Tim Bobbin Pub

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:17 am

Why did it close so abruptly? Is it going to re-open?

The range and quality of pubs in Burnley seems to be in terminal decline. I don't mind travelling to Tod, Hebden, Sowerby, Rawtenstall etc etc but it would be good to have a good quality LOCAL pint now and again!

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:41 am

Is the Kettledrum still going up Brunshaw way-not having lived in Burnley since 1962 I have no idea, but back then it was a good "hostelry"

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:50 am

Intrigued by the name I looked it up. From Wiki apparently named after John Collier aka Timothy Bobbin and I have copy pasted for anyone other than me who may be interested.

"Born in Urmston, Lancashire, the son of an impoverished curate, he moved to Milnrow at the age of 17 to work as a schoolmaster.[2][3] Marriage and nine children meant he needed to supplement his income and he began producing illustrated satirical poetry in Lancashire dialect and a book of dialect terms.[3][4] His first and most famous work, A View of the Lancashire Dialect, or, Tummus and Mary, appeared in 1746, and is the earliest significant piece of Lancashire dialect to be published.[1] He regularly travelled to Rochdale to sell his work in the local pubs where most of the business of Rochdale was conducted as there was no cloth hall at that time. People in the pubs would ask him to draw portraits of them and their friends and he would charge on the basis of the number of heads in the picture.[3] The Lancashire dialect poetry collection, Human Passions Delineated, a work which he both wrote and illustrated, appeared in 1773. In it he savagely lampooned the behaviour of upper and lower classes alike. The etchings were widely reproduced, and some were printed on ceramics of the time,[5] and a colourised reproduction of 25 of the plates was published in 1810. He died in 1786 leaving the sum of £50 and was buried in the churchyard of Rochdale Parish Church, St. Chad's.[2][3] He wrote his own epitaph 20 minutes before he died, "Jack of all trades...left to lie i'th dark" which is inscribed upon his gravestone. He had also written a number of other humorous epitaphs for graves, a number of which can still be seen in St. Chad's churchyard.[3]

In 1792 Sir Walter Scott visited the grave and suggested that a public subscription be raised to refurbish it. One thousand people donated a £1-0s–0d each, the tombstone was raised and a fence erected around the grave. A ceremony was arranged, which was attended by many eminent people including a number of Lancashire dialect poets who acknowledged their debt to the first of their number, Tim Bobbin.[3]"

Red Fox Rocks Socks · Post by **Red Fox Rocks Socks** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:50 am

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:41 am
Is the Kettledrum still going up Brunshaw way-not having lived in Burnley since 1962 I have no idea, but back then it was a good "hostelry"

Kettledrum still going yes

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:54 am

Mala591 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:17 am
Why did it close so abruptly? Is it going to re-open?

The range and quality of pubs in Burnley seems to be in terminal decline. I don't mind travelling to Tod, Hebden, Sowerby, Rawtenstall etc etc but it would be good to have a good quality LOCAL pint now and again!

You have answered your question in the post.

People seem to spend a lot more money out of town these days and wonder why their locals go bump.

Use them or lose them.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:52 pm

As far as us regulars know the sudden closure of the bobbin wasn't due to lack of clientele.
Brewery owner Humphry Smith is a very difficult person with very old fasioned values.
If anyone has visited a Samuel Smith pub in the last year or so you will know that the use of mobile phones laptops etc is not allowed.
Along with that the brewery dispensed with entertainment licence around 20 years ago.
Having said all that,the Bobbin had been doing alright after re-opening having been shut for about 8 months a few years ago for a big refurb.

I spoke to the manageress shortly after it was closed and she told me that she had resigned on the spot after an altercation with Humphry.
I do know the details as to what went on but in respect of said lady I shall refrain.

The brewery were in the process of interviewing potential managers before the lockdown.

Thank You

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:58 pm

full of smack heads in there last time i was in

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:02 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:58 pm
full of smack heads in there last time i was in

20 years ago??

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:28 pm

I've never been a fan of Sam Smith's ales.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:43 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:54 am
You have answered your question in the post.

People seem to spend a lot more money out of town these days and wonder why their locals go bump.

Use them or lose them.

True to a certain degree, but probably a good reason exists why there don't use them in the first place, it might start off good & then change & people don't show loyalty & become impatient especially with the prices there charge, to survive & thrive you need to be consistently good without offering any excuses. The customers are well within there rights to go elsewhere if dissatisfied.

kritichris · Post by **kritichris** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:46 pm

The Tadcaster bitter is fine, makes a good session ale.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:43 pm
True to a certain degree, but probably a good reason exists why there don't use them in the first place, it might start off good & then change & people don't show loyalty & become impatient especially with the prices there charge, to survive & thrive you need to be consistently good without offering any excuses. The customers are well within there rights to go elsewhere if dissatisfied.

In regards to prices...£2-£2.20 a pint of lager/bitter before Bobbin shut.

I think the daft o clock drinking hours in town doesn't help local pubs.
Bobbin used to get plenty of youngsters stopping off before heading towards town.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:43 pm
True to a certain degree, but probably a good reason exists why there don't use them in the first place, it might start off good & then change & people don't show loyalty & become impatient especially with the prices there charge, to survive & thrive you need to be consistently good without offering any excuses. The customers are well within there rights to go elsewhere if dissatisfied.

Just think people's habits changed.

They would rather go out of town and spend 200 quid once a month than 200 quid over the month in the local.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:09 pm

Dazzler wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:02 pm
20 years ago??

no not that long ago. I believe they are from Gannow Lane area.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm
Just think people's habits changed.

They would rather go out of town and spend 200 quid once a month than 200 quid over the month in the local.

Possibly, lots of factors come into play & people’s requirements, do there do food & live music? Going out to the pub for some people & meeting friends is a special occasion, local or non local the money just isn’t there & if it is it’s allocated elsewhere on a priority basis, I know exactly how to get all the pubs booming again you need to substantially reduce the price of a pint, everywhere nationwide for £10 that should buy 5 pints, £2 a pint every single pub in the country with the government & breweries onboard.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:22 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:18 pm
Possibly, lots of factors come into play & people’s requirements, do there do food & live music? Going out to the pub for some people & meeting friends is a special occasion, local or non local the money just isn’t there & if it is it’s allocated elsewhere on a priority basis, I know exactly how to get all the pubs booming again you need to substantially reduce the price of a pint, everywhere nationwide for £10 that should buy 5 pints, £2 a pint every single pub in the country with the government & breweries onboard.

I think people demand higher standards of pubs and quality of drinks rather than 50p a pint deciding where they go.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:30 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:22 pm
I think people demand higher standards of pubs and quality of drinks rather than 50p a pint deciding where they go.

At £2 a pint that’s easily achievable, no pub should ever be able to charge more than £2. Cost of production it’s Axminster carpets & crystal chandeliers still making plenty of profit.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:39 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:30 pm
At £2 a pint that’s easily achievable, no pub should ever be able to charge more than £2. Cost of production it’s Axminster carpets & crystal chandeliers still making plenty of profit.

There's not a chance pubs could sell pints at 2 quid with the current prices from breweries.
Breweries make that much from supermarkets they don't care for the pub trade.

I think a decent lager costs around £125 for a 64 pint keg around here. Sam Miguel, Peroni etc

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:43 pm

Dazzler wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:52 pm
As far as us regulars know the sudden closure of the bobbin wasn't due to lack of clientele.
Brewery owner Humphry Smith is a very difficult person with very old fasioned values.
If anyone has visited a Samuel Smith pub in the last year or so you will know that the use of mobile phones laptops etc is not allowed.
Along with that the brewery dispensed with entertainment licence around 20 years ago.
Having said all that,the Bobbin had been doing alright after re-opening having been shut for about 8 months a few years ago for a big refurb.

I spoke to the manageress shortly after it was closed and she told me that she had resigned on the spot after an altercation with Humphry.
I do know the details as to what went on but in respect of said lady I shall refrain.

The brewery were in the process of interviewing potential managers before the lockdown.

Thank You

He refused to allow a temporary footbridge to be on his land when the floods washed thr bridge away in Tadcaster. Sounds like a right bellend.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:46 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:39 pm
There's not a chance pubs could sell pints at 2 quid with the current prices from breweries.
Breweries make that much from supermarkets they don't care for the pub trade.

I think a decent lager costs around £125 for a 64 pint keg around here. Sam Miguel, Peroni etc

Government & breweries onboard making this happen, it can easily happen, it’s double the off licences & supermarkets instead of quadruple plus, you sell more but at a lower price that’s the model it won’t happen because of greed but apart from that there’s no logical valid reason why people need to pay in excess of £2 for a pint of beer/ale/lager.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:49 pm

You do know that running a pub has more overheads than just buying beer, don't you?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:52 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:49 pm
You do know that running a pub has more overheads than just buying beer, don't you?

The markup is healthy enough already, jukeboxes, pool tables, food in addition, the profit is generated by fast repeat custom.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:58 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:52 pm
The markup is healthy enough already, jukeboxes, pool tables, food in addition, the profit is generated by fast repeat custom.

I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to take over pubs after this lockdown.

Get yourself in one. See if your theory works?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:04 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:58 pm
I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to take over pubs after this lockdown.

Get yourself in one. See if your theory works?

It won’t work it’ll never work because you are screwed by greed, I know people who have revived failing pubs & turned it around & as soon as you start making a profit & improving the pubs fortunes, the brewery get a whiff a scent of what’s happening & there just increase the rent & the prices. That’s why so many fail initially improvements had begun to take place only to be thwarted.

BurningBeard · Post by **BurningBeard** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:09 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:46 pm
Government & breweries onboard making this happen, it can easily happen, it’s double the off licences & supermarkets instead of quadruple plus, you sell more but at a lower price that’s the model it won’t happen because of greed but apart from that there’s no logical valid reason why people need to pay in excess of £2 for a pint of beer/ale/lager.

Sounds like communism to me.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:11 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:39 pm
There's not a chance pubs could sell pints at 2 quid with the current prices from breweries.

Wetherspoons can, even in London!

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:17 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:30 pm
At £2 a pint that’s easily achievable, no pub should ever be able to charge more than £2. Cost of production it’s Axminster carpets & crystal chandeliers still making plenty of profit.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to take over pubs after this lockdown.

Get yourself in one. See if your theory works?

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:04 pm

It won’t work it’ll never work

An afternoon in the life of Jakubclaret.

Terrier · Post by **Terrier** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:25 pm

Scarecrow
Bull and butcher
New albion
Gretna
Coal clough house
Griffin
Redhouse
Cricketers
Junction
Grey mare
Dugdale arms
Manor barn
Maltshovel
Derby( gannow top)
Mitre
Stork
Fleece
Alma
New inn
Peeps( shepherds arms)
General scarlet
Havalock
Bulls head
Waterloo
Hop
Borough

I drank mainly on accrington road in late 70s and 80s but this is just a round route of that area of town that you could drink in and i have not included padiham rd pubs that went due to the bypass from gannow top to mitre. All down now, some will not be missed but some were full of characters and were good places to visit.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:26 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:11 pm
Wetherspoons can, even in London!

Sam Smiths used to have loads of boozers in London and all were priced like the northern ones, not sure about now though.
Back to the Tim Bobbin, the original one in Milnrow is still there and they used to have a quality Sunday league team back in the day.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:32 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:11 pm
Wetherspoons can, even in London!

They have massive buying power and have a few loss leaders on.
There's not many decent beers for me in the cheap range, but they are popular.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:27 pm

Spoons might well be cheaper, but it’s certainly not £2 a pint in most of them inside the M25! Still reasonable though especially when everywhere else is £5 a pint.

Longsidelenny1882 · Post by **Longsidelenny1882** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:05 pm

I like the terrier thread good memories utc

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:24 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:41 am
Is the Kettledrum still going up Brunshaw way-not having lived in Burnley since 1962 I have no idea, but back then it was a good "hostelry"

Stan's local, I think. Lives just down the road.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:20 pm

A list of my favourite Burnley pubs (going back 45 years!)
Brickies (very friendly both sides of the bar)
Park View (best juke box in Burnley)
Hop (Pat Carter great DJ)
Falcon (a bit of quality in the town centre)
Waggoners (excellent real ale)
Kettledrum (excellent real ale and Roy was a good landlord imho)
Crooked Billet (best designed traditional horseshoe bar in the UK?)
Inn on the Wharf (Fantastic location and Hardy and Hansons best bitter)
Talbot (live music)
Ministry (bit scruffy but possibly the best real ale in Burnley)
Tim Bobbin (cheap beer, friendly locals and bar staff)
Bridge (good beer and good atmosphere)

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:49 pm

Mala591 wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:20 pm
A list of my favourite Burnley pubs (going back 45 years!)
Brickies (very friendly both sides of the bar)
Park View (best juke box in Burnley)
Hop (Pat Carter great DJ)
Falcon (a bit of quality in the town centre)
Waggoners (excellent real ale)
Kettledrum (excellent real ale and Roy was a good landlord imho)
Crooked Billet (best designed traditional horseshoe bar in the UK?)
Inn on the Wharf (Fantastic location and Hardy and Hansons best bitter)
Talbot (live music)
Ministry (bit scruffy but possibly the best real ale in Burnley)
Tim Bobbin (cheap beer, friendly locals and bar staff)
Bridge (good beer and good atmosphere)

Am I right in saying that only 4 survive (as pubs)?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:44 am

Five, I think, if you count the 'new' in New Waggoners.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:56 am

Terrier wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:25 pm
Scarecrow
Bull and butcher
New albion
Gretna
Coal clough house
Griffin
Redhouse
Cricketers
Junction
Grey mare
Dugdale arms
Manor barn
Maltshovel
Derby( gannow top)
Mitre
Stork
Fleece
Alma
New inn
Peeps( shepherds arms)
General scarlet
Havalock
Bulls head
Waterloo
Hop
Borough

I drank mainly on accrington road in late 70s and 80s but this is just a round route of that area of town that you could drink in and i have not included padiham rd pubs that went due to the bypass from gannow top to mitre. All down now, some will not be missed but some were full of characters and were good places to visit.

Black bull
Pleasant home and pride
Wheatsheef
Ministry of ale
Brickies
Foresters
Sparrow Hawk
White Hart
Le plane tree

Sun Inn?
Marsden cross
General Gordon
Duke of York
Old Duke

These arent on your list, ive drank in most if not all of them, and I bet I've missed some too

A.Claret.Fan · Post by **A.Claret.Fan** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:19 am

Reedley Hallows

A.Claret.Fan · Post by **A.Claret.Fan** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:20 am

Wigglesworth Arms, my first <16 purchase after watching Saturday Night Fever at the cinema next door. :-/

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:30 am

A.Claret.Fan wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:19 am
Reedley Hallows

Cant believe I forgot that, I worked there for 5 years and was my local ha ha

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:01 am

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:44 am
Five, I think, if you count the 'new' in New Waggoners.

Well, that was why I added "as a pub". I wouldn't personally categorise it as a pub even though it's licensed premises.
(Not something I would argue about though)

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:21 am

Here's a list of Burnley pubs that have closed - albeit some of them years ago. It's supposed to be updated, but there are some notable absentees from the list.
Quickly skimming down the list I think there are 126 pubs on the list.
https://www.closedpubs.co.uk/lancashire/burnley.html

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:30 am

This thread should be named

I went to an ale house I used to frequent

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:34 am

A.Claret.Fan wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:20 am
Wigglesworth Arms, my first <16 purchase after watching Saturday Night Fever at the cinema next door. :-/

Oppo the junction in brierfield?
Always got in the junction when I was 16 but never the Wigg