Final positions for Europe

[diamondpocket]

Can someone please explain to me what the final league positions are for Europe if City are banned for next season?

I understand that 5th would get Champs league place. But today I read somewhere that also 6th would get it as well currently occupied by Wolves. Why?

In that case, then I guess 7th would get Europa League. Why would 8th get Europa as well then? Does this depend on who wins the FA CUP? If a Champs I
I'm a tad confused

Thanks

[Vegas Claret]

I doubt City will be banned

[cav]

6th place can’t get Champions League. The only way Wolves could play in the Champs League next season without finishing in the top 4 (5 if City banned) is by winning the Europa League.

The only way 8th place would be a Europa League (2nd round qualifier) spot is if City are banned from Europe and the winner of the FA Cup has already qualified for European competition next season.

The 2nd Qualifying round is on 17th September and all qualifiers are single legged ties next season.

[dsr]

7 English clubs will get European places. The FA Cup winners plus the top 6 eligible in the league. Assuming the FA Cup winners are in the top 8 and City stay banned, this will be the top 8 less City.

Champions League places go to the top 4 in the league, plus the europa winners if they aren't in the top 4, plus the Champions League winners if they aren't in the top 4, EXCEPT only 5 teams maximum. So if the CL winners and EL winners are both British and both finish outside the top 4, then only the top 3 qualify for the CL and 4th is unlucky.

End result will be 4 or 5 in CL, 2 or 3 in EL, 7 qualify in total.

[Spijed]

7 English clubs will get European places. The FA Cup winners plus the top 6 eligible in the league. Assuming the FA Cup winners are in the top 8 and City stay banned, this will be the top 8 less City.

Champions League places go to the top 4 in the league, plus the europa winners if they aren't in the top 4, plus the Champions League winners if they aren't in the top 4, EXCEPT only 5 teams maximum. So if the CL winners and EL winners are both British and both finish outside the top 4, then only the top 3 qualify for the CL and 4th is unlucky.

End result will be 4 or 5 in CL, 2 or 3 in EL, 7 qualify in total.

Don't the League cup winners get a place?

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Don't the League cup winners get a place?

It was City

[tiger76]

Don't the League cup winners get a place?

Not sure, but it's a moot point anyway, as the League Cup winners were City, so it's irrelevant for this season, in fact the LC winners are usually City, they've won the last 3, so as they always qualify through their league placing, whether they win the LC doesn't matter.

[dsr]

Don't the League cup winners get a place?

Yes. But Man City can't finish outside the top 7 so it makes no difference.

[Hibsclaret]

9 points needed

[tiger76]

9 points needed

Win on Wednesday, and 9 points is entirely possible given our last 2 fixtures.

[NewClaret]

Think Europe is beyond us now with some bad results this weekend. With our GD we are effectively 5 points behind a Europa league place, which is too much with 9 available and Sheffield United have winnable games.

Although a draw at Anfield is a great result, JBG’s effort that hit the bar would’ve kept us in the hunt, so was a massive miss in the context of the season.

[ClaretMov]

With the size of our squad I don't want European football next season.

[TheFamilyCat]

Have UEFA announced how the CL and EL will work next season? Qualifying rounds would normally be underway now. How do they expect to play all the games and how will travel restrictions impact on it?

[DCWat]

Have UEFA announced how the CL and EL will work next season? Qualifying rounds would normally be underway now. How do they expect to play all the games and how will travel restrictions impact on it?

Good question - not sure there is any answer yet. If it turns out that all the qualifying needs to be played, with the Euros next summer, it’s far more than our squad could handle without it having a negative impact on our Premier League hopes.

[boatshed bill]

Think Europe is beyond us now with some bad results this weekend. With our GD we are effectively 5 points behind a Europa league place, which is too much with 9 available and Sheffield United have winnable games.

Although a draw at Anfield is a great result, JBG’s effort that hit the bar would’ve kept us in the hunt, so was a massive miss in the context of the season.

I think you are right, but I don't blame JBG. The Sheff Utd equaliser did for us.

[Bin Ont Turf]

With the size of our squad I don't want European football next season.

I'd give up 50 odd years of being a Burnley supporter if I thought like that.

[cav]

Have UEFA announced how the CL and EL will work next season? Qualifying rounds would normally be underway now. How do they expect to play all the games and how will travel restrictions impact on it?

All qualifiers are single legged ties.

Preliminary round
20 August (single-leg ties)

First qualifying round
27 August (single-leg ties)

Second qualifying round
17 September (single-leg ties)

Third qualifying round
24 September (single-leg ties)

Play-offs
1 October (single-leg ties)

[ClaretMov]

I'd give up 50 odd years of being a Burnley supporter if I thought like that.

I've watched burnley for 46 year's I Loved going to Olympiakos one of the best Burnley experiences I've ever had and I shared this with my 23 year old son, but Playing in Europe next season with the games being played late in the year probably clashing with the league the fa cup and league cup no thanks, with the size of our current squad its very possible we could be relegated, but each to their own but not for me.

[rob63]

With the size of our squad I don't want European football next season.

We'd need 8 or 9 players in the transfer window to compete in the PL & Europe........& we all know introducing so many new players usually goes in the PL

[FactualFrank]

With the size of our squad I don't want European football next season.

I advise you to put the hat on.

[Gordaleman]

Might be better if we don't qualify this time given our squad depth right now. It nearly cost us our PL status last time.

A nice League or FA Cup run would be nice for a change though. We haven't done a thing in those competitions for years.

[agreenwood]

What if Wolves finish 6th or 7th and win the Europa League?

[jrgbfc]

Normally I'd love us to qualify for Europe, but if we weren't able to even go to the away games not sure it's worth it.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I've watched burnley for 46 year's I Loved going to Olympiakos one of the best Burnley experiences I've ever had and I shared this with my 23 year old son, but Playing in Europe next season with the games being played late in the year probably clashing with the league the fa cup and league cup no thanks, with the size of our current squad its very possible we could be relegated, but each to their own but not for me.

I've said many times that the worst thing about doing well (or winning) the Championship is having to go into the Premier League. It still did not make me think we shouldn't do it.

We've always had a small squad and I don't deny that it would be tough, but that doesn't mean I don't want Burnley to be/to do the best that they can.

It's not going to happen anyway (that's my Burnley inbuilt negativity).

[Burnley87]

Why would you even support a team and hope they don’t finish as high as possible. Joke fans

[Vegas Claret]

Why would you even support a team and hope they don’t finish as high as possible. Joke fans

probably because they saw what happened last time and would like us to finish as high as we can next season, only a remarkable second half of the season kept us up last time. We clearly don't have the funds to build a squad capable of competing in any European competition as well as the PL

[bfcmik]

I'll bet most of those who don't want us to qualify for the Europa League are the same people who complain about us merely playing to stay in the PL each season. And who look for us to aim for the next level - which involves trying to qualify for Europe each season!

[Claretforever]

I’d have us in Europe every season if we could. You have to have something to aim for as a football fan and we know the top 5-6 is usually wrapped up with the money they have now. Our club has experience now so could manage it better. Look at Wolves this season.

The best we can hope for, and is a real sense of achievement, is Europe. Let’s face it, we’re at risk of relegation every single season for half of it at least. There’s no way I want my club to finish lower than it could. I’d take being an FA Cup winner and be relegated than be constantly in 14th-17th for years on end. When you look back in 20 years time, or the next generation gets into football and looks at our history, they be more proud of a cup win or a European adventure, not finishing 11th one season.

The reality is that Sheffield United have pulled out some real results lately, and the equaliser at the Turf has probably done us for this season anyway. Europe is a long shot despite the last 13 games. Our early season form cost us.

[Brisliam]

Whilst I don't doubt there would be additional injury risks, hasn't our form after the restart proven we are capable of multiple games in a week even with our limited squad size.

Assuming we have most of our injuries back for next season and we make a couple a signings, there's no reason our PL campaign would have to suffer as a result of European football.

Though I think its a tough ask, we're a stronger more experienced team with respect to the core matchday squad than last time out.

[IanMcL]

Think Europe is beyond us now with some bad results this weekend. With our GD we are effectively 5 points behind a Europa league place, which is too much with 9 available and Sheffield United have winnable games.

Although a draw at Anfield is a great result, JBG’s effort that hit the bar would’ve kept us in the hunt, so was a massive miss in the context of the season.

The fixtures to come allow a chance of 6th, if we beat Wolves.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I'll bet most of those who don't want us to qualify for the Europa League are the same people who complain about us merely playing to stay in the PL each season. And who look for us to aim for the next level - which involves trying to qualify for Europe each season!

I certainly find it weird.

The argument seems to be about something that hasn't happened yet.

If we get into Europe this will happen

[Vegas Claret]

I certainly find it weird.

The argument seems to be about something that hasn't happened yet.

If we get into Europe this will happen

same argument as those that say if we spend 20p over budget we are going to do a Pompey

[dsr]

I reckon the reason we did so badly was the Dyche (one of his rare mistakes) let it be known that he didn't think we could handle it. And if you tell the players that that wall is too hard and you won't be able to run through it, then guess what - they can't run through it.

After this break we came back with a self-selecting 11 man team and no subs, but the players were made to believe that it could be done. And so it was done. That's how Burnley FC works. Qualify for Europe, play the first XI, (but reserves in the league cup), see what happens.

If being in Europe cost us in the league last time, it can only be because the first team players who wanted to play in Europe and weren't allowed to, were unhappy. It wasn't tiredness because they all had rests. I doubt any first teamer played more than 4 extra games - did they?)

[Vegas Claret]

I'd rather try and get to the FA Cup final than qualify to play Kauno Žalgiris, Mladá Boleslav, Shamrock Rovers and Antwerp

[Vegas Claret]

I reckon the reason we did so badly was the Dyche (one of his rare mistakes) let it be known that he didn't think we could handle it. And if you tell the players that that wall is too hard and you won't be able to run through it, then guess what - they can't run through it.

After this break we came back with a self-selecting 11 man team and no subs, but the players were made to believe that it could be done. And so it was done. That's how Burnley FC works. Qualify for Europe, play the first XI, (but reserves in the league cup), see what happens.

If being in Europe cost us in the league last time, it can only be because the first team players who wanted to play in Europe and weren't allowed to, were unhappy. It wasn't tiredness because they all had rests. I doubt any first teamer played more than 4 extra games - did they?)

I think it took Wolves a while to suss it out even with their squad. Most teams that qualify for the Europa league other than the big boys struggle. Stoke, Swansea, Everton, Southampton all struggled in the league (from memory, so feel free to correct)

I understand why it appeals to most fans though

[Bin Ont Turf]

same argument as those that say if we spend 20p over budget we are going to do a Pompey

It's a fair point, but there have been plenty of examples that have gone before.

Has a prudent type gone before?

[Vegas Claret]

It's a fair point, but there have been plenty of examples that have gone before.

Has a prudent type gone before?

"Has a prudent type gone before?" - not following you BOT ?

[dsr]

I think it took Wolves a while to suss it out even with their squad. Most teams that qualify for the Europa league other than the big boys struggle. Stoke, Swansea, Everton, Southampton all struggled in the league (from memory, so feel free to correct)

I understand why it appeals to most fans though

I don't think "even with their squad" is really relevant. we've played 38 games this season and had 14 players with 10 or more starts. They have played 54 games and had 16 players with 10 or more starts. They're just like us under Coyle, I reckon - no-one has told them that it can't be done, so they go out and do it.

[Vegas Claret]

I don't think "even with their squad" is really relevant. we've played 38 games this season and had 14 players with 10 or more starts. They have played 54 games and had 16 players with 10 or more starts. They're just like us under Coyle, I reckon - no-one has told them that it can't be done, so they go out and do it.

I don't disagree it might have had an influence for sure, was merely pointing out that pretty much all the teams other than the big 6 seem to struggle with European footy

[Bin Ont Turf]

"Has a prudent type gone before?" - not following you BOT ?

Has a club who have made/earned their own money, been in the Premier League and in Europe etc?

[Vegas Claret]

Has a club who have made/earned their own money, been in the Premier League and in Europe etc?

Honestly don't know but I would think it unlikely, I don't know the levels of investment the likes of Swansea had for example. Maybe someone else will know ?

[jrgbfc]

Wolves have managed OK using a fairly small group of players.

[tybfc]

The season leading up to the Europa qualification last time a couple of us flew down to the games at Southampton and Bournemouth as the tickets were as cheap as the train. On both flights we were joined by chance by different Club Directors. Each and every one of them stated that they did not want us to qualify for the Europa League as the Club could not sustain it and remain in the Premier League.

Then on the flights to Olympiakos and back we were again joined by more than one of our Directors who were hoping beyond all hope that we did not progress past that round.

Surely we are in exactly the same situation in their eyes as we were first time around in way of squad numbers and strength in depth and as such the same negativity will surround Dyche and ultimately the players and fans.

I am just a fan of my Club who wants us to win every single game and get into Europe every season if we can as it is beyond all my dreams of just a few years ago.

Ban negativity!

[BenWickes]

Has a club who have made/earned their own money, been in the Premier League and in Europe etc?

Don't think Norwich City were owned by a sugar daddy in their 93/4 season when they were in the UEFA Cup. They knocked out Bayern Munich that season.

[Kgun5]

9 points needed

On this note, if we go 9/9, where do we finish?

I'm thinking 8th, at best.

[Hibsclaret]

6th or 7th with 9 points probably.

[summitclaret]

So if City win the CL and the FA Cup and United
or Wolves win the EL, which PL positions get into europe?

[ClaretMov]

Why would you even support a team and hope they don’t finish as high as possible. Joke fans

Joke statement

[ClaretAL]

So if City win the CL and the FA Cup and United
or Wolves win the EL, which PL positions get into europe?

7th.

[ClaretMov]

Don't think Norwich City were owned by a sugar daddy in their 93/4 season when they were in the UEFA Cup. They knocked out Bayern Munich that season.

Wow you're talking about 1993......27 year's ago, football is nothing like that anymore it can not be compared