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Owt for nowt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:07 pm

Not seen this elsewhere. But disappointing to read these comments. Is the manager trying to engineer his own exit? Really don’t understand why when we are so big on unity team spirt etc these comments are being made.

It’s not like Wood. Vydra. Gibson. Jay. Brownhill. Hendrick et all came cheap. Or that Hart. Lennon. Barton. Defour will have been on peanuts.

I love Dyche. He’s done a great job. But this is as disappointing as his pre city comments.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:10 pm

Seems like an unnecessarily snide comment.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:12 pm

If it clicks Garlick into gear with some Transfer funds...long may the "snide" Dyche comments continue

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Dyched » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:14 pm

He’s a very odd chap.

His best signings have all been on the cheap.

Then his record signing isn’t even here. Why? His attitude, something that Dyche goes into so much detail on apparently. It also why we don’t use the foreign market.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:15 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:10 pm
Seems like an unnecessarily snide comment.
Completely.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:15 pm

He is behaving badly with the media and becoming an embarrassment if this story is true. He knows our lack of financial clout, was for a time signed up to it but now he seems determined to air his dirty washing in public which could back fire on new signings in so far it looks as if he wants out, so why would a player come here believing the manager is off as soon as possible.
Sean put up or shut up-good as you have been for the club and you have delivered an amazing 5 year stay in this league you need to leave now, if that is your intent, and give us time to appoint and get what signings the new man wants. Don't do a Coyle and leave us with little time to get ourselves sorted.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:16 pm

What sort of message is it sending out to our current players and any targets we have?

All seems totally unnecessary.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:16 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:12 pm
If it clicks Garlick into gear with some Transfer funds...long may the "snide" Dyche comments continue
Not sure we should be letting Dyche dictate club finances tbh. He's thinking very short term now, as in 12-18 months. The chairman has to think long term.

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:16 pm

Made me laugh ... and while people might choose to snub him for it I don't think he was misrepresenting us.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:17 pm

Imagine being paid £3.5million a year and accusing your employer of doing everything on the cheap
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:17 pm

He's not wrong though is he?

We still have Mr Garlick in charge, first and foremost he is a business man, who's ( like 99% of people) first priority is making sure themselves are looked after and ok.

But it's been like that for the last number of years now, nothing surprises you when you hear or see how tight the club as a whole is, and it's the man at the top who's installed it.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by The Enclosure » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 pm

If he is engineering a move then fine he can go with my best wishes for giving us a fantastic 7 or 8 years.However, the worry will be if he cherry picks our best players to take with him.
Ps...Dont believe everything you read in the media though.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:16 pm
Not sure we should be letting Dyche dictate club finances tbh. He's thinking very short term now, as in 12-18 months. The chairman has to think long term.
Without Dyche....we are nothing, be careful what you wish for.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:23 pm

He has, and is doing, the job that he is paid for and has done it very well. He has used the resources available to him to the best of his and their ability and he has done it for 8 years so he has earned his corn.
Why should he not say what he thinks, he is a football manager and, in that fickle world, he knows that he could be gone tomorrow at the whim of the board. He has said what he wants to say, if the board take exception to that, then it is up to them to do something about it.

In the world of football ---que sera, sera and life goes on. Managers, players and staff are employed by the Club to do a job whereas we fans have the choice whether or not we wish to attend matches and support the Club but our jobs are not on the line.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Dyched » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:23 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 pm
Without Dyche....we are nothing, be careful what you wish for.
That’s just ********.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:24 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 pm
Without Dyche....we are nothing, be careful what you wish for.
I agree Steve but the end will come sooner or later and if those quotes are what he is saying, the sooner the better for all concerned. A rotten apple in the barrel can pretty soon rot the lot.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:25 pm

Dyched wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:23 pm
That’s just ********.
It might be....time will tell,get back to me when it happens,I dont think it will be that far off.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:28 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:17 pm
We still have Mr Garlick in charge, first and foremost he is a business man, who's ( like 99% of people) first priority is making sure themselves are looked after and ok.
Mr Garlick, who doesn’t take anything from the club, his first priority is making sure he is looked after? Really?
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by taio » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:29 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:17 pm
He's not wrong though is he?

We still have Mr Garlick in charge, first and foremost he is a business man, who's ( like 99% of people) first priority is making sure themselves are looked after and ok.

But it's been like that for the last number of years now, nothing surprises you when you hear or see how tight the club as a whole is, and it's the man at the top who's installed it.
To be blunt, that is utter b0llocks.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:29 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:17 pm
He's not wrong though is he?

We still have Mr Garlick in charge, first and foremost he is a business man, who's ( like 99% of people) first priority is making sure themselves are looked after and ok.

But it's been like that for the last number of years now, nothing surprises you when you hear or see how tight the club as a whole is, and it's the man at the top who's installed it.
Businessmen will always put the business first. Garlick and John B have invested plenty to be fair.

Not putting the business first will mean it will likely fail.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:30 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 pm
Without Dyche....we are nothing, be careful what you wish for.
This club is far bigger than any individual associated with it. From Dyche to the board to any of the first eleven.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:31 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 pm
Without Dyche....we are nothing, be careful what you wish for.
I agree with you. There's not many others would keep this squad in the premier league for too long, and having to work miracles year on year.

I heard something the other day, and I'm not sure how true it is, but it said Mr Dyche had a NET spend of 55m during his 8 years here... 55m... 7m a season.... for a premier league club... that's impressive, I'm not sure there's many if any out there what could do the same.

It will end soon, and I'd say that wont be too long after Mr Dyche leaves.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:23 pm
He has, and is doing, the job that he is paid for and has done it very well. He has used the resources available to him to the best of his and their ability and he has done it for 8 years so he has earned his corn.
Why should he not say what he thinks, he is a manager and, in that fickle world, he knows that he could be gone tomorrow at the whim of the board. He has said what he wants to say, if the board take exception to that, then it is up to them to do something about it.

In the world of ---que sera, sera and life goes on. Managers, players and staff are employed by the Club to do a job whereas we fans have the choice whether or not we wish to attend matches and support the Club but our jobs are not on the line.
I really do not think that is the way to behave and for me he is starting to lose my respect because basically he is mocking the efforts of those who run BFC and it will also antagonise some fans against the men who have helped to pull this club out of the doldrums and before I get slated for ignoring SD's contribution- I do acknowledge it has been vast. But he needs to reprise what he apparently tells his players. Something to the effect -Look in your passport-it says Professional Footballer, not just Footballer-so be professional. I can only assume his passport says Football Manager because he is being far from professional now.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:28 pm
Mr Garlick, who doesn’t take anything from the club, his first priority is making sure he is looked after? Really?
He's frozen his own season ticket for how many years on the trott now?

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33 pm

For all the praise Dyche has rightly earned since the restart, he should be thoroughly embarrassed by these disrespectful comments and he should be given a bollocking by his superiors at the club.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:34 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33 pm
He's frozen his own season ticket for how many years on the trott now?
I don’t know what you’re on about. And to be honest neither do you.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:35 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:16 pm
Not sure we should be letting Dyche dictate club finances tbh. He's thinking very short term now, as in 12-18 months. The chairman has to think long term.
It’s due to his long-term thinking that we now have top class facilities and a Cat 1 academy capable of producing first team footballers. Who can blame him if, having delivered “champagne on beer money” for the last five years, he wants a bit more help in the here and now?

What paper is that from anyway? I haven’t seen or heard his presser first hand, but all I’ve seen quoted by other sources is the first line of that. Can’t believe, if he did say all that, it wouldn’t have been reported more widely.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:36 pm

Cant ever see a Laws type replacement going to Anfield and getting a result can you,it will all end in tears pretty quickly should Dyche be frozen out at a club he has done so much good for.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:36 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:29 pm
To be blunt, that is utter b0llocks.
We all have our own opinions on Mr Garlick, you have yours , I have mine.

Like most things one will be wrong, one will be right.
But I dont gloat when correct.

Just hope you're the one gloating in a few seasons, and are reminding me weekly of Mr Garlicks great work with our new manager.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:37 pm

Well it will be a quick locking and delete of this thread if the original is fake news. :oops: :oops:

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by scouseclaret » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:28 pm
Mr Garlick, who doesn’t take anything from the club
Really? Are you certain about that?

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by taio » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:36 pm
We all have our own opinions on Mr Garlick, you have yours , I have mine.

Like most things one will be wrong, one will be right.
But I dont gloat when correct.

Just hope you're the one gloating in a few seasons, and are reminding me weekly of Mr Garlicks great work with our new manager.
To be blunt, that's utter b0llocks too.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:36 pm
Cant ever see a Laws type replacement going to Anfield and getting a result can you,it will all end in tears pretty quickly should Dyche be frozen out at a club he has done so much good for.
Shame he seems determined to be so disrespectful to the club who has rewarded him to handsomely.

Make no mistake, our success with him has been because both sides have worked equally well together. He’s starting to believe his own hype and that never ends well.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:40 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:34 pm
I don’t know what you’re on about. And to be honest neither do you.
You said he takes nothing from the club.
I'm agreeing, he's even frozen his own season ticket, and probably pays more for his twix than we do.

It's quite obvious Mr Garlick is very frivolous with his own and clubs cash. Any talk of him being tight are wide of the mark. Mr Dychr Is obviously telling fibs.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:40 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 pm
Really? Are you certain about that?
I’m not certain about it because I don’t study the club accounts. But I’m pretty sure that he doesn’t take a salary or dividend.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by taio » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:42 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33 pm
For all the praise Dyche has rightly earned since the restart, he should be thoroughly embarrassed by these disrespectful comments and he should be given a bollocking by his superiors at the club.
This is spot on. Dyche has been brilliant and it will be a sad day when he leaves and when he does there's a very good chance we will decline. But the Board has been very good too and Dyche needs to be told to pipe down.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:43 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 pm
To be blunt, that's utter b0llocks too.
Which bit?

So you dont have an opinion on Mr Garlick?

When 2 people have opposite opinions one is usually right the other wrong,

Or

Or I dont gloat and I hope you're reminding me every week in a few seasons how wrong I was?

Did you bother reading the post, or do you only know a dozen words and struggle to debate without swearing?

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:46 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:16 pm
What sort of message is it sending out to our current players and any targets we have?
Calm down. It's sending out a message that we won't pay over the odds to clubs and agents. Coronavirus is a bit of a game changer and many clubs and agents are in for a rude awakening with regards to transfers and fees. The market has had a sudden reset for the vast majority of clubs.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by taio » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:48 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:43 pm
Which bit?

So you dont have an opinion on Mr Garlick?

When 2 people have opposite opinions one is usually right the other wrong,

Or

Or I dont gloat and I hope you're reminding me every week in a few seasons how wrong I was?

Did you bother reading the post, or do you only know a dozen words and struggle to debate without swearing?
I regularly debate on here but sometimes it's just not worth it because of what is being said which is the case with you here. To be clear I'm disputing your clear inference that Garlick's only interested in himself.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by clansman » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:48 pm

It was a joke taken completely out of context. No story , move on!
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:48 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:46 pm
Calm down. It's sending out a message that we won't pay over the odds to clubs and agents. Coronavirus is a bit of a game changer and many clubs and agents are in for a rude awakening with regards to transfers and fees. The market has had a sudden reset for the vast majority of clubs.
Absolutely. And that should also include managers with unrealistic expectations about budgets.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by JohnMac » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:48 pm

You do know he has a keen sense of humour?
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by No Ney Never » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:50 pm

The underlying message being put out there via the media is working a treat.
Clubs; Don't ask silly money for players, we won't pay it. If you want to sell us a player, be realistic.
Agents; Don't make silly wage demands, we won't pay it. If your player is going to sign for us, be realistic.
What a fantastic double act these two are becoming, even convincing our own fans.
These two know how to prep the market we're going to be working this summer.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:50 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:40 pm
I’m not certain about it because I don’t study the club accounts. But I’m pretty sure that he doesn’t take a salary or dividend.
He most certainly does not, nor do any of the other six directors.

In fact, on the contrary, when the club were desperate for finance just a few seasons ago they were first to put their hand in their pocket.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:52 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:50 pm
He most certainly does not, nor do any of the other six directors.

In fact, on the contrary, when the club were desperate for finance just a few seasons ago they were first to put their hand in their pocket.
Absolutely. We have a lot to be thankful for of our board.

They get things wrong for sure. Who doesn’t? But look at the state of the club now. It’s in brilliant shape thanks to the efforts of all concerned.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by No Ney Never » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:54 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:46 pm
Calm down. It's sending out a message that we won't pay over the odds to clubs and agents. Coronavirus is a bit of a game changer and many clubs and agents are in for a rude awakening with regards to transfers and fees. The market has had a sudden reset for the vast majority of clubs.
You must have posted as I was typing. I too think this is what's going on with these media comments.
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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:56 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:50 pm
He most certainly does not, nor do any of the other six directors.

In fact, on the contrary, when the club were desperate for finance just a few seasons ago they were first to put their hand in their pocket.
Classic self-interested Garlick.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:56 pm

No Ney Never wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:54 pm
You must have posted as I was typing. I too think this is what's going on with these media comments.
I'm glad you agree. The overreaction on here to those comments is embarrassing. Got to be some of the worst snowflakery I've seen in a long while.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:58 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:48 pm
I regularly debate on here but sometimes it's just not worth it because of what is being said which is the case with you here. To be clear I'm disputing your clear inference that Garlick's only interested in himself.
I often take that stance with several posters too, so I know what you're saying.

However there's only 1 reason a businessman wants to keep regularly posting large profits...
Who wouldn't want to double their own worth should they be able to?

Especially with all this covid nonsense, might be good to have an extra let's say 50m in your bank.

But thsts a debate for another thread and for when it actually happens.

No one is ever always right, but some people have a knack at looking at the facts and having an educated guess at the outcome of a situation.

You know, like those who guessed how the outcome of the signings of Wells and Walters would end, or when we activated the Defour extension etc.
I tipped my cap to those that called it years in advance, they were spot on.

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Re: Owt for nowt

Post by MACCA » Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:00 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:50 pm
He most certainly does not, nor do any of the other six directors.

In fact, on the contrary, when the club were desperate for finance just a few seasons ago they were first to put their hand in their pocket.
Like proper supporters, it's good to have proper supporters running the club, who only have it's best interests at heart.

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