Red cards

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:30 pm

The games gone soft. Both yellow At best.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:32 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:30 pm
The games gone soft. Both yellow At best.

Correct, perhaps 30 years ago

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:33 pm

Utter b*ll*cks.

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:33 pm

An elbow to the head is a yellow card?
Are you sure?

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:34 pm

Both red in my opinion,thought Westwood made a meal of it though.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:34 pm

Both definitely reds I’ve just watched it

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:34 pm

Bait cast by the usual suspect.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:34 pm

Why not grab a few tinnies, round up the lads and head down on the train to the FA headquarters to sort them out?

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:34 pm

Its July 2020 and you have ONLY JUST REALISED "the games gone soft" where have you been for the last 15 years ?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pm

The second one, he jumped in two footed but pulled out, the first looks worse in slow motion, both harsh IMO.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pm

Westwood made the most of it. Not burnley like. I’m a bit embarrassed

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pm

conyoviejo wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:34 pm
Both red in my opinion,thought Westwood made a meal of it though.

How has he made a meal of it ,whacked on the back of the head with an elbow

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:36 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pm
Westwood made the most of it. Not burnley like. I’m a bit embarrassed

You big baby.

What a fanny.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:36 pm

Both red.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:38 pm

Was Kevin the manager at Stamford Bridge last season

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:42 pm

Doubt on both reds. Not clear and obvious.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:42 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:36 pm
You big baby.

What a fanny.

He's not a fanny he's a pussy

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:54 pm

First one never a red, no need whatsoever for Westwood to go down like he'd been by Mike Tyson.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:02 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:42 pm
Doubt on both reds. Not clear and obvious.

Give it rest! You're not clever or funny!

Stproc · Post by **Stproc** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:04 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:42 pm
Doubt on both reds. Not clear and obvious.

Deliberate blow to the head with an arm is a red, even if Westwood went down ‘easy’.
The two footed off the ground lunge Is the definition of a red.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:06 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:30 pm
The games gone soft. Both yellow At best.

Well if you don't think either were red
You are definitely soft in the head
Never never were either a yellow
You really are a very sad fellow

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:28 pm

The ‘goes down easy’ i disagree with, an elbow in the back of the head actually hurts, probably more than the face (from experience)

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:30 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:06 pm
Well if you don't think either were red
You are definitely soft in the head
Never never were either a yellow
You really are a very sad fellow

talking about sad. How is the shirt and btw if you don't mind me saying you could do with going on a diet unless TV made you look a bit chubbier.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:32 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:30 pm
talking about sad. How is the shirt and btw if you don't mind me saying you could do with going on a diet unless TV made you look a bit chubbier.

spat my beer out then, was trying to work out what you meant

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:34 pm

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pm
The second one, he jumped in two footed but pulled out, the first looks worse in slow motion, both harsh IMO.

How can you pull out when you’re airborne?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:37 pm

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:30 pm
talking about sad. How is the shirt and btw if you don't mind me saying you could do with going on a diet unless TV made you look a bit chubbier.

Ooooh you are awful....

But I "don't" like you

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:38 pm

2nd one was 2 footed and they’re red end of . First was unlucky imo, Westwood instigated the fracas and the elbow wasn’t “ thrown “ AW then rolls round like he’d been shot

Middle-agedClaret · Post by **Middle-agedClaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:34 pm

I agree with AlargeClaret. I thought there was no doubt about the second. Westwood was pretty sly and deceitful for the first. IMHO only, of course.

bfcmatt · Post by **bfcmatt** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:37 pm

He clenched his fist and brought his elbow down, I really don't see where the confusion is. A definite red

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:54 pm

After the palace debacle maybe SD has said to the players it's what they need to do to actually get a decision. First one was borderline, but a red. My issue is with consistency how can the first one be given as a red but not the one at palace? What's the difference?

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:01 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:37 pm

Ooooh you are awful....

But I "don't" like you

Take no notice Boss, the shirt was.......well, they go down well on a cruise I have one similar

Flat Stanley · Post by **Flat Stanley** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:02 pm

Very little force in the elbow. In real time looked like nothing. Replay made it look far worse. Yellow would have been proportionate but by the letter of the law a red. Westwood made a meal of it and instigated the situation in the first place.

Second one probably a red but it seemed to me his foot bounced up off the ball and then he tried to pull his foot away. He bent his leg as he was sliding. A bit unfortunate but too much force with both feet so probably a red.

whentheballmoves · Post by **whentheballmoves** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:04 pm

Down_Rover wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:38 pm
Was Kevin the manager at Stamford Bridge last season

Do you mean two seasons ago, with the two reds? That was Craig Pawson.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:13 pm

Flat Stanley wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:02 pm
Second one probably a red but it seemed to me his foot bounced up off the ball and then he tried to pull his foot away. He bent his leg as he was sliding. A bit unfortunate but too much force with both feet so probably a red.

If you are two footed off the ground enough that your foot can bounce up off the ball then it is a straight red every time. Out of control is the definition of that movement. It doesn't have to be intentional or malicious, break a leg or even, theoretically at least, touch the opponent.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:17 pm

Aclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:01 pm
Take no notice Boss, the shirt was.......well, they go down well on a cruise I have one similar

I don't m8

was funny as ****... the soft lass thinks calling me a fat lad (I am and I couldn't give a sh*t) would upset me

..... now that was hilarious

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:30 pm

I didn’t actually think it was you mate apologies, I only read the early posts on that thread and presumed it was your mate on the wind up as usual.

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:36 pm

bfcmatt wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:37 pm
He clenched his fist and brought his elbow down, I really don't see where the confusion is. A definite red

In addition in Westwoods defence he was trying to stand up so the impact was amplified

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:39 pm

First one was very soft, although you can see why he gave it. The second was about as clear as you can get.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:42 pm

1st offence

Law states
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

Verdict red card offence.

Second challenge

Law states

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Verdict Red card

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:07 pm

When I read the topic of this thread I immediately thought of diamonds and hearts

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:11 pm

The game has gone soft unfortunately so by the letter of the law they’re both red cards.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:17 pm

The second one is a red in any league in the world.

100%

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:24 pm

Norwich Citys chief reporter thinks Westwood stood up and moved his head into Buendias elbow

To be fair he is getting told by his own fans on Twitter to change his specs.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:25 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:17 pm
The second one is a red in any league in the world.

100%

Correct hence why laws are set by ifab to use right across the globe. Consistency

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:29 pm

Middle-agedClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:34 pm
I agree with AlargeClaret. I thought there was no doubt about the second. Westwood was pretty sly and deceitful for the first. IMHO only, of course.

He made sure the ref and VAR at least looked at it. That is at most what he is guilty of. Buendia clearly makes contact with Westwoods head. It wasn't like some we often see where there is no contact and a player rolls around. It is a red whether Westwood reacts or not. There was clear intent in using the elbow and the force he used is irrelevant..he made contact.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:31 pm

Both were red cards, simples. Norwich were naive and frustrated.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:38 pm

Because of our reputation as a no-nonsense, physically strong side, I'm sure other teams think they have play like Burnley to match our physicality. This leads to our opponents trying to be too physical against us, not understanding that our physicality is related to hard work, strength and organisation.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:39 pm

First one a definite Red. He was very sly and deliberate and knew he had been caught out. I think Ash went down because the point of an elbow just behind the ear is a painful blow.

Second one was reckless and out of control and 3 Burnley players in different positions immediately remonstrating proves the point somewhat.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:01 am

A bit soft in normal circumstances, but the Premier League isn't normal.

Although any Argie deserves to be sent off, in my abnormal opinion.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:06 am

The first one was arguably soft. But if you intentionally elbow someone in the head you are asking for trouble, no matter how soft the contact was. I think Westwood’s reaction was OTT, but he’s probably realised by now that to get a decision like that you have to make a point to the referee. Every other team does it.

The second one was a clear red, can’t believe there can be an argument against it. The challenge was reckless, dangerous and out of control.