sell as they feel he only turns up for a few games each season

Don't know where you get that info from regarding Antonio, I'm yet to hear a single WHU fan on any of their fan channels be anything other than complimentary about his work ethic - his injuries are a different matter. In fact, it's completely the opposite, they often comment on how they want all their players to be like him and Snodgrass in terms of effort

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:47 pm**

Right now with everything going on I think 40m for Tarks is about right. Based on that, Hanley is nowhere near 30m, he's not even a quarter of the player...and he's a bast***.

Where's the rumour from? Was it a wind up!

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:51 pm**

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:47 pm
Right now with everything going on I think 40m for Tarks is about right. Based on that, Hanley is nowhere near 30m, he's not even a quarter of the player...and he's a bast***.

Where's the rumour from? Was it a wind up!

Norwich are apparently asking 50 million for Ben Godfrey and you think Tarks is about right at 40.................

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:57 pm**

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:19 pm
Are you sure you have got the right player ? He only cost Norwich £5m and he’s gone even further backwards since then.
Even in the mad world of football I would be amazed if Norwich would be looking for £30 million for him - nearer to £3m and they’d be lucky to get that. Awful player.

He was rumoured to be going on loan to Blackburn last year !

I apologize, it was Cantwell, sorry for that, doh!!

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:04 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:57 pm
I apologize, it was Cantwell, sorry for that, doh!!

That’s ok !
We can agree Hanley is worth 3 quid then

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:05 pm**

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:04 pm
That’s ok !
We can agree Hanley is worth 3 quid then

maybe with a twix as a sign on bonus.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:31 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:51 pm
Norwich are apparently asking 50 million for Ben Godfrey and you think Tarks is about right at 40.................

I'd guess they're over pricing him knowing if they start high then they're likely to get a better figure than he's worth. Why not? It's not what he's worth but to them he may be. Probably settle for £15-£25 million after negotiations and throwing in a youngster. If they get £50 million for him then Tarkowski's value just shot up to immeasurable levels.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:36 pm**

I think from the things I have heard there will be no cut priced players available from the top 2 divisions, like some predicted due to the C-19 and issues. Plus it will be in how contracts were signed in terms of what happens to wages if relegation should happen, same every year really, Fulham, AV providing ample proof that just throwing money at the PL when promoted is not a sure way to stay in the PL.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:44 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:31 pm
I'd guess they're over pricing him knowing if they start high then they're likely to get a better figure than he's worth. Why not? It's not what he's worth but to them he may be. Probably settle for £15-£25 million after negotiations and throwing in a youngster. If they get £50 million for him then Tarkowski's value just shot up to immeasurable levels.

the last sentence was my point, I agree with you though !

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:45 pm**

I wanted Antonio when he was at Sheff W. but that ship has sailed a 30yo londoner back down South would be reluctant to ship all his family back North and I’d doubt we can afford him.
We don’t need FBs, either side.
With our flexible players a fourth CB and a true RW are our only gaps, unless Matty V leaves.
Despite his DD incident I like Holmes at Derby for our right side. A workhorse with just enough ability on the ball.
No personal favourite for CB but there are plenty out there.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:46 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:36 pm
I think from the things I have heard there will be no cut priced players available from the top 2 divisions, like some predicted due to the C-19 and issues. Plus it will be in how contracts were signed in terms of what happens to wages if relegation should happen, same every year really, Fulham, AV providing ample proof that just throwing money at the PL when promoted is not a sure way to stay in the PL.

Villa didn't really have much choice, they got promoted with a team of loanee's and players who's contracts finished last season, they lost something like 16 players at the end of last season. Sure as **** they haven't spent their money very well and looked completely screwed

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:56 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:46 pm
Villa didn't really have much choice, they got promoted with a team of loanee's and players who's contracts finished last season, they lost something like 16 players at the end of last season. Sure as **** they haven't spent their money very well and looked completely screwed

true but they could have offered out of contract players the chance for PL and maybe kept a couple of the loan players plus buying a couple that helped them get to the PL. Its as though they just discounted most of them and bought a new squad after saying blank piece of paper around JG and we will be fine, all around Yearly Business planning with the recruitment at the heart of it to make the Yearly Plan viable. A valuable lesson learned in how not to do it, they obviously ignored Fulham in terms of the risks within the strategy and Yearly Plan. As SD keeps saying, it is getting the right players within the team to play as a team, rather than individuals.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:08 pm**

Tarky is better than Maguire, his fee should be the benchmark.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:11 pm**

Ideally we're looking as an absolute priority a RW. Ideally, a holding, no nonsense midfielder who can pick a pass, read the game, challenge, basically hold the midfield more and give us breathing space. A CH is also needed but less a priority. I'd chance on Lallana simply because he can play right sided midfield, his kids are 5 and 7 and settled at primary. Liverpool have guaranteed they won't play him. He'd undoubtedly prefer to stay local so the kids don't have an upheaval. Ok, it's not a huge drive to Leicester but with Hart's wages off the outgoings...
Injury risk, potentially; but isn't there that with every player? He's a talented player and I think he'd give us options creatively. Can we afford him? I just think he'd link so well. I'd like another keeper, Tim Krul for me, with a sneaky eye on up and coming CH's and full backs from the Championship. Eliasson or Samuel also possible as alternatives to Lallana. Both clubs are not cash rich

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:16 pm**

I'd really like Lallana but think the odds of it happening are extremely slim. Regarding kids, SD has managed being apart for his for longer than Lallana would be plaing, so while it's a preferred option not one that will sway the payment and chance of European football elsewhere, when the dust has settled in a couple of weeks.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:24 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:51 pm
Norwich are apparently asking 50 million for Ben Godfrey and you think Tarks is about right at 40.................

Asking for 50m and getting 50m are two very different things!

I still think a team will get Tarks for 40-50m.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:27 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:16 pm
I'd really like Lallana but think the odds of it happening are extremely slim. Regarding kids, SD has managed being apart for his for longer than Lallana would be plaing, so while it's a preferred option not one that will sway the payment and chance of European football elsewhere, when the dust has settled in a couple of weeks.

I take your point. Not sure from what I have been reading he is so bothered about European football as just playing it. I wasn't referring to distance of Lallana's travel. More the upheaval of moving his kids from the northwest to the midlands. His kids have just started primary, or only a year or two in. Lots of considerations at his age outside of football. I know it's not that much further, but making new friends, new house, neighbourhood at their age and his. Just think possibly he may not fancy moving them. Then again he is from the south. It's just things everyone takes into consideration when you have kids I guess. Does that make sense?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:29 pm**

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:24 pm
Asking for 50m and getting 50m are two very different things!

I still think a team will get Tarks for 40-50m.

I still think Keira Knightley will jump on my lap and ask me to marry her. It ain't gonna happen. (I'd say YES btw....Phwoooar!)

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:35 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:29 pm
I still think Keira Knightley will jump on my lap and ask me to marry her. It ain't gonna happen. (I'd say YES btw....Phwoooar!)

Time will tell, I'll happily take more. I'd also take a dance from Keira.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:45 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:27 pm
I take your point. Not sure from what I have been reading he is so bothered about European football as just playing it. I wasn't referring to distance of Lallana's travel. More the upheaval of moving his kids from the northwest to the midlands. His kids have just started primary, or only a year or two in. Lots of considerations at his age outside of football. I know it's not that much further, but making new friends, new house, neighbourhood at their age and his. Just think possibly he may not fancy moving them. Then again he is from the south. It's just things everyone takes into consideration when you have kids I guess. Does that make sense?

yes definitely makes sense, however many leave wives and children at home and work away, so for me I totally agree he will not be looking to move his wife/children/home/schooling but he himself can go away. As I was saying, he does not have all that long left playing at PL standards so in the grand scheme will not mean being away all that much from home.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:55 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:45 pm
yes definitely makes sense, however many leave wives and children at home and work away, so for me I totally agree he will not be looking to move his wife/children/home/schooling but he himself can go away. As I was saying, he does not have all that long left playing at PL standards so in the grand scheme will not mean being away all that much from home.

Depends on who wears the trousers.

David Bentley's wife certainly was boss. There was a player (England International) who's name I forget. His wife famously refused to move to a club, ended up at Everton (can't remember who his name). My missus would probably be happy if I worked on Neptune mind

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:58 pm**

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:04 pm
That’s ok !
We can agree Hanley is worth 3 quid then

is that 3 quid transfer fee or 3 quid Norwich will pay someone to take him ?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:01 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:55 pm
Depends on who wears the trousers. David Bentley's wife certainly was boss. There was a player (England International) who's name I forget. His wife famously refused to move to a club, ended up at Everton (can't remember who his name). My missus would probably be happy if I worked on Neptune mind

Hubby and I have been apart several times due to work, it's a difficult choice, I know my sister and sister-in-law have both told me they would never have done it for anything.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:44 pm**

Here's a question...If Norwich have supposedly all these really good players.Why are they bottom of the league?

I think the media get blinded by style over substance sometimes, and in turn vastly overrate some of these players

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:49 pm**

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:44 pm
Here's a question...If Norwich have supposedly all these really good players.Why are they bottom of the league?

I think the media get blinded by style over substance sometimes, and in turn vastly overrate some of these players

Trippier and Ings did OK when they left Burnley after relegation.....

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:55 pm**

Daniel Farke

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:04 pm**

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:44 pm
Here's a question...If Norwich have supposedly all these really good players.Why are they bottom of the league?

I think the media get blinded by style over substance sometimes, and in turn vastly overrate some of these players

How many of our players will look more ordinary when they leave us? It’s a hell of a lot to do with building a team.

Since Fergie left, Man United haven’t been a team, despite spending gazillions!!

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:12 pm**

Sack the current recruitment team-based on their activity over 2 years, forget all the stats, and employ someone to simply identify , in the Championship, the player's player of the year award for each team. If they play in a position where we are exposed and they are 27 or under then consider making a bid

Seriously though, one player who has really caught my eye, in a poor team, and he may be out our wage scale is Gordon Luiz of Villa. Brilliant holding CM who can control play.Would be a real asset under SD

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:36 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:38 pm**

Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:49 pm
Trippier and Ings did OK when they left Burnley after relegation.....

Yeah I get what you are saying, but from this thread half their team would apparently improve us.

Cantwell is a given, the others...not too sure they have what it takes

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:38 pm**

I couldn't cope with trying to buy Dawson again.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:43 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:52 pm
The only trouble with signing too many players from bottom clubs is they get used to losing.

We need players on an upward curve in their career with things still to prove.

But I would love Buendia here if we are sticking with a defensive fullback in Bardsley.

Heaton and Pope had both just been relegated from the championship when we signed them...

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:48 pm**

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:38 pm
Yeah I get what you are saying, but from this thread half their team would apparently improve us.

Cantwell is a given, the others...not too sure they have what it takes

I agree that some posters have mentioned targets which are really unrealistic but also some posters (me included) have mentioned players that they could see us go in for - not necessarily who we want us to go in for.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:53 pm**

Just one - Deulofeu

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:04 pm**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:43 pm
Heaton and Pope had both just been relegated from the championship when we signed them...

Obviously keepers benefit from having more shots to save.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:18 pm**

Some strange suggestions on this thread, i think many have been playing fantasy football again.

Looking at viable options.

Kenny McLean at Norwich is in the final year of his contract, and he would be a useful addition for centre-mid, only 28 and he should be relatively cheap if they go down.

Villa- the only players we might be interested in from them would be, again in their final year.

Conor Hourihane-centre mid

Ahmed Elmohamady-right back

Jota-right winger

Neil Taylor- left back

Bournemouth players we might be able to poach again in the final year of their contracts.

Harry Arter-again a centre mid, but he can also play in a defensive midfield role.

Dan Gosling-another who can play centre mid, or defensive midfield position

Aaron Ramsdale-keeper obviously isn't a priority area for us, but if Pope was poached this summer, we'd be left with BPF is number one, and he hasn't made a PL appearance yet.

Adam Smith-can play a variety of positions, left back/right back or right midfield.

Josh King & Stanislas are also in their final year, but i doubt either would entertain us.

Watford might prove a more fertile shopping place for us.

Players in the final year of their contract there include.

Troy Deeney-can't see him coming here.

Christian Kabasale-another possible replacement for Gibson/Tarks.

Roberto Pereyra-midfielder still only 29, with lots of PL experience.

West Ham players in the final year are.

Michail Antonio-think his wages would be too high far us.

Aaron Cresswell-he might be a possible still only 30,and could be Gibson's replacement.

Jack Wilshere-forget him another Defour isn't what we need.

As other posters have commented, we'd be better raiding some of the Championship clubs.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:04 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:11 pm
Ideally we're looking as an absolute priority a RW. Ideally, a holding, no nonsense midfielder who can pick a pass, read the game, challenge, basically hold the midfield more and give us breathing space.

Not from Prem teams but if you're looking at DMF players, Basic at Bordeaux is decent, Croatia U-21, now 23, £5-6m....or if you want a real enforcer, Gvilia at Legia Warsaw, 26, Georgian- so no shrinking violet, team captain, takes all free kicks, good organiser 6ft tall, could cost £4m, strong build, good range of passing, shaved head, goatee, but SD won't sign him cos it'll be like looking in a mirror

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:24 pm**

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:44 pm
Here's a question...If Norwich have supposedly all these really good players.Why are they bottom of the league?

I think the media get blinded by style over substance sometimes, and in turn vastly overrate some of these players

Good question. I think it boils down to them having some great midfield players but an awful defence and not much up quality front to finish the chances they create.

Aaron’s is massively overrated in my opinion though.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:51 pm**

Gibson-Fry swap cropping up again in tomorrows papers.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:59 pm**

can't believe nobody has mentioned Henri Lansbury from Villa yet............

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:41 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:59 pm
can't believe nobody has mentioned Henri Lansbury from Villa yet............

Probably hasn't registered as he's struggling to get a game in a poor Villa team, he is in the last year of his contract though, so he might yet be linked with us.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:57 am**

Norwich

Buendia - Fulfils the criteria of a hardworking winger who can defend but also has some of the highest chances created stats (3rd) in the league but will be tough competition for his signature with sides like Wolves.

Cantwell- Would fit the framework as a winger being able play on either side but might have his eyes set on a bigger move. Sheffield united are rumoured which isn't completely out of our reach.

Id be nowhere near Godfrey for the prices quoted, Both full backs (Lewis and Aarons) are good options but we are fine for Left Backs , and I think spurs are after Aarons.

Bournemouth

Gosling - Believe we tried to sign him a few windows ago so obviously liked by Dyche. Got a good engine in a postion we always seem to lack depth

S.Cook - Very underrated performer since Bournemouth have been in the league, would be a good option.

Wilson, King, Brooks, Ake, L.Cook, Fraser would all be great additions but their stock is probably too high to afford or attract.

Villa

Guilbert- Only 24 in a position that we need to improve the most, if we can get an option who offers something similar to Taylor but on the right we would be much more balanced and less predictable than overusing the Dwight and Taylor side.

Ezri Konsa - Another potential good investment for CB , came through Charlton at the same time as Joe Gomez.

Other:

Lallana - If hes free then I really think we should be all out to get him in, Although hes 32 he still posses great quality and work ethic and is an ideal wide man. Plus he can play central if required. He's also got Jay Rod and Cork here who he knows well from Saints. Leicester are in for him I presume because of the Rodgers link but it doesn't strike me as the sort of signing they make.

Mæhle Highly rated Danish right back that has been linked before and would be a real statement but would mean offloading Lowton.

Think we are probably another winger, centre mid and centre half short still even with these two so a big window ahead. #BackDyche

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:05 am**

Slurpy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:57 am

Bournemouth

Gosling - Believe we tried to sign him a few windows ago so obviously liked by Dyche. Got a good engine in a postion we always seem to lack depth

S.Cook - Very underrated performer since Bournemouth have been in the league, would be a good option.

as in Steve Cook the defender ?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:33 am**

Never been a Dan Gosling fan, so not for me.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:49 am**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:12 pm

Seriously though, one player who has really caught my eye, in a poor team, and he may be out our wage scale is Gordon Luiz of Villa. Brilliant holding CM who can control play.Would be a real asset under SD

Agree with this. My Villa supporting mate said he is the one consistent piece of quality they have.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:01 am**

Antonio might be the wrong side of 30 but he would suit our team and Dyche’s tactics so well and I’ve thought that for a while.

Would be a great, relatively cheaper option on the right hand side and would walk into our starting eleven. If he stayed fit he would do a great job for a couple of seasons.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:25 am**

Torn on Antonio. Watched him the other week. Not against us and he transformed the game. Seemed to be the only one bothered. Seen him not bother as well though but that could be frustration.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:43 am**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:24 pm
Good question. I think it boils down to them having some great midfield players but an awful defence and not much up quality front to finish the chances they create.

Aaron’s is massively overrated in my opinion though.

Yes, that's about it
Krul is not the greatest of keepers except in penalty shoot-outs
The defence last year was organised/Marshalled by christophe zimmerman. He started the season injured ended the season injured and has had injuries dotted about in between. His replacement has been injured. Sam byram is injured. That leaves the three kids who have struggled defensively at times but are decent going forward - hence the rave reviews, midfielders playing cb (and getting injured) and even out of his depth hanley has been injured - although that has not necessarily been a bad thing.
Up front pukki has no pace, and although that was not so much of an issue in the championship, it shows glaringly in the prem. Drmic is not good enough. Leitner similarly unimpressive. stiepermans was supporting pukki last season very successfully but he's been injured.
Tettey, trybul, vrancic good championship players and would not have been out of place if there was a strike force ahead and solid back line behind. There just isn't. Hernandez has been good of late, Tettey more often than not is either in the back 4 or trying frantically to cover those that are.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:01 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:05 am
as in Steve Cook the defender ?

Surely as plays for Bournemouth he should be described as someone who plays at the back not a defender!

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:00 am**

Slurpy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:57 am
Norwich

Buendia - Fulfils the criteria of a hardworking winger who can defend but also has some of the highest chances created stats (3rd) in the league but will be tough competition for his signature with sides like Wolves.

Cantwell- Would fit the framework as a winger being able play on either side but might have his eyes set on a bigger move. Sheffield united are rumoured which isn't completely out of our reach.

Id be nowhere near Godfrey for the prices quoted, Both full backs (Lewis and Aarons) are good options but we are fine for Left Backs , and I think spurs are after Aarons.

Bournemouth

Gosling - Believe we tried to sign him a few windows ago so obviously liked by Dyche. Got a good engine in a postion we always seem to lack depth

S.Cook - Very underrated performer since Bournemouth have been in the league, would be a good option.
Wilson, King, Brooks, Ake, L.Cook, Fraser would all be great additions but their stock is probably too high to afford or attract.

Villa

Guilbert- Only 24 in a position that we need to improve the most, if we can get an option who offers something similar to Taylor but on the right we would be much more balanced and less predictable than overusing the Dwight and Taylor side.

Ezri Konsa - Another potential good investment for CB , came through Charlton at the same time as Joe Gomez.
Other:
Lallana - If hes free then I really think we should be all out to get him in, Although hes 32 he still posses great quality and work ethic and is an ideal wide man. Plus he can play central if required. He's also got Jay Rod and Cork here who he knows well from Saints. Leicester are in for him I presume because of the Rodgers link but it doesn't strike me as the sort of signing they make.

Mæhle Highly rated Danish right back that has been linked before and would be a real statement but would mean offloading Lowton.
Think we are probably another winger, centre mid and centre half short still even with these two so a big window ahead. #BackDyche

Great post.

I think we’ll leave RB this time, but we really do need to be addressing that assuming Bardsley will only last another year.

Like you say - big year. Buendia is the one for me, but take your point about Lallana. I think there’s a few other decent prospects available - Gomes from United & Ngakia from West Ham. Think given we need numbers, taking a chance on a few of these might be a good option - just need to be careful on attitude given their ages.

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