Hendrick set to leave

[TVC15]

Absolutely tosh in reply to the poster who quoted me

Presumably that was me !
Aaaah bless....

[Elizabeth]

Yes it was clearly meant for you.
What's all this 'Aaaah bless....' business. What's that meant to mean? Either argue the point or not

[TVC15]

Yes it was clearly meant for you.
What's all this 'Aaaah bless....' business. What's that meant to mean? Either argue the point or not

You mean argue the point by saying what you said was a load of “tosh” ? If only I was that articulate.

[Elizabeth]

I feel the best way to bring someone down from their high horse is to start by making it clear to them that they should stop acting as if they are top authority when they aren't.

[Elizabeth]

Having got that one sorted I will now challenge your viewpoint. Troll. Is that the best you can do?
How can you insult all the many Burnley players over the years that have signed new deals. Ings let his contract run down but he was talented and had a top club suitor so that was understandable.
You talk about 99% of all footballers being greedy. Try telling that to footballers in Leagues1 and 2. Many of them are praying to be offered new contracts.
And if you don't know what's been offered to Hendrick best keep quiet and not use that in any argument.

[TVC15]

I don’t think they are greedy - I think that is just the way it is now. That’s why I put your description of greed in inverted commas.

Players try to earn as much as they can from either their existing club or by leaving.

You don’t know what Hendrick was offered either - I was making the point that your criticism of him was without knowing what his situation was or what the club had offered him. It’s you who is making an assumption that it was based on greed.

I wasn’t really talking about the lower divisions players but even with these players on a much smaller scale are I would imagine in the same position. Try and get as much as you can from your existing club but if you get a better offer then they leave and take it. It’s been like that for the last couple of decades at least with very few players staying at the same club for their career.

What Hendrick did on the face of it is no different to what happens at every club on a regular basis.

[Quickenthetempo]

There was also reports he was offered less money than he was on. Either way we don’t know the details of the offer and to suggest he is any different to the rest of the team or the vast majority of other players is naive at best.

Defour took a one year extension to his contract - whilst he was having some serious injury issues - can’t remember many fans calling him greedy (and I don’t think he was either).

There’s little or no loyalty left amongst players - agents try and get them the best deal they can and if they can leave without any or a big fee then that gives them even more chance of a bigger salary - like Tripps and Ings both did. A number of supporters were unhappy with Ings and used the word greed and disloyal but what Tripps and his agent did was no different - and again I don’t think either of them did what everyone else does now if they get a chance to.

I haven't said he is any different to any other player.

Andy Jones did an interview with him a day before the offer if I remember rightly and they seem to get all info now. The local papers seem to get things days later.

Tripps signed a new contract with a 4m release clause in it.

[Elizabeth]

Let's see where he ends up. He had plenty of time to sign a new deal and I think the club would have offered him a good deal, well before Covid.

He is entitled to do what he did and my belief is that he chose to hold out for a big signing on fee as a free agent in preference to staying loyal to our club, like other players have done.

And yes, it works both ways.

Ings leaving was more difficult to take because he was more of an influence to the team. He has been replaced and it will be easier to replace Hendrick.

[ClaretTony]

A number of supporters were unhappy with Ings and used the word greed and disloyal but what Tripps and his agent did was no different

There was one hell of a difference. Ings said all along that he was going to run his contract down, as is his right, and I have no problems with that, whereas Tripps signed a deal to ensure that Burnley got something for him when he left. Rest assured, what the two players and their agents did were totally different.

[what_no_pies]

I'm on neither side of this debate but what Ings did also ensured we got some money for him when he left too. Ultimately it was quite a bit more than we got for Tripps by quite a distance too if memory serves me correctly.

[Winstonswhite]

We’ve already replaced him.

It’s very telling that we’re down to about the last fit 13 players at the club since the restart and we haven’t missed him in the slightest.

He wanted a better deal, he wants to play through the middle. Well crack on then Jeff. I’m sure your agent will get you at least two years somewhere, then hopefully we won’t have to discuss you anymore.

[TVC15]

There was one hell of a difference. Ings said all along that he was going to run his contract down, as is his right, and I have no problems with that, whereas Tripps signed a deal to ensure that Burnley got something for him when he left. Rest assured, what the two players and their agents did were totally different.

I know Tripps signed a deal with a £3.5m sale clause in it - and that was a very good deal for us as we got him for another year and got some money from him. But a lot less than he was worth.
We also got good money for Ings. And I’m sure Ings and his agent must have known it would go to tribunal and we would get a fee.

Both Ings and Tripps knew they could get a significant increase in terms and that they were going to massive clubs we could not compete with.

I know they were completely different situations and personally I don’t think either of them have done anything much wrong - Tripps left in a much more respectful way I agree.

I’m just glad I got to see them both in a Burnley shirt - Tripps in my view was the best player we had in my 40 plus years of watching...and Ings was not far behind.

[NewClaret]

United

Mind you, is the Daily Star. Must be fun winding up United fans for a living.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Im starting to suspect he might be a marquee signing for Leeds once promotion is confirmed.

Bielsa likes a versatile player

[claretonthecoast1882]

I know some really struggle with the Trippier deal but to suggest him and his agent acted like Ings and his agent is a whole new level of struggling

[GodIsADeeJay81]

There was one hell of a difference. Ings said all along that he was going to run his contract down, as is his right, and I have no problems with that, whereas Tripps signed a deal to ensure that Burnley got something for him when he left. Rest assured, what the two players and their agents did were totally different.

Didn't Jay do something similar to Tripps?

Signed an extension with the proviso that if we didn't get promoted we would sell him.

[ClaretTony]

Didn't Jay do something similar to Tripps?

Signed an extension with the proviso that if we didn't get promoted we would sell him.

I don't know about Jay but I do know that Tripps was brilliant in what he did

[Dyched]

I know some really struggle with the Trippier deal but to suggest him and his agent acted like Ings and his agent is a whole new level of struggling

What exactly did Ings do? Sign a contract? Yes. See out that contract? Yes.

Why is it that when clubs top players see out their contract it is frowned upon and they’ve done wrong? Like they owe the club some kind of loyalty.

Yet, the other way round when a player signs and sees out a contract when they’ve been poor, it’s acceptable the club doesn’t offer them a new contract and a bit of loyalty.

[taio]

What exactly did Ings do? Sign a contract? Yes. See out that contract? Yes.

Why is it that when clubs top players see out their contract it is frowned upon and they’ve done wrong? Like they owe the club some kind of loyalty.

Yet, the other way round when a player signs and sees out a contract when they’ve been poor, it’s acceptable the club doesn’t offer them a new contract and a bit of loyalty.

Is it not the case that people are praising Trippier rather than criticising Ings for the same reason you suggest?

[claretonthecoast1882]

What exactly did Ings do? Sign a contract? Yes. See out that contract? Yes.

Why is it that when clubs top players see out their contract it is frowned upon and they’ve done wrong? Like they owe the club some kind of loyalty.

Yet, the other way round when a player signs and sees out a contract when they’ve been poor, it’s acceptable the club doesn’t offer them a new contract and a bit of loyalty.

It isn't

[Quickenthetempo]

Im starting to suspect he might be a marquee signing for Leeds once promotion is confirmed.

Bielsa likes a versatile player

Hendrick wouldn't get in the Leeds midfield. They are quite well stocked there. Goalkeeper and goal scorer should be their priority.

[TVC15]

The best thing Tripps did was give the fans the pleasure of watching him in a Burnley shirt for another year. Yes it also ensured we got some money back too but nowhere near what we could have sold him for if he would have signed a long term contract with no sale clause in it.
And I’m not saying he should have done that because like all players he needs to look after his own career.

The situation with Ings was different in that he and his people knew we would get a fee by tribunal - and that fee ended up being twice as much as we got for Tripps.

I know the situation with Ings was worse in terms of the way he and his agents dealt with it but it’s not an easy situation for any player letting his contract run down. Look at Michael Owen and what happened to him at Liverpool.

The common thing between Tripps, Ings, Hendrick and all the others is that the players hold all the cards. If you can significantly reduce the fee the other club is paying for you or bring this down to a free then that can save several millions of pounds - for all these 3 players it could easily have been £10m each in savings to the clubs taking them on.....that’s a hell of a lot to play with in terms of sign on fees and salary increases / length of new contracts etc.

For Hendrick I personally doubt very much he can take anywhere near the step up in playing levels that Tripps and Ings did but he could easily end up playing for a bigger team than us (eg Leeds, Celtic etc) and bag a 3 or 4 year contract on £2m to £2.5m a year and a big signing on fee.

[NewClaret]

Bump.

Close to signing for Newcastle according to the Guardian. Will be interesting to see how he does there. Can’t imagine it’s the type of signing the Toon Army were expecting this summer.

[FactualFrank]

Going off social media they think it's a solid cheap move.

[Quicknick]

Going off social media they think it's a solid cheap move.

I'd agree with them.

[jojomk1]

Just don't see who he replaces in their midfield when all fit

Solid move for a squad player

[BenWickes]

Interesting that, if true; Hendrick wanted a more central role rather than playing out of position on the right. If he's going to Newcastle United, he'd be going to a team who apparently had less ball possession per game on average; than us last season.

[Murger]

Greed was the only reason he left.

[Claretmatt4]

Likely a fair financial upgrade than we could offer him but he's in a worse situation surely?

Can't blaming for one last big pay check, wish him luck just not against us.

[Dinks]

Interesting that, if true; Hendrick wanted a more central role rather than playing out of position on the right. If he's going to Newcastle United, he'd be going to a team who apparently had less ball possession per game on average; than us last season.

What does that matter when your wage packet has £70,000 in it every week.

[BenWickes]

What does that matter when your wage packet has £70,000 in it every week.

Pretty much has a lot to do with it if your sole reason for moving was to play in your preferred position
I am sure I read one of the reasons, if not the reason; was because he wanted to play in central midfield, not out of position
Contrary to belief, not every player is motivated solely by money. Either way. If he's happy sitting on his backside on the bench on £70,000 then fine but there won't be much change to Newcastle's stats next season unless there's a major overhaul.

[MACCA]

What does that matter when your wage packet has £70,000 in it every week.

It's funny that many thought it was anything but a money motivated move.

That was the only thing that mattered.

We had all sorts of reasons for him leaving, he wasnt liked by the fans, he was played out if position, we offered him reduced terms.

Simple fact is he left because of the extra pounds on offer elsewhere, he wont give 2 hoots where he plays, or if he even plays at all when he's at least doubled his money from what he was on here.

Fair play, I doubt anyone in any walk of life wouldn't move to a new employer doing the same job for double the wages.

[Dinks]

I wonder how much Ben Gibson has stolen off us,he wasnt even content to sit on his arse on the bench,he just wanted paying for not even being here!...you couldnt make it up!

[ClaretTony]

Greed was the only reason he left.

I'd like to see you justify that because from what I'm told nothing could be further from the truth

[Murger]

I'd like to see you justify that because from what I'm told nothing could be further from the truth

He obviously thinks he's a better player then he actually is. Let's see if he's a regular starter in his preferred position at whatever club he ends up at. My guess is he'll quite happily play wherever he's told for an extra few grand.

[jedi_master]

According to his Irish manager, it was never about money.

Hendrick, according to him, had no intention of staying as he wanted to play centre midfield and not be pushed out on the right hand side. I read the quotes from the manager a few weeks ago in one of the Irish papers.

[Swizzlestick]

It’ll be for money. There is nothing wrong with this.

[karatekid]

If someone offered to double my money for the same job I’d be off before the ink was dry. Nothing to do with greed as my family’s security comes before any employer loyalty.

[ClaretTony]

He obviously thinks he's a better player then he actually is. Let's see if he's a regular starter in his preferred position at whatever club he ends up at. My guess is he'll quite happily play wherever he's told for an extra few grand.

Nothing to do with regular starts in teams, you said he'd gone for greed and I wondered how you could justify that.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He obviously thinks he's a better player then he actually is. Let's see if he's a regular starter in his preferred position at whatever club he ends up at. My guess is he'll quite happily play wherever he's told for an extra few grand.

He's obviously a better player than many on here give him credit for.

[Murger]

He's obviously a better player than many on here give him credit for.

Good enough to be a regular starter in his preferred position at another PL club? I doubt it.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Good enough to be a regular starter in his preferred position at another PL club? I doubt it.

Was greed the reason he signed for us ?

[Herts Clarets]

According to his Irish manager, it was never about money.

Hendrick, according to him, had no intention of staying as he wanted to play centre midfield and not be pushed out on the right hand side. I read the quotes from the manager a few weeks ago in one of the Irish papers.

I think he may be disappointed at Newcastle then - I don't see who he displaces in their central position and could more than likely find himself in an even wider role than he was at Burnley i.e. sat on the bench for many games...

[Murger]

Was greed the reason he signed for us ?

No. But when he signed for us, he had no PL experience, so couldn't demand top dollar.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Good enough to be a regular starter in his preferred position at another PL club? I doubt it.

How can you be so sure?

He averaged 30 league appearances per season during his 4 here.
He's a decent solid player and if he wants to play more in the central role then its his right to try and find a club more willing to play him there.
You don't know what's going on at another club.

He's more than repaid that fee we paid for him because he's never kicked up a fuss, never rocked the boat and hasn't gotten into trouble like he was already in when we signed him.

[Winstonswhite]

He's obviously a better player than many on here give him credit for.

Obviously? How have you come to that conclusion?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

No. But when he signed for us, he had no PL experience, so couldn't demand top dollar.

You're adamant it's about greed but seeing as he's yet to sign a contract anywhere I'm not sure how you're going to justify that claim..

Plus if he's that bad he won't be getting top dollar anywhere will he?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Obviously? How have you come to that conclusion?

Shouldn't you be asking the same about Murgers opinion?

He's been a good player for us, suited our system when he was asked to play a more advanced role etc.

He's being viewed the same as David Jones was, another under rated player

[claretonthecoast1882]

No. But when he signed for us, he had no PL experience.

So he didn't sign for us due to the money on offer, but he has left us for money on offer elsewhere ?

Complicated thing this greed

[Bfcboyo]

Shouldn't you be asking the same about Murgers opinion?

He's been a good player for us, suited our system when he was asked to play a more advanced role etc.

He's being viewed the same as David Jones was, another under rated player

He ran around a lot , provided great defensive cover and for every interception and tackle he would be easily dispossessed or dink the ball to the opposition. Panicked in forward positions but overall he did a job for us. A better player in there somewhere seemed more confident when he first started for us.